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My simple minded view of the 'Sabbath day'

Ge 5:29 And he called his name Noah (rest) , saying, This same shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the LORD hath cursed.

A picture of the rest we are commanded to enter into -

2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Mt*17:1 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart ...

Ex*20:9 Six days shalt thou labour (do the works of the Lord) , and do all thy work: (10) But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gate

Ge 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Eze*44:18 They shall have linen bonnets upon their heads, and shall have linen breeches upon their loins; they shall not gird themselves with any thing that causeth sweat .

Lu*22:44 And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat (the Ultimate Works of the Lord) was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.

Re*20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years (Sabbath) should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Re*20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years (Sabbath).

Hence - the commandment is to be With the Lord during the thousand years.
 
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GodsWatchman said:
My simple minded view of the 'Sabbath day'

Ge 5:29 And he called his name Noah (rest) , saying, This same shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the LORD hath cursed.

A picture of the rest we are commanded to enter into -

2Pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Mt*17:1 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart ...

Ex*20:9 Six days shalt thou labour (do the works of the Lord) , and do all thy work: (10) But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gate

Ge 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Eze*44:18 They shall have linen bonnets upon their heads, and shall have linen breeches upon their loins; they shall not gird themselves with any thing that causeth sweat .

Lu*22:44 And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat (the Ultimate Works of the Lord) was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.

Re*20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years (Sabbath) should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Re*20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years (Sabbath).

Hence - the commandment is to be With the Lord during the thousand years.
Hello Godswatchman

what day do you believe we should keep now? Are you saying you believe the millenium is the Sabbath rest to come?
yours in Christ
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Joh*19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

'finished' (Strongs) 5055. telew teleo tel-eh'-o
from 5056; to end, i.e. complete, execute, conclude, discharge (a debt):--accomplish, make an end, expire, fill up, finish, go over, pay, perform.


Heb*4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. 2*For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. 3*For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4*For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. 5*And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. 6*Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: 7*Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. 8*For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. 9*There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10*For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

Have you ceased from YOUR works and put on the works of the Lord? If so - then you have already entered the Rest/Sabbath.

Ro*14:5 One man esteems day more than day; another esteems every day [alike]. Let each be fully persuaded in his own mind. (6) He that regards the day, regards it to [the] Lord. And he that eats, eats to [the] Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he that does not eat, [it is] to [the] Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks.
 
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You have infered and added the word Sabbath when it is not there.

Re*20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years (Sabbath) should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
 
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GodsWatchman said:
Joh*19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

'finished' (Strongs) 5055. telew teleo tel-eh'-o
from 5056; to end, i.e. complete, execute, conclude, discharge (a debt):--accomplish, make an end, expire, fill up, finish, go over, pay, perform.


Heb*4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. 2*For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. 3*For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4*For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. 5*And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. 6*Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: 7*Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. 8*For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. 9*There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10*For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

Have you ceased from YOUR works and put on the works of the Lord? If so - then you have already entered the Rest/Sabbath.

Ro*14:5 One man esteems day more than day; another esteems every day [alike]. Let each be fully persuaded in his own mind. (6) He that regards the day, regards it to [the] Lord. And he that eats, eats to [the] Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he that does not eat, [it is] to [the] Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks.
Hello Godswatchman
The Problem is what was finished and what was not. Some Sunday Keepers believe that after the cross there are only 9 commandments. I disagree. There are still 10 commandments. The law of the letter did pass, and The law of Christ was ushered in.

It is clear from his teachings in Matthew 5 that this new law would contain the commandments. It would take along time to properly write out what this means to the Chriatian today, The old Testament required sacrifice, so does the New Testamant

1pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

The Old Testament required obediance to Gods will so does the New Testament.

Mt 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

At the cross the law actually went through a metamorphous. Which Included the fourth. The Sabbath plays a very important role in The Bible, For us I believe it is prophetic.

Now we need to discover how did it change and what does it mean to us today
Like brother Symes I disagree that the millenium is THE Sabbath, I would be more open
to thinking it is a type of Sabbath. But if I were to make a comparison I would say the Millennium is the preperation day for the true Sabbath to come.

I know there are people who interpret 2 Pet.3:8 literally.

2pe 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

And again I disagree. I beleive Peter was simply saying God is not limited by time.
John uses similar language Rev5:11

Re 5:11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;

We can see in Rev 21- 22 that the things man use's to measure time will no longer exist in the new Jerusalem.

Re 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

Re 21:25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.

Re 22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

The Question here is what is the proper day to gather together and worship God.
For we have been instructed to do so.

Heb 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

There are those who believe we must gather together on the Sabbath and those who believe we must gather together on Sunday. The part I disagree with is the word must.

I beleive we have the option under the Law of Christ.

Brother symes I have heard from John. He was put off this thread because he is an Arian believer. {for those who do not know an Arian is one who does not believe in the trinity doctrine} Very sad the way we judge our fellow man. He sent me a long letter on the tenents of his Faith and I saw nothing that would indicate that this man is not a true child of God. The Trinity is a difficult doctrine to understand even for us who do believe it.

yours in Christ
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I don't hold people to the trinity as a test of their salvation. Shame other do that.

I agree with most(99.9:)) of your post. My intent wasn't that the Sabbath was the millenium in the STRICKTEST terms either. Mearly that 7 days and 7000 years match up pretty darn good + Sabbath means rest + Jesus=Sabbath(ceasing from our works).

Everyday is the day we should gather together. Its only that most of us are kneeDeep in Egypt toiling that keeps us apart. It reminds me of Pharoah:

Ex*5:18 And now go--work! and straw shall not be given you, and ye shall deliver the measure of bricks.

Soon the Lord will deliver us from this into the Wilderness where we will be tried.
 
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GodsWatchman said:
I don't hold people to the trinity as a test of their salvation. Shame other do that.

I agree with most(99.9:)) of your post. My intent wasn't that the Sabbath was the millenium in the STRICKTEST terms either. Mearly that 7 days and 7000 years match up pretty darn good + Sabbath means rest + Jesus=Sabbath(ceasing from our works).

Everyday is the day we should gather together. Its only that most of us are kneeDeep in Egypt toiling that keeps us apart. It reminds me of Pharoah:

Ex*5:18 And now go--work! and straw shall not be given you, and ye shall deliver the measure of bricks.

Soon the Lord will deliver us from this into the Wilderness where we will be tried.
Hello Godswatchman

Amen to that brother.Maranantha
Yours in Christ
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Deu,
as I have already asked... please let me catch up, at least in anything with regards to the Sabbath/Sunday discussion. I work for Wal-Mart and as you might guess my time is limited during this month. It is very late and I got to go to work in the morning...but I have a moment before I crash, so I'll answer your question about William.

First and foremost, for why I did not reprove William with his Abraham animal sacrifices post. Actually, I did not see it. I may, when I have the time, backtrack to find it because if he thinks that we should still perform animal sacrifices then we have a lot less in common that what I thought. Secondly, in a subject such as this one has been I am prone to skip over anything not related to the subject(Sabbath/Sunday), especially it it was not aimed at me(was it?).

You clearly noticed that I quickly jumped to bat when he began posting that stuff about the "Lady's day", it was pertaining to the subject and even though he is a fellow Sabbatarian....I call it like I see it.

Unfortunately, it forced me to break out my Rocky and Bullwinkle secret decoder ring...;).(Like I said, your funny when you want to be. I laughed out loud when I read that.) It would not have hurt my position at all if that translation were the actually the case, but I don't need help if it isn't accurate. The Bible should prove my assertions correct, without me trying to dismiss the phrase "the Lord's day".

Thank you for the comments on my intelligence(questionable as it may be), and studious(I'll graciously accept that one since Bible study is a bit of an obsession with me.).

I did not graduate from High School, and didn't pick up a Bible or ever attend church until 5 yrs ago(I'm 36). I will say that my reading comprehension and retention was tested in the top 99 percentile of the country, so that may give the appearance of intelligence. I would like to think that the Holy Spirit and my lack of preconceived beliefs led me to superior doctrinal understanding, but that would be not telling the whole story in light of my natural reading abilities.

I hope that answers your questions and gives you a little more insight into who I am.

(BTW... I said YOU ARE 17 years my senior...I think you may have misunderstood me.)
 
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Morning or is it goodnight?

it is 2 in the after noon my time in the Phil. My decoder ring comment was really meant for william. I did not graduate highschool either so we have Something else in common. I to also have been blessed with a talent for reading and comprehesion. Not as high as yours but still fairly high.

I have been seriously studying since 1995. after marrying my wife I almost became an Adventist myself. I really did not know that much about the bible
then. after starting my study I came to the Conclusion That adventism was in error. I should clarify all religion has some kind of error I just believe Adventism is farther away than alot of others.



The animal thing was aimed at me and easy to miss. He mentioned it in passing in one his posts. Ill dig it up and post it again.

Do not think I expect you to answer in detail within 5 minuets to everything I post. To me discovering truth is more important that proving a point.

Let us use our talents for the Glory of God and not the Glory of self
Being a seaman I understand the word tired. Right now I am on vacation so I have lots of time to play around here. But when I am on the ship its 24/7
for four and half months.

I must have misread the senior thing. Being older does not equate to being smarter.There are allkinds of stupid old people running around.

yours in Christ
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Found it page 11 post 105 last paragraph he says,

You see deu, you have ben taught that most if not all of the Old is gone and so you read it in such a manner. I read it as if we are to walk like Abraham, therefore I still sacrifice. Try this shoe on for size, there ain’t nothing new under the Son. What Messiah did, we have to do, what Abraham did we have to emulate. Did Yahoshua get circumcised? Did He eat kosher? Did He obey the Sabbath? Did he sacrifice a lamb for the Passover? Etc etc. Answer to all, YES. Now He tells us to follow His lead, so what does that say to you. Please interpret for me, “follow me”.
William


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If you can still view this I have been trying to contact you at the address you gave me. I have sent you both my addresses but my hotmail account has been down all day. My private message box claims there are 5 messages but I only can find two. I mailed you off line at the youth address you gave me sending you my aol address. I also answered one of your posts from the private message page and it did go out. I have not recieved any return mail so it went somewhere.
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Isaiah 66:22,23
"As the new heavens and the new earth that I make will endure before me," declares the LORD , "so will your name and descendants endure. 23 From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come and bow down before me," says the LORD"

God told His people to keep the seventh day Sabbath in ancient times. I do not think that anyone would disagree with that. According to the above verses it would also indicate that God's people will keep the Sabbath in the new earth. Does it make sense then for God to have His people today keeping the first day of the week? Isaiah new what he meant when he wrote the above text, he meant the Sabbath to be the seventh day Sabbath. That was the only Sabbath Isaiah new. Thaat being the case why would one now want to keep Sunday as the Sabbath. God said He is the same yesterday, today, and forever. He cannot change.

It does not say that we will cometogether every day but only on the Sabbath. Every day is not a Sabbath.

deu58
Thanks for your note about John.
 
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Much of the New Testament is directly quoted from the Old. What you say does not make null and void the Law of God. Do you want to do away with just the fourth commandment and keep the other nine or do you want to do away with the ten? Why pick on the fourth commandment when that is the only one of the ten that God told us to "Remember"
 
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Symes said:
Isaiah 66:22,23
"As the new heavens and the new earth that I make will endure before me," declares the LORD , "so will your name and descendants endure. 23 From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come and bow down before me," says the LORD"

God told His people to keep the seventh day Sabbath in ancient times. I do not think that anyone would disagree with that. According to the above verses it would also indicate that God's people will keep the Sabbath in the new earth. Does it make sense then for God to have His people today keeping the first day of the week? Isaiah new what he meant when he wrote the above text, he meant the Sabbath to be the seventh day Sabbath. That was the only Sabbath Isaiah new. Thaat being the case why would one now want to keep Sunday as the Sabbath. God said He is the same yesterday, today, and forever. He cannot change.

It does not say that we will cometogether every day but only on the Sabbath. Every day is not a Sabbath.

deu58
Thanks for your note about John.
Hello symes
Actually if you take a look at the wording is 66:23,

Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

It indicates this does not mean a space of time between these days but shows a preiod of time with out end or in other words an eternal sabbath. Rev 21 and 22 show us that in the new Jerusalem there is neither night nor day so most of us who do not hold the Saturday Sabbath consider this verse to be a promise of the rest to come in new Jerusalem. We also believe Hebrews 3:7 to 4:11 to be a promise of the rest to come Inferred to by Is66:23 whereas somehow Adventists have come to the conclusion that both reffer to a 24 hour 7day Sabbath

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Deu,
notice the context of Galatians….
Galatians is an example of justification by grace, through faith. It was given to discount the wrongful teachings of those who thought that they must scrupulously keep the Jewish law to be saved. It should also be noted, that Galatians is imperative to the gospel of grace. The first two chapters (Gal.1&2) defended grace…. the next two(Gal.3&4) explained grace….the last two (Gal. 5&6) applied grace.

This is the text that you quote, which you deem to be evidence that the Seventh day Sabbath as no longer relevant…

“Gal. 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? 10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years

In context of the chapter and whole book of Galatians, this is not at all such evidence.

Notice, this is very similar in context with Col. 2, which we will go into later. But, don’t miss what Paul is expressing in both areas…“the weak and beggarly elements” are not anything which God has put forth in His commands…it is those imposed by men, also called “rudiments of the world” (Col. 2:8,20). Did you know that these words “elements” and “rudiments” are the same thing (Strongs #4747)? Is God’s commands worldly or are they spiritual? The word “observe” is also a bit misleading…it is seemingly casual, but that is not the case. Instead it applies, especially considering the context of worldly elements keeping us in bondage, to a very careful and legalistic observance.

From Strongs:

#3906 paratereo

AV-watched 4, observe 1, watched + 2258 1; 6

1) to stand beside and watch, to watch assiduously, observe carefully

1a) to watch, attend to with the eyes

1a) of auguries, to see what he is going to do

1b) in a bad sense, to watch insidiously

1c) to watch one’s self

1b) to observe, keep scrupulously

1b1) to neglect nothing requisite to the religious observance of





Man sought to impose his own weak and worldly ideas upon God’s precepts. They were meticulous in nature and left no room for liberty, as given by grace, led by the Spirit and exampled in Christ. They were not God’s laws or ideas…they were impossible to keep while retaining God’s spiritual intent and a burden which Christ removed. We see in Christ’ own examples that he publicly disobeyed mans laws, especially their laws in regards to the Sabbath.

Acts 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

The Mishnah, (Jewish book of law written to explain their concepts of how God‘s laws should be upheld), was never authorized by God. It was the laws found in this book that they accused Christ of breaking, not the Laws in the Torah. They had given equal significance with their words, with that of God’s. Christ consistently challenged their laws through his actions and words.

Ishmael and Isaac represent the two covenants, which Paul uses in this chapter to symbolically portray what he was trying to say.

Gal. 4:22-25 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a free-woman. But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

Paul employs Isaac and Ishmael, the sons of Abraham, as representing the Old and New Covenants. Thus, clearly showing that Hagar's son, Ishmael, symbolizes the Old Covenant, and Sarah's son, Isaac, is an example of the New Covenant.

Gal. 4:28-31 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. ... So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

The Lord promised Abraham a son from his wife Sarah, yet she was almost 90 yrs old, so neither of them thought it was possible. Knowing that her womb was barren and that she was to old to bear children, she suggested that her husband take Hagar, her handmaid, and have a child through her. They apparently believed it was the only way to save God from an impossible promise. After time, Abraham succumbed to the idea and conceived a child through Hagar.

This is a precise example of the Old Covenant thinking that Paul is condemning, Abraham tried to solve this with his flesh, according to his ideas and justification. His plan failed, just like the Old Covenant promises failed, because he had not relied on God’s power and instruction.And, of course the Lord never recognized Ishmael as the promised seed.

Heb. 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Yet, the miracle occurred and Isaac was born. The Lord actually created a new life out of a physically dead womb. The biological obstacles ceded to the divine, creative power of the Lord.Isaac thus typifies the foundation of the New Covenant relationship of regeneration, and the re-born experience of the believer. The natural, physical womb of Sarah was completely unable of bearing fruit. By the same manner, the natural, carnal body and mind cannot produce the fruit of obedience, such would be deemed, “dead works”.

Heb. 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

Heb. 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

Rom. 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Paul was simply trying to eradicate a behavior that had crept into the early church. This behavior had two sides, following the laws of man and the belief that works justified your faith, instead of the other way around. Both put faith in man’s ability and instruction over that of God’s.

When God used His power to create a new life within Sarah, the impossible happened, and she produced a son. When God uses His power to create new life in the soul, the impossible happens again - a human being becomes spiritual and obedient.

Isaac was not "born after the flesh," but "after the Spirit." Gal. 4:29. Because man is carnal and "weak in the flesh," he has no power to attain to the righteousness of the law. He, too, must be born after the Spirit. Every attempt to obey on the Old-Covenant basis of human effort will produce only children of bondage. The law must be written into the heart by the Holy Spirit and fulfilled by "Christ in you."

This allegory of Hagar and Sarah clears up another very important point of truth. Those who are under the Old Covenant are the commandment breakers, and those under the New Covenant are the commandment keepers. It was only when Abraham disobeyed God by taking Hagar that he fulfilled the principle of the Old Covenant. When he trusted God to give him a son through Sarah, he was being obedient to God's will, and properly represents the New-Covenant Christians. Yet we often see modern interpretations get these facts confused. The truth is exactly the opposite. The law is not really kept until it is written on the heart of the transformed believer. Then it becomes the mark of identification - the love symbol - for those who are born of the Spirit. Jesus said, "If ye love me, keep my commandments.", John 14:15. John wrote, "For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments.", 1John 5:3.

The context of this chapter does not relieve man of the Lord's command of Sabbath keeping. Quite the contrary, it enforces it. It does however dismiss any manner of mans choosing to keep it any way he sees fit. It also clearly informs us that the keeping of the Sabbath is to be performed out of faith and not obligation.

Your ideas on keeping the commands according to your views or those that are taught by men, are expressly forbidden by this chapters teaching. And, it has strengthened my position while totally making void yours.
 
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Much of the New Testament is directly quoted from the Old. What you say does not make null and void the Law of God. Do you want to do away with just the fourth commandment and keep the other nine or do you want to do away with the ten? Why pick on the fourth commandment when that is the only one of the ten that God told us to "Remember"

No Law of God is Ever done away with. Only that you choose to interpret in the flesh - while I chose to interpret in the Spirit.

Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship in spirit and truth.

Rom 8:6*For the mind of the flesh is death; but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace: 7*because the mind of the flesh is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can it be: 8*and they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

1Co 2:14*Now the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him; and he cannot know them, because they are spiritually judged.
 
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Symes said:

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Well I am not tricky and I am a man.
hello again symes

When I signed in this morning I had a couple of letters from john and he told me he was mistaken that you are a man. Darn that John. So now I find myself apologising again. Sorry for all the confusion. are you talking to John off site to. If not do you want to?
yours in Christ
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