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Understanding The Dispensations

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Perhaps some sincere seekers will appreciate this overview of the study known as the Dispensations. I realize that some professing Christians do not accept this, but I believe it is there in the Word for the saints who can discern it.

- 1 Watchman

The dispensations

[In "rightly dividing the Word of truth" (II Tim.2:15), we can see how God has worked through periods of time to test man under different conditions to prove his heart. Man needed these trials to learn his wretched condition; and the heavenly host should see the mercies and longsuffering of God to sinful mankind, tried incrementally under blessing and privilege to no profit. It is simply amazing to behold.
- R. L. DeWitt, 6/01; rev. 11/06]

Out of the endless reaches of eternity God spoke a world into existence. This was the beginning of time, and God divided time concerning man into seven periods called dispensations (administrations), or ages, or days. It is important to know this to understand the Holy Scriptures. The days of man are numbered from about 4,000 B.C., according to the historian, Ussher.

The Bible is concerned with man, and the dispensations we find are all periods of God's testing of man, for he was created a living and everlasting soul with a free-will, then he fell in sin. Five periods have passed showing man's rebellion in each and God's judgment. We are now living in the sixth dispensation, near to the end. The Word of God teaches it will also end in man's failure and God's judgment, but as in every age God has provided salvation and hope for sinful man. One should be sure, therefore, that his or her soul is saved while there is yet time.

From the beginning God spoke of His Son, who would come to provide redemption for fallen man and reign over the world. In the Old Testament of the Bible the animal sacrifices were required for a covering of sin before God, and all pointed forward to the sacrifice God's Son would make one day to remove the condemnation, and reconcile "whosoever will" (John 3:16; Heb.1:1-3; Rev.22:17). When He came the first time it was in meekness "as a Lamb" (John 1:29, 36), and He was rejected, hated, and crucified. God allowed it to provide redemption through His death for sin, and His blood shed for cleansing (Lev.17:11; Heb.9); but when He comes again it will be "as the Lion", and He will not seek acceptance.

When the church (the ecclesia---meaning "called out assembly of God") is taken to heaven, God's wrath will then be poured out on this world such as never before. The door of grace will be closed. Prophetically, that could happen today, because all that is foretold to happen prior to that time has occurred.

The seventh and final period of God's administration is yet to come, which is the millenium, or one thousand year reign of God's Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, over the earth. At the close of that perfect and peaceful time man will yet rebel against God, and there will be a final judgment. Then time is no longer. The testing will end and eternity is before us. Righteousness and love shall prevail.

It would be helpful to look more closely at the dispensations to see God's work among men. Here are some of the verses marking the dispensations and showing in brief God's testing, man's failure, the grace of God, and judgment:

1. INNOCENCE: Gen.1:2-31; Gen.2:16-17; Gen.3:22-24. Under a trial regarding sin in the state of innocence, man proved his heart was not devoted to God; and he reasoned in his mind with Satan, the tempter, and lost. He fell in sin and his nature was corrupted. This disobedience brought righteous judgment from a just and Holy God, who cannot overlook sin, but who as a loving God could care for his own. Man was expelled from the garden at Eden to protect him from more severe consequences, and allow him to live by his own wit, as he chose.

2. CONSCIENCE: Gen.4 & 5; Gen.6:5,11,12; Gen.7:23. Disobedience again showed itself, as man forgot God and began to live for his fleshly pleasures. His sin became so bad that God destroyed creation with a flood about 2300 B.C., but spared eight souls (Heb.11:7). It is important to understand that God would have been completely justified to destroy all, for all were sinners, but one man in his humility found grace in the sight of God. It was still the purpose of God to have faithful children to love (John 4:23-24).


3. GOVERNMENT: Gen.8:18; Gen.9:1-2 Gen.11:1-9. Man set forth to organize and build up his own way without God, and so God gave them languages and scattered them to put a difference between men (I Cor.11:19).

4. PROMISE: Gen.12:1-3; Ex.1:13-14. The covenant of promise from God to a people that followed, was not esteemed, and man began to supplant and scheme, so God let these chosen people endure bondage for a time.

5. LAW: Ex.19:8; II Kings 17:20; II Kings 25:21; Isa.11:12. After God delivered this people of Israel from bondage He told them He would make them a kingdom of priests if they worshipped and followed Him (I Sam.8:7; I Sam. 12:13-19). They rather chose to have a king and live under law, but failed in that and even set up graven images to worship, so God delivered them into captivity until a day to come, when they shall be restored as a nation (Rom.10:21; Rom.11).

6. GRACE: Matt.1:18-23; Matt.27:50-54; John 20; Acts 1:10-11; Eph.3:1-7; I Thess.4:16-17; Matt.24; Rev.6. God sent forth "His only begotten Son", and when Israel rejected Him, He rent the "vail of the temple", and opened a day of grace to all men. Today man is still rejecting the grace of God, and this age will end in a period of great tribulation for the world, after the Lord calls His bride (the church) home to Himself.

7. KINGDOM: Isa.32:1; Matt.24:27-31; Matt.25:31; Rev.19:11-21; Rev.20:1-6; Rev.20:7-15. When the seven years of tribulation ends, Christ will return to take His rightful place as "King of kings", and reign. He will not then look to man to receive Him. The Word of God says "every knee shall bow". After this perfect time of one thousand years (the millennium), with Satan held in chains, man will yet again listen to Satan when he is loosed for awhile. Then God will commence the final judgment. Satan and sin, and all followers of the evil one, will be cast into hell fire for ever. God says He will then make a new heaven and a new earth, for His heavenly people (the church---bride), and His earthly people (restored Israel).

Make no mistake about it, we all are sinners and deserve condemnation, but the grace of God stands ever ready to receive "whosoever" will come and believe (John 3:15-19).

One will hear teaching and diverse ministry along our pathway from many sources . One should always test it by the Word of God (see John 5:39; Acts 17:11; II Tim.2:15; II Tim.3:16; Titus 1:9). Whether it is profitable often depends, too, on our state of soul. This paper is prepared with much care and prayer to be a help and honor the Lord. Comments and questions are welcome. - RLD

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SPECIAL COMMENT: It should be noted that some understanding of several periods or dispensations ---God’s administrations in the Word of God, is found in writings of very early Bible scholars, though a more thorough revelation and explanation of seven periods was brought to light by J. N. Darby in the early 1800’s. – RLD, 3/11
 

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Papa, you obviously have not studied the Scripture, or you would know that all these references in the Word show the seven dispensations. Many sound Bible scholars have set forth these ref. and show the relevance of them. You may choose to deny them, but that doesn't change God's Word. I hope you will re-consider your rejection and find what God has to say about His work.

- 1 Watchman
 
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Papa, you obviously have not studied the Scripture, or you would know that all these references in the Word show the seven dispensations. Many sound Bible scholars have set forth these ref. and show the relevance of them. You may choose to deny them, but that doesn't change God's Word. I hope you will re-consider your rejection and find what God has to say about His work.

- 1 Watchman
I don't consider dispensationalism Biblical either. It's quite clear this kind of statement is indeed calibrated to offend the person it's addressed to. "you have not studied ... you would know ... you may choose to deny them ..."

Many sound Biblical scholars have no such attraction to Scofield's seven dispensations -- in fact for the first 1700 years of Christianity they weren't considered that significant.

Many scholars today oppose dispensationalism on viable grounds, as well. O.P. Robertson's "Christ of the Covenants" puts covenants, not dispensations, as the clear organizing principle for the way things work in Scripture.
 
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I don't consider dispensationalism Biblical either. It's quite clear this kind of statement is indeed calibrated to offend the person it's addressed to. "you have not studied ... you would know ... you may choose to deny them ..."

Many sound Biblical scholars have no such attraction to Scofield's seven dispensations -- in fact for the first 1700 years of Christianity they weren't considered that significant.

Many scholars today oppose dispensationalism on viable grounds, as well. O.P. Robertson's "Christ of the Covenants" puts covenants, not dispensations, as the clear organizing principle for the way things work in Scripture.

In the fourth century Eusebius wrote, in his famous church history, that "many" early church writers had followed the (as he considered) bad lead of Papias. He gave Irenaeus as one example.

All the writings of Papias were purged from church libraries, and all the writings of the "many" who followed his lead also disappeared, except for most of those of Irenaeus.

Since we know that this genre included "many" writers, and we have no idea what they wrote except that it somehow resembled that of Irenaeus, it is nonsense to make any claims about what they supposedly did not teach.

Irenaeus repeatedly referred to dispensations, specifically mentioned Daniel's seventieth week as future, and taught that the great tribulation would be after the rapture. So do not be so certain that the early church did not teach dispensationalism.

Ref:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7566141/
 
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We agree in there being 7 primary dispensations. However, I do not find the Dispensation of Grace in Matthew.

Most dispensationals agree upon 7 Dispensations. However, there are no set amount of dispensations that can be arrived at in in Bible. Paul in Ephesians 2, list 3 dispensations. 1. "Times Past" vss 11.13. 2. "But Now" vs 13. 3. "Ages to Come" vs 7.

The following is taken from a chart that was produced by the Berean Bible Society. It is based upon the "Dispensation of Grace" starting with the raising up of the Apostle Paul after the stoning of Stephen. I might add that all dispensationalist will not agree with this chart percisely.

GOD'S PLAN FOR THE AGES*

*(Each dispensation is defined by four characteristics.)

A. All what God dispenses to, requires of, promises to, and commands men.

B. Man's responsibility to God.

C. Then man's failure.

D. God's judgment for man's failure and disobedience.

1. DISPENSATION OF INNOCENCE:

A. God created man in His image and therefore God dealt with man in his innocence (Gen 1:26,27). Adam and Eve were placed into a perfect environment and were vegetarians (Gen 2:5,8,9).

B. Man was responsible to dress the garden and keep it (Gen 2:15) and to abstain from partaking of the tree of knowledge of good and evil (Gen 2:17).

C. Mans failure came when Adam and Eve disobeyed God and ate of the forbidden fruit (Gen 3:6).

D. Judgment came upon them as they were expelled from the garden and the perfect environment in which they had lived was cursed. Thus sin, sorrow and death entered the world (Gen 3:16-19, 23,24; Rm 5:12-14).

2. DISPENSATION OF CONSCIENCE:

A. God dispensed conscience to Adam and Eve who, when they disobeyed Him, realized that they were naked, thus manifesting that they had to come to a knowledge of good and evil (Gen 3:7-10).

B. Now that conscience was to govern man, he was responsible "...to know good and evil..." (Gen 3:22).

God commanded Cain and Able to bring a blood sascrifice to be accepted by Him (Gen 4:1-4) to be offered by faith (Heb 11:4).

C. Cain disobeyed God in failing to bring an acceptable sacrifice, and in a jealous rage killed his brother Abel (Gen 4:5-15).

Man became polygamous (Gen 4:19). As men refused to heed their conscience, through them the earth became corrupt and was filled with violence (Gen 6:11-13).

D. God's judgment upon the corrupt and violent world came with the universal flood in the days of Noah (Gen 6:17).

3. DISPENSATION OF HUMAN GOVERNMENT;

A. God revealed that man was now to govern, thus strongly implying the rise of nations and the need for the establishment of human government (Gen 9:5,6).

B. Man was responsibsle to establish laws that were in accordance with God's righteous standards. He was responsible to "be ye fruitful, and multiply: bring forth abundantly in the earth, and myultiply therein" (Gen 11:4).

In defiance of the Holy One of heaven, they erected the so-called Tower of Babel to pay homage to the astrological signs of heaven (Gen 11:3,4; cf Rm 1:22,23).

C. Man failed when they disobeyed God's command to bring forth abundantly and, in uniting together, failed to multiply in the earth (Gen 11:4).

D. Judgment came swiftly as the Lord confounded their language and scattered them abroad upon the face of all the earth (Gen 11:7-9).

4. DISPENSATION OF PROMISE:

A. God dispensed a promise to Abram: "And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:...and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed" (Gen 12:2,3). God also promised that he would "...multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore..." (Gen 22:17), and unto them would be given a land called canaan (Gen 15:18).

B. Although the covenant that God established with Abraham was unconditional, Abraham and his descendants were responsible to trust God to fulfill His promise (Gen 26:1-4; 28:10-15).

C. Abraham, Isaac and Jacob failed to trust God completely. Instead of going to the land of Canaan from Ur of the Chaldees, Abraham came to Haran and dwelt there until his father died (Acts 7:4).

When the famine came upon the land, Isaac reluctantly obeyed God by not going into Egypt, however, he moved to Gerar, as close to Egypt as possible (Gen 26:1-6).

Jacob stole the birthright from his brother Esau (Gen 25:24-34) and later he forsook the land of his forefathers and, under the permissive will of God, moved to Egypt (Gen 41:54-57; cf Gen 46:26).

D. God's judgment came upon Israel when she remained in Egypt for 400 years in severe bondage to the Egyuptians.

5. DISPENSATION OF LAW:

A. God dispensed the Law to Moses. The purpose of the Law was to give Israel the knowledge of sin (Rm 3:20). The Law had the following characteristics.

1)MORAL: The ten commandments were given to govern the moral life of Israel (Ex 20).

2)CIVIL: The judgments were given to govern the individual Israelites in his dealings with the others (Ex 21).

3)CEREMONIAL: Provisions were formulated by which an atonement for sins could be made (Lev 16).

B. Since the Covenant of Law, or Mosaic Covenant, was conditional, those who were placed under it were responsible to keep all the 613 Commandments; thus Israel could only realize the blessings of God when she obeyed His voice (Ex 19:3-7).

C. Although Israel agreed to do "...all that the Lord hath spoken..." (Ex 19:8), the promise to obey soon proved to be a yoke about her neck (Acts 15:10), and Israel's failure under the Dispensation of the Law are too numerous to list; howerer, some of the more notable were:


1)Idol worship (Ex 32:1-6)

2)Unbelief (Num 13:26-33)

3)Murmuring (Num 16:1-8)

4)Fornication (Num 25:1-3)

5)Rejection of Messiah (John 19:15,16)

D. God's judgment came upon Israel many time during the approximately 1500 years that the nation was under the Dispensation of the Law. Among the more devastation calamities that befell here were:

1)The Assyrian Captivities (2Kings 17:4-6; 15:18)

2)The Babylonian Captivities (2Chron 36:11-21)

3)The setting aside of Israel in unbelief after the stoning of Stephen (Acts 7).

(The death of Jesus Christ on the Cross of Calvary did not bring to an end the Dispensation of Promise and the Law, nor did it initiate the Dispensation of Grace. Beginning with the stoning of Stephen and subsequent conversion of Saul of Tarsus, the temporary setting aside of God's earthly people, Israel, gradually took place. At the same time, God gradually began to make known to the new apostle, Paul, "the revelation of the mystery.")

This program of His heavenly people is called "...the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, But now is made manifest...made known to all nations for obedience of faith:" (Rm16:25,26).

Concurrently with the steady declension of God's Prophetic Program for His earthly people, with the final, yet temporary seting aside of Israel, was the steady ascension of His Heavenly program, the Mystery. There was, therefore, an overlapping of the two programs and dispensations, a transition period. God's Prophetic program will not resume until the beginning of the tribulation in the Kingdom Age.

6. DISPENSATION OF GRACE:

A. God dispenses grace to a lost and dying world (Eph 2:5, 3:2).

In the Dispensation of Grace a new creation has been brought into existence (2Cor5:17) which is called "...the Church, which is his Body..." (Eph 2:14-17).

Christ is the Head of the Body (Col 1:18) and holds an exalted position as He carries out His heavenly ministry (Phil 2:9: Eph 1:20-23).

B. Men and women are responsible to receive the written Word of God by faith and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved (Acts 16:31). Salvation is obtained by grace through faith, not of works (Eph 2:8,9).

Members of the Body of Christ are responsible to preach Jesus according to the revelation of the Mystery (Rm 16:25; 1Cor 9:16-18) and "to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery" (Eph 3:9) by doing the work of an evangelist (2Tim 4:5).

C. To a great degree men and women have failed to trust God; to believe His work, and to receive His Son, Jesus Christ as their Savior.

D. The Dispensation of Grace will close when "the fullness of the Gentiles be come in" Rm 11:25). All members of the Church which is His Body, living and dead, will then "...be caught up together..." in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air..." (1Thes 4:17; 2Cor10:11; Eph 3:9; Col 1:27).

Those unsaved living after the close of this Dispensation will go into the seven year tribulation. The unsaved who die during this Dispensation will join with other unsaved dead of all ages at the Great White Throne to be cast into the lake of fire (Rev 10:11-15).

7. THE DAY OF THE LORD;

A. God will dispense both wrath and justice uupon the world which has rejected his Son (Psa 2:1-12).

God's Prophetic Program, which was temporarily interrupted when the Dispensation of Grace began, will resume at the "time of Jacob's trouble" (Jer 30:7). Thus Israel will once again be in view as the world endures seven years of tribulation (Rev 7:1-8).

The great tribulation is a prelude to the coming Milennial Kingdom and has it purpose of overthrowing the Kingdoms of the world and the establishment "of Kingdoms of our Lord, and His Christ" (Rev 11:15), and will close at the Second Coming of Christ (Jer 30:7; Isa 24:1, Mat 24:29,30).

The Second Coming of Christ will initiate His reigh as King for a period of 1,000 years (Rev 20:4,5,7). During His reign the Throne of David will be established (2Sam 7:16; Mat 19:28; Acts 2:30). Justice will fill the earth (Jer 23:5,6); peace will prevail (Isa:9:6,7), and the Abrahamic, Davidic and Palestinian Covenants will be fulfilled.

B. It will be Israel's responsibility to declare that Christ is indeed the Messiah of Israel.

Repentance and baptism will again be preached (Mar 16:15,16; Acts 2:38; cf Rev 9:21) and certain aspects of the Law, such as the Sabbath, must again be observed (Mat 24:20).

C. In the face of almost unbelievable judgment, men will blaspheme God during the tribulation (Rev 16:11,21) and in the Millenial Kingdom will continue to sin against God (Isa 65:20). Although the Lord Jesus Chris rules in righteousness for 1,000 years, there will be those who rebel at the end of the Millenium and challenge His authority (Rev 20:7-9).

D. With the Church, the Body of Christ, seated with Him in the heavenlies, the Kingdom Age will be the consumation of all the previous ages and there will be a number of judgments. The establishment of the " Kingdoms of the Lord, and His Christ" will be accomplished by the judging and chastening of Israel (Mat 25:14-30), and the punishing of the nations (Mat 25:31-46).

At the end of the Millenial Kingdom, all of the unsaved of all ages will stand before the Great White Throne of God and be condemned to spend eternity in the lake of fire (Rev 20:11-15).

The Great Day of the Lord will close when the heavens and the earth are consumed with fire as God prepares to execute His Eternal Purpose (2Pet 3:10: Eph 1:10).

8. DISPENSATION OF THE FULLNESS OF TIME: (There are some that do not consider this a dispensation.)

A. God's ultimate purpose of His creation is that "He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth: even in Him (Eph 1:19).

The renovation of the heavens and the earth will return then to their pristine beauty (Psa 104:5; Isa 65:17; 2Pet 3:11; Rev 21:1).

The Body of Christ will reign with Christ in the heavenlies (Eph 2:6,7), and Israel and those redeemed under God's prophetic Program will reign with Christ from the New Jerusalem on the renovated earth (Rev 21:9-27).

All saints will live through eternity in perfect harmony with one another, and since all things have been gathered together in Christ, it seems likely that the heaven and the earth will be open to all the redeemed of all ages. God will be all in all (1Cor 5:9).

B. All will serve Him with gladness (2Cor5:9).

C. There will be no more failures.

D. There will be no more judgment.

"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying; neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." (Rev 21:4).
 
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In the fourth century Eusebius wrote, in his famous church history, that "many" early church writers had followed the (as he considered) bad lead of Papias. He gave Irenaeus as one example.

All the writings of Papias were purged from church libraries, and all the writings of the "many" who followed his lead also disappeared, except for most of those of Irenaeus.

Since we know that this genre included "many" writers, and we have no idea what they wrote except that it somehow resembled that of Irenaeus, it is nonsense to make any claims about what they supposedly did not teach.

Irenaeus repeatedly referred to dispensations, specifically mentioned Daniel's seventieth week as future, and taught that the great tribulation would be after the rapture. So do not be so certain that the early church did not teach dispensationalism.

Ref:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7566141/
More conspiracy theories and assertions from the absence of information.

Papias wasn't "purged" either. Papias' works were lost.

Nobody can demonstrate Papias was a dispensationalist, certainly not from the absence of information. Eusebius said Papias didn't have a "strong mind", either. It's interesting that he would be the lead arrogated to dispensationalism.
 
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More conspiracy theories and assertions from the absence of information.

Papias wasn't "purged" either. Papias' works were lost.

Nobody can demonstrate Papias was a dispensationalist, certainly not from the absence of information. Eusebius said Papias didn't have a "strong mind", either. It's interesting that he would be the lead arrogated to dispensationalism.

I did not say that any of these teachers was a dispensationalist. I pointed out that we know that there were "many" of them, and we have no idea what they taught. So your claim that the church was never very interested in dispensartionalism before around the year 1700 is utter nonsense. Since we have no idea what they taught, it is nonsense to claim that they did or did not not teach any particular doctrine.

After I pointed out that unquestionable fact, I also pointed out that Irenaeus made many comments with a Dispensational flavor. This, again, was not saying he was a dispensationalist. It was only pointing out the unquestionable fact that he had Dispensational ideas.

The link I gave showed that he also had ideas that are now part of Covenant Theology. I did not mention that here, because my point was the nonsensical nature of your claim. But some of the core ideas of dispensationalism were in circulation before the year 200. How long before that year is unknown, but the originator of the genre of writers of whom Irenaeus is the sole surviving example was reputed to have been a personal acquaintance of the Apostle John himself. So the ideas would seem to go all the way back to him.
 
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It appears that some readers are so opposed to Scripture that they ignore the obvious, and prefer to hold to their reasonings. The original post here gave ample evidence and explanation to the various dispensations (or administrations or ages, etc.). I don't see how one can honestly before God say that His Word is nonsense.
 
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Dispensations are not biblical and those who push these as agenda's are trying to complicate the Holy Word of God.

Dispensations ARE a huge part of the word of God;

Biblical history of mankind.....


1...Pre-Deluveon civilization......from Adam and Eve to the flood....Gen. 1-11
adam to Noah......fall, flood, Babel


2...Post Deluveon civilization.......
A...First half (Promise) Jewish age-Gen.12 thru Ex. 19, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob.....Abrahamic Covenent.....
B...Second half.....Ex. 19 thru Malachi Gospels (-jn 13-17)....Moses....Law of Moses


3...The church age....(NOW) ....grace, Mystery Doctrine (present time).....Acts 2 thru Rev 5 Epistles.....Paul, Peter, John......Giving of Holy Spirit..1 Cor 6:19-20, Matt 3:11, John 14:17, Rom 5:5, Gal 3:2.


4...Rapture.....in a moment of time 1 Thes 4:13-18...saints with Christ in heaven, ie: the Bride....called up in the air to be with Him


5...Trial and tribulation....7 years..Rev 6-19....Anti-Christ......144,000 true believer Jews witnesses.
A...First 31/2 yrs. ....Religous Power....Political Power, 1-beast, 2-beast, beast makes false covenent with Israel...Isa 28:15-18........
B...Second 31/2 yrs..... political Power...Man of Sin (Satan) DEMANDS Worship ..2 Thes 2.....Israel Flees to mountains...matt 24:15-16.......Satan Cast out of Heaven....Rev 12:9.....Battle of Armageddon....the blood will run Bridle deep to horse......(Abomination of Desolation, ie. =Armageddon....2nd Advent Rev 14:11-15)


6...The Millenium...Christ (Kingdom) Rev 20... Perfect Environment..1000 yrs.
No more wars...no more poor...
At the end of Millenium...Satan is released from H-ell for a short period (months?)...Battle of GOG & Magog


7...Eternity Begins.....New Heaven and New Earth ....Great White Throne Judgement..... And Eternal H-ell.
Believers in etenity with Christ for Forever......

Un-believers with Satan in H-ell for Forever......
 
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dan p

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I hope I did not personally offend you, Papa, but I just did not see the remarks as sound to the subject. Look up always!

Hi , I feel that you should NOT have to apologize to those that denigate Paul and you wrote a good reply as to the soundness of your OP .

As ususal those on the Covenant side refuse to see that Dispensationals came FIRST and that Paul says so in Eph 1:4 and 2 Tim 1:9 that we were CHOSEN/CALLED /ELECTED before the Foundation of the world and these leaves their Covenant theology as a false THEOLOGY , and without merit , dan p
 
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