Understanding The Dispensations

[1watchman]

I don't know what some Christians mean by "Dispensationalism", but I know what the dispensations are. They speak of administrations or ages of God's dealing with mankind. There are seven of them in the Bible, and we are now living in the sixth near to the end ("dispensation of grace", as Paul tells us). When it ends in judgment of the Tribulation it will open the way for the final dispensation which is the Millenium (the kingdom reign of Christ). I have a good paper on this if one would like to see it.

- 1 Watchman
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[Terral]

Hi Watch:

I don't know what some Christians mean by "Dispensationalism", but I know what the dispensations are.

Dispy's like to divide things, which is the reason there are so many different kinds. Dispensations divide various groups and places them under different sets of house rules.

They speak of administrations or ages of God's dealing with mankind. There are seven of them in the Bible, and we are now living in the sixth near to the end ("dispensation of grace", as Paul tells us).

Not exactly. Vine's definition is here.

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primarily signifies "the management of a household or of household affairs" (oikos, "a house," nomos, "a law"); then the management or administration of the property of others, and so "a stewardship [Eph. 3/Col.1]," Luke 16:2-4; elsewhere only in the Epistles of Paul, who applies it (a) to the responsibility entrusted to him [Eph. 3:3] of preaching the Gospel, 1 Cor. 9:17 (RV, "stewardship," AV, "dispensation"); (b) to the stewardship commited to him "to fulfill the Word of God," the fulfillment being the unfolding of the completion of the Divinely arranged and imparted cycle of truths which are consummated in the truth relating to the Church as the Body of Christ, Col. 1:25 (RV and AV, "dispensation"); so in Eph. 3:2, of the grace of God given him as a stewardship ("dispensation") in regard to the same "mystery;" (c) in Eph. 1:10; 3:9, it is used of the arrangement or administration by God, by which in "the fullness of the times" (or seasons) God will sum up all things in the heavens and on earth in Christ. ...

Note: A "dispensation" is not a period or epoch (a common, but erroneous, use of the word), but a mode of dealing, an arrangement, or administration of affairs. Cp. oikonomos, "a steward," and oikonomeo, "to be a steward."

Obeying Paul's 'my gospel' (Gospel #2) allows the believer to become a member of the Body of Christ (Church #2) through the 'one baptism' (3 for the Gospel of the Kingdom) for entry into the 'Dispensation of God's Grace.' The Body of Christ is a 'household' living under a completely different set of 'house rules' than the unsaved all around us and Israel of the flesh, and the angels in the heavens, and His cherubim guardians, and Satan and his sons of wickedness, etc., etc.. There are literally thousands of dispensations in this universe and an infinite number in God's Infinite Realm, because a new one is created for each relationship with Almighty God through His Living Word. Melchizedek interceded for Gentiles for eons before any such thing as Israel or a Jew walked this earth. God deals with angels differently than men and there are many kinds of angels, which may allow you to see that since God has myriads of relationships with many households, then there are as many dispensations.

When it ends in judgment of the Tribulation it will open the way for the final dispensation which is the Millenium (the kingdom reign of Christ).

There are several problems with your interpretation:

1. What is going to cause Christ's Kingdom to end after only 100 years? Scripture says:

For a (A)child will be born to us, a (B)son will be given to us;
And the (C)government will rest (D)on His shoulders;
And His name will be called (E)Wonderful Counselor, (F)Mighty God,
Eternal (G)Father, Prince of (H)Peace.
7There will be (I)no end to the increase of His government or of peace,
On the (J)throne of David and over his kingdom,
To establish it and to uphold it with (K)justice and righteousness
From then on and forevermore
(L)The zeal of the LORD of hosts will accomplish this. Isaiah 9:6-7.

You say that Christ's kingdom will end in 1000 years, but Scripture says that kingdom will be 'from then on and forevermore,' i.e. 'forever.'

2. The second problem is that Christ said that His kingdom is 'not' of this world or even of this realm:

"Jesus answered, "(A)My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdom is not of this realm." John 18:36.

Christ's kingdom cannot be 1000 years on this earth, when His kingdom is not of this world or even of this realm!

3. You say that Christ is going to sit on an earthly throne, but Scripture says Christ has a heavenly kingdom.

"The Lord will rescue me from every evil deed, and will (A)bring me safely to His (B)heavenly kingdom; (C)to Him be the glory forever and ever. Amen." 2Timothy 4:18.

Christ has a heavenly kingdom (our citizenship is in heaven) and the temporary kingdom teaching is just one of those 'myths'. Scripture says that 'David' (Eze. 34:22-25) sits on that throne and 'forever' (Eze. 37:24-28) after the 'Whole House Of Israel' is resurrected and led into the Promised Land ( 'land of Israel' = Eze. 37:11-12). 'David' (Jer. 30:9) will be raised up (again) ...

... because David, Elijah, John the Baptist, Joshua and Abraham are all 'skins' (Gen. 3:21) for your father Adam like Noah, Moses, Sarah and Bathsheba are 'skins' for your mother Eve: the two olive trees/lampstands (Zech. 4:11-14) testifying before the Lord (Lamb) of the whole earth. The 'Tabernacle of David/Adam' (Acts 15:16-18) must be rebuilt and on this earth, just like God says. David will appear as 'Elijah' and lead Israel into the Promised Land and divide the Jordan River for the crossing, after baptizing them into the Kingdom of God on earth (Matt. 3:1-6 all over again).

David will rule for 1000 years, until Satan and his evil forces of this darkness are unchained and all havoc breaks loose (Messiah cut off = Dan. 9:26). Then 'end time' events (1000 years from now) will be fulfilled (Matt. 24, Rev. 4-20) and the Son of Man returns with the Body and Bride of Christ, so the Lord can judge everybody (Matt. 25:31-34) and here we go into New Jerusalem (in Heaven) and the New Heavens and New Earth (diagram).

In Christ Jesus,

Terral

 

[Dispy]

I don't know what some Christians mean by "Dispensationalism", but I know what the dispensations are. They speak of administrations or ages of God's dealing with mankind. There are seven of them in the Bible, and we are now living in the sixth near to the end ("dispensation of grace", as Paul tells us). When it ends in judgment of the Tribulation it will open the way for the final dispensation which is the Millenium (the kingdom reign of Christ). I have a good paper on this if one would like to see it.

- 1 Watchman
aninterface@hotmail.com

Although one can find numerous dispensation in the Bible, the vast majority believe that there are 7 major dispensations. They may not all agree on every point in each dispensation. In each dispensation we can see how God's dealing with man have changed.

In each dispensation we find its Name:
A. Establishment
B. Responsibility
C. Failure
D. Judgment

The following is taken from a chart published by the Berean Bible Society.

1. DISPENSATION OF INNOCENCE:

A. God created man in His image and therefore God dealt with man in his innocence (Gen. 1:26,27).

B. Man was responsible to keep it (Gene. 2:15) and to abstain from partaking of the tree of knowledge of good and evil (Gen. 2:17)

C. Man's failure came when Adam and Eve disobeyed God and ate of the forbidden fruit (Gen. 3:6).

D. Judgment came upon them as they were expelled from the garden and the perfect environment in which they had lived was cursed. Thus sin, sorrow, and death entered the word (Gen.3:16-19; 23,24; Rom. 5:12-14).

2. DISPENSATION OF CONSCIENCE;

A. God dispensed conscience to Adam and Eve who, when they disobeyed Him, realized that they were naked, thus manifesting that they had come to know good and evil (Gen.3:7-10).

B. Now that conscience was to govern man, he was responsible "...to know good and evil..." Gen. 3:22).

God commamded Cain and Abe; to bring a blood sacrifice to be accepted by Him (Gen. 4:1-4) to be offered by faith (Heb. 11.4).

C. Cain disobeyed God in failing to bring an acceptable sacrifice, and in a jealous rage killed his brother Abel (Gen. 4:5-15)
Man became polygamous (Gen. 4:19).

As men refused to heed their conscience through them the earth became corrupt and was filled with violence (Gen. 6:11-13).

D. God's judgment upon the corrupt and violent world came with the universal flood in the days of Noah (Gen. 6:17).

3. DISPENSATION OF HUMAN GOVERNMENT.

A. God revealed that man was not to govern, thus strongly implying the rise of nations and the need for the establishment of human government (Gen:5,6).

The fear of man was placed on the beast of the field and man was permitted to eat meat (Gen. 9:2,3).

B. Man was responsible to establish laws that were in accordance with God's righteous standards. He was responsible to "be ye fruitful, and multiply; bring forth abundantly in the earth, and multiply therein" (Gen. 9:7).

In the establishment of human government, it became man's responsibility to institute capital punishment in order to obey God when He said "whoso shedeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed. For in the image of God made He man." (Gen. 9:6).

C. Man failed when they disobeyed God's command to bring forth abundantly and, in uniting together, failed to multiply in the earth (Gen. 11:4).

In defiance of the Holy one of heaven, they erected the so-called Tower of Babel to pay homage to the astrological signs of heaven. (Gen 11:3,4; cf. Rom. 1:22,23).

In their desire to make a name for themselves (Gen. 11:4), men failed to form a human government in accordance with God's righteous standard, thus producing the spirit of lawlessness described in Romans Chapter 1.

D. Judgment came swiftly as the Lord confounded their language and scattered them abroad upon the face of the earth (Gen. 11:7-9).

4. DISPENSATION OF PROMISE.

A. God dispensed a promise to Abraham: "And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shall be a blessing:...and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed" (Gen. 12:2,3).
"...multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the seashore..." (Gen.22:17), and unto them would be given a land called Canaan (Gen. 15:18).

B. Although the covenant that God established with Abraham was unconditional, Abraham and his descendants were responsible to trust God to fulfill His promise (Gen. 26:1-4; 28:10-15).

Circumcision was mandatory as a seal of the covenant which God established with Abraham (Gen. 17:9-14).

C. Abraham, Isaac and Jacob failed to trust God completely. Instead of going directly to the land of Canaan from Ur of the Chaldees, Abraham came to Haran and dwelt there until his father died (Acts 7:4).

When a famine came upon the land, Isaac reluctantly obeyed God by not going into Egypt; however, he moved to Gerar, as close to Egypt as possible (Gen. 26:1-6).

Jacob stole the birthright from his brother Esau (Gen. 25:24-34) and later he forsook the land of his forefathers and, under the permissive will of God, moved to Egypt (Gen. 41:54-57; cf. Gen. 46:26).

D. God's judgment came upon Israel when she remained in Egypt for 400 years in severe bondage to Egyptians.

5. DISPENSATION OF LAW;

A. God dispensed the Law to Moses. The purpose of the Law was to give Israel the knowledge of sin (Rom. 3:20). The Law had the following characteristics:

1). MORAL: The Ten Commandments were given to govern the moral life of Israel (Ex. 20).
2). CIVIL: The judgments wee given to govern the individual Israelite in his dealing with others (Ex. 21).
3). CEREMONIAL; Provisions wee formulated by which an atonement for sins could be made (Lev. 16).

B. Since the Covenants of the Law or the Mosaic Covenant, was conditional, those who were placed under it were responsible to keep all the 613 Commandments; thus Israel could only realize the blessings of God when she obeyed His voice (Es. 19:3-7).

C. Although Israel agreed to do "...All that the lord hath spoken..." (Ex.19:8) the promise to obey soon proved to be a yoke about her neck (Acts 15:10), and Israel's failure under the Dispensation of Law are too numerous to list: however, some of the more notable were:

1). Idol Worship (Es. 32:1-6).
2). Unbelief (Num. 13:26-33).
3). Murmuring (Num. 16:1-8).
4). Fornication (Num. 25:1-3).
5). Rejection of Messiah (John 19:15,16).

D. God's judgment came upon Israel many times during the approximately 1500 years that the nation was under the Dispensation of Law. Among the more devastating calamities that befell here were:

1). The Assyrian Captivity (2 Kings 17:4-6; 15-18).
2). The Babylonian Captivity (2 Chron. 36:11-21).
3). The setting aside of Israel in unbelief at the stoning of Stephen (Acts 7).

6. DISPENSATION OF GRACE;

A. God dispenses grace to the lost and dying world (Eph. 2:5; 3:2).

In the dispensation of grace, a new creation has been brought into existence (2 Cor. 5:17) which is called "...the Church, which is His Body..." (Eph. 1:22, 23). This Church is made up of the Jew and Gentiles without distinction (Eph. 2:14-17).

Christ is the Head of the Body (Col. 1:18) and holds an exalted position as H carries out His heavenly ministry (Phil. 2:9; Eph. 1:20-23).

Believer are baptized spiritually by the Holy Spirit into the Body of Christ (1Cor. 12:13) in contrast with those at Pentecost who were baptized by Christ with the Holy Ghost (Matt. 3:11; Acts 1:5).

B. Men and women are responsible to receive the written Word of God by faith and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved (Acts 16:31). Salvation is obtained by grace through faith, not of works )Eph. 2:5-9).

Member of the Body of Christ are responsible to preach Jesus Christ according to the revelation of the Mystery (Rom. 16:25; 1 Cor. 9:16-18) and "to make all see what is the fellowship of the mystery (Eph. 3:9) by doing the work of an evangelist (2 Tim. 4:5).

C. To a very great degree men and women have failed to trust God; to believe His Word, and to receive His Son, Jesus Christ, as their savior.

The Church today has failed miserably in even acknowledging the Mystery, let alone making it known. Sadly, it is repeating the same mistake made by early members of the Body when they forsook the message of the Apostle Paul (2 Tim. 1:15).

D. The Dispensation of Grace will close when "the fullness of the Gentiles be come in" (Rom. 11:25). All the members of the Church which is his Body, living and dead will then "...be caught up together ...in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air..." (1 Thess. 4:17), and will appear before the Judgment Seat of Christ. At that time thorough review of their lives will indicate whether or not they have been faithful to the message of God's grace with which they been entrusted and called upon to proclaim (1Cor. 3:9-17; 2 Cor. 5:10,11; Eph. 3:9; Col. 1:27).

Those unsaved living after the close of this Dispensation will go into the seven year tribulation. The unsaved who die during this Dispensation will join the other unsaved dead of all ages at the Great White Throne to be cast into the lake of fire. (Rev. 20:11-15).

7. DISPENSATION OF DIVINE GOVERNMENT: (The age of the Jewish nation continues.)

A. God will dispense both wrath and justice upon the world which has rejected His son (Psa. 2:1-12).

God's prophetic Program, which was temporarily interrupted when the Dispensation of Grace began, will resume at "the time of Jacob's trouble" (Jer. 30:7). Thus Israel will again be in view as the world endures seven years of Tribulation (Rev. 7:1-8.

The great tribulation is a prelude to the coming Millennial Kingdom and has as it purpose the overthrowing of the kingdoms of the world and the establishment of "the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ" (Rev. 11:15), and will close with the Second Coming of Christ (Jer. 30:7; Isa. 24:1; Ezek. 38:14-23, Matt. 24:29,30.

The Second Coming of Christ will initiate His reign as king for a period of 1000 years (Rev. 20:4,5,7). During His reign the throne of David will be established (2 Sam. 7:16; Matt. 19:28; Acts 2:30). Justice will fill the earth (Jere. 23:5,6); peace will prevail (Isa. 9:6,7), and the Abrahamic, Davidic, and Palestinian Covenants will be fulfilled.

B. It will be Israel's responsibility to declare that Christ is indeed the Messiah of Israel. Repentance and baptism will again be preached (Mark 16:15,16; Acts 2:38; cf. Rev. 9:21) and certain aspects of the Law, such as the Sabbath, must again be observed (Matt. 24:20).

C. In the face of almost unbelievable judgment men will blaspheme God during the tribulation (Reve. 16:11,21) and in the Millennial Kingdom will continue to sin against God (Isa. 65:20). Although the Lord Jesus Christ rules in righteousness for 1000 years, there will be those who rebel at the end of the millennium and challenge His authority (Reve. 20:7-9).

D. With the Church, the body of Christ, seated with Him in the heavenlies, the Kingdom Age will be consummated of all the previous ages and there will be a number of judgments. The establishment of the "kingdoms our Lord, and His Christ" will be accomplished by the judging and chastening of Israel (Matthew 25:14-30), and the punishing of the nations (Matt. 25:31-46).

At the end of the Millennial Kingdom, all of the unsaved of all the ages will stand before the Great White Throne of God and be condemned to spend eternity in the lake of fire (Rev. 20:11-15).

The great day of the Lord will close when the heavens and earth are consumed with fire, as God prepares to execute His eternal purpose (2 Peter 3:10; Eph. 1:10).

8. DISPENSATION OF THE FULNES OF TIME; ( Many do not consider this a dispensation.)

A. All saints will live through eternity in perfect harmony with one another, and since all things have been gathered together in Christ, it seems likely that the heaven and the earth will be open to all the redeemed of all ages. God will be all in all (cur 5:9).

B. All will serve Him with gladness (Cora:9).

C. There will be no more failures.

D. There will be no more judgment.

"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying; neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." (Rev 21:4).

 

[Terral]

Hi Dispy:

Although one can find numerous dispensation in the Bible, the vast majority believe that there are 7 major dispensations. They may not all agree on every point in each dispensation. In each dispensation we can see how God's dealing with man have changed.

If discussion is limited to ‘major’ dispensations, then Scripture divides itself into three sections for Israel (OT), the Prophetic Kingdom Bride (Church #1) and the Mystery Body of Christ (Church #2) saved by Gospel #2.

When you add the Gentiles, then Scripture contains four primary dispensations:

1. Gentiles without the Law.
2. Israel under Moses (in golden/yellow).
3. Prophetic Kingdom Bride under Peter (in blue).
4. Mystery Body of Christ under Paul (in red).

BTW, Dispy posted more C.R. Stam commentary on my ‘Two Churches’ topic in post #31 (here), for which I started the “Dispy’s C.R. Stam Theology Debate” Topic here, but all our resident Ultra-Dispensationalist can muster for a defense is to claim that I teach a ‘scrambled egg’ doctrine. :0) Once again I will ‘quote >>’ Ultra-Dispy Theology to point out the obvious errors using Scripture and Dispy will resign himself to attacking my person without any ability to defend a single word.

In each dispensation we find its Name:
A. Establishment
B. Responsibility
C. Failure
D. Judgment

Obviously I do not subscribe to traditional Dispensationalist dogma that fails to make distinctions between ‘dispensations’ as households living under house rules versus ‘times’ and ‘epochs.’

The following is taken from a chart published by the Berean Bible Society.

1. DISPENSATION OF INNOCENCE:

A. God created man in His image and therefore God dealt with man in his innocence (Gen. 1:26,27).

God creating man in His Own Image has nothing to do with innocence and everything to do with the ‘trinue’ nature of God (diagram) and man (diagram) with each have a witness of spirit, blood and water [1Jn 5:8] like the earth (diagram), the Temple (diagram), etc.. God working in Genesis 1 is “The Almighty” of Revelation 1:8 who sent our Lord Jesus Christ into the world to save sinners (John 3:16).

B. Man was responsible to keep it (Gene. 2:15) and to abstain from partaking of the tree of knowledge of good and evil (Gen. 2:17).

Hold your horses!! God is working in Genesis 1 and then RESTED in Genesis 2:1-3, so the “Lord God” (Lamb = Christ) can begin His work of consecrating ‘seventh day’ man in Genesis 2:4+. The Lord God of Genesis 2 is the “Lamb of God” that stands in the ‘center of the throne’ (Rev. 7:17) that John the Baptist points to in John 1:29+36. The people in Genesis 1 are the native inhabitants of the land like the Aborigine and Indian peoples that have been on this earth for hundreds of thousands and even millions of years. Adam and Eve live a ‘heavenly’ existence from Genesis 2:7 to Genesis 3:20, until the Lord God (Christ) makes garments of skins for his two olive trees/lampstands of Zechariah 4:11-14 in Genesis 3:21. Adam’s 930 years on this earth begin in Genesis 3:21, but this ‘seventh day’ began thousands of years earlier in Genesis 2:4-9 with the creation of Adam and the Garden.

C. Man's failure came when Adam and Eve disobeyed God and ate of the forbidden fruit (Gen. 3:6).

Scripture says,

“For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.” 1Timothy 2:13-14.

Adam was not deceived, but Eve was deceived and the woman being deceived fell into transgression. The forbidden fruit contained the serpent’s evil seed, which gives the world sons of obedience ‘and’ disobedience to this day. Eve was bound to fail in the same way that Israel was bound to reject Jesus Christ 2000 years ago, which is all according to God’s foreknowledge and prescribed Plan of ultimate redemption through His Only Begotten Son.

D. Judgment came upon them as they were expelled from the garden and the perfect environment in which they had lived was cursed. Thus sin, sorrow, and death entered the word (Gen.3:16-19; 23,24; Rom. 5:12-14).

The ‘Garden’ is a heavenly abode from where Adam and Eve were cast down to walk upon this earth in human skins in Genesis 3:21. Death has been in this world from the very beginning, but sin is not imputed where there is no law (Romans 5:13). The Law is eventually given to Israel of the flesh through Moses, which in reality is the first major dispensation taken from the Gentiles.

In Christ Jesus,

Terral

 

[Terral]

Hi Dispy:

2. DISPENSATION OF CONSCIENCE;

A. God dispensed conscience to Adam and Eve who, when they disobeyed Him, realized that they were naked, thus manifesting that they had come to know good and evil (Gen.3:7-10).

God is resting “IN” His Son (Lamb/Lord of God) and reconciling the world to Himself (2Cor. 5:19) from Genesis 2:3 onward throughout God’s Living Word. Go back to Genesis 2:4+ to see if ‘God’ (Gen. 1) is working or the “Lord God” (Jesus Christ). The entire ‘naked’ aspect of Adam and Eve in Genesis pertains to their ‘heavenly’ existence BEFORE the Lord God made them ‘skins’ to walk this earth in Genesis 3:21. Adam and Eve have the knowledge of good ‘and’ evil in the moment they consumed the forbidden fruit containing ‘your seed.’

B. Now that conscience was to govern man, he was responsible "...to know good and evil..." Gen. 3:22).

Sin is still ‘not’ imputed where there is no law. Romans 5:13. Abel was good and Cain was evil …

God commanded Cain and Abe; to bring a blood sacrifice to be accepted by Him (Gen. 4:1-4) to be offered by faith (Heb. 11.4).

Please refer to the “Lord” as THE LORD and stop transliterating Scripture to adopt your false teaching! You cited Genesis 4:1-4, so let us look at those verses:

“Now the man had relations with his wife Eve, and she conceived and gave birth to Cain, and she said, "I have gotten a manchild with the LORD." Again, she gave birth to his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of flocks, but Cain was a tiller of the ground. So it came about in the course of time that Cain brought an offering to the LORD of the fruit of the ground. Abel, on his part also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of their fat portions. And the LORD had regard for Abel and for his offering …”. Genesis 4:1-4.

There is no mention of ‘God’ (Gen. 1) anywhere, because He is resting! The LORD is the “Lord God” of Genesis 2:4+ that is the same “Lord” of Malachi 3:1 coming to His Temple that we know for a fact is Jesus Christ THE LORD (Romans 10:9).

Cain and Abel are representing Satan and Adam respectively and going through the same acts that took place in God’s Infinite Realm (far left) LONG before this creation was called into being. Cain murdered Abel in the same way that Satan murdered Adam, which is the reason Heaven and Earth exist today and for all the ages to come. Cain was doomed to murder his brother in the same way that Eve was doomed to eat the fruit to allow the evil ‘your seed’ to enter her being. “That which has been is that which will be …” (see Ecc. 1:9-11).

C. Cain disobeyed God in failing to bring an acceptable sacrifice, and in a jealous rage killed his brother Abel (Gen. 4:5-15)

Cain was a tiller of the ground (Gen. 4:2) and therefore brought fruit of the ground. The entire chapter of Leviticus 2 is dedicated to grain offerings that has no mention of animal sacrifice at all. The Lord God obviously has regard for grain offerings, but NOT for anything coming from Cain who typifies Satan with every breath and step of his satanic existence.

Man became polygamous (Gen. 4:19).

So? David and Solomon had hundreds of wives and concubines and both lived under Mosaic Law …

As men refused to heed their conscience through them the earth became corrupt and was filled with violence (Gen. 6:11-13).

D. God's judgment upon the corrupt and violent world came with the universal flood in the days of Noah (Gen. 6:17).

No sir. The ‘land’ is filled with violence and the same ‘land’ was flooded to kill off the evil seed-infected descendants of Adam and Eve with the exception of eight souls in the persons of Noah’s family in the Ark. Noah’s flood affected the Euphrates Basin and the Ark carried animals from that region ONLY. The Lord God has been piling up waters in a heap (Ex. 15:8, Joshua 3:13, 16, Ps. 33:7, 78:13) from the beginning ...

In Christ Jesus,

Terral

 

[Terral]

Hi Dispy:

3. DISPENSATION OF HUMAN GOVERNMENT.

A. God revealed that man was not to govern, thus strongly implying the rise of nations and the need for the establishment of human government (Gen: 5,6).

The fear of man was placed on the beast of the field and man was permitted to eat meat (Gen. 9:2,3).

Man has been eating meat from day one in Genesis 1, as if a man walking this earth requires permission to have a steak. Scripture continues to represent the Lord God dealing with the descendants of Adam and Eve in the Euphrates Basin and ‘not’ the whole wide world.

B. Man was responsible to establish laws that were in accordance with God's righteous standards. He was responsible to "be ye fruitful, and multiply; bring forth abundantly in the earth, and multiply therein" (Gen. 9:7).

In other words, these are the same rules that apply to the Genesis 1 ‘sixth day’ people (Gen. 1:28-29).

In the establishment of human government, it became man's responsibility to institute capital punishment in order to obey God when He said "whoso shedeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed. For in the image of God made He man." (Gen. 9:6).

The Lord God is addressing Noah and his sons destined to repopulate the Euphrates Basin leading to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and the righteous branch.

C. Man failed when they disobeyed God's command to bring forth abundantly and, in uniting together, failed to multiply in the earth (Gen. 11:4). In defiance of the Holy one of heaven, they erected the so-called Tower of Babel to pay homage to the astrological signs of heaven. (Gen 11:3,4; cf. Rom. 1:22,23).

The establishment of human government is a natural occurrence where numbers increase. Noah and his descendants had no mechanism to implement any New World Order in Genesis, but his descendants united together under a single language to implement a Euphrates Basin regional government that was broken up by confusion of the languages and scattering of the Lord (Gen. 11:7-8). The interesting aspect of your ‘Dispensation of Human Government’ claim is that the Lord God disperses the same men that were instituting Human Government. Maybe this ‘dispensation’ should be called the ‘Dispensation of the Lord dispelling men for instituting Human Government.’

In their desire to make a name for themselves (Gen. 11:4), men failed to form a human government in accordance with God's righteous standard, thus producing the spirit of lawlessness described in Romans Chapter 1.

Let me get this straight: Man ‘was’ forming a single regional government under one language, but the Lord confounded their language and scattered man; which caused man’s one government to fail. To blame God’s judgment upon godless people (Romans 1) on their failure to institute a Dispensation of Human Government appears unfounded, when the Lord God is responsible for confounding the languages and scattering the people in the first place.

D. Judgment came swiftly as the Lord confounded their language and scattered them abroad upon the face of the earth (Gen. 11:7-9).

No. The Lord confounding their language and scattering the people came ‘during’ the Human Government institution process, which caused the failure of those called to your so-called dispensation. Scripture says,

“Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God.” Romans 13:1.

Governing authorities that exist are established BY GOD and they stand or fall by the will of GOD HIMSELF and not upon the frailties of mere men.This Human Government Dispensation appears to lack a 'steward' (like Moses, Peter and Paul) and a specific set of 'house rules' to distinguish this dispensation from others.


In Christ Jesus,

Terral

 

[Dispy]

Terral:
I quit reading your postings some time ago as when I try to figure out you circles, they are too difficult for me to understand. As a retired photographer I will use a photographic term that they are circles of confusion, which are out of focus images of a point.

I have not responded to any of your postings, and will not start now. You can believe what you wish, and I will ignore anything you write.

 

[Terral]

Hi Dispy:

4. DISPENSATION OF PROMISE.

A. God dispensed a promise to Abraham: "And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shall be a blessing:...and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed" (Gen. 12:2,3)."...multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the seashore..." (Gen.22:17), and unto them would be given a land called Canaan (Gen. 15:18).

B. Although the covenant that God established with Abraham was unconditional, Abraham and his descendants were responsible to trust God to fulfill His promise (Gen. 26:1-4; 28:10-15).

The Lord God made promises to Adam and Noah and Abram and many others, but some Dispy’s create a completely new dispensation over promises made to Abraham. For example, the Lord God hears Ishmael and blesses him and makes him fruitful and multiplies him exceedingly (Gen. 17:20) to make him the father of twelve princes and a great nation. This is yet another household/dispensation under God that is dealt with ‘differently’ than peoples of other groups, but somehow this ‘dispensation’ is not one of the seven major dispensations observed by Traditional Dispensationalists. The truth is that the Lord God is dealing with Abraham and Sarah as progenitors of the ‘righteous branch’ that runs through Isaac and Jacob/Israel to whom Mosaic Law ‘will’ be given. Abraham tithes to Melchizedek (Gen. 14:17+) like Gentiles had being doing for millennia.

Circumcision was mandatory as a seal of the covenant which God established with Abraham (Gen. 17:9-14).

And yet, Abraham’s circumcision coincides with the circumcision of Ishmael (Gen. 17:23-26) and not Isaac, which tells you that much more is going on here than meets the eye.

C. Abraham, Isaac and Jacob failed to trust God completely. Instead of going directly to the land of Canaan from Ur of the Chaldees, Abraham came to Haran and dwelt there until his father died (Acts 7:4).

All of God’s dealings with Abraham are through the Lord God (Christ), but Dispy does not appear to know the difference; which is problematic to our deliberations.

When a famine came upon the land, Isaac reluctantly obeyed God by not going into Egypt; however, he moved to Gerar, as close to Egypt as possible (Gen. 26:1-6).

Jacob stole the birthright from his brother Esau (Gen. 25:24-34) and later he forsook the land of his forefathers and, under the permissive will of God, moved to Egypt (Gen. 41:54-57; cf. Gen. 46:26).

In other words, you are saying that the Lord God deals with Jacob (Israel) and Esau (Arabs) in different ways, which means Esau is yet another ‘dispensation’ under God that shall serve the younger (Gen. 25:23).

D. God's judgment came upon Israel when she remained in Egypt for 400 years in severe bondage to Egyptians.

Israel ‘is’ under Mosaic Law, while those living ‘before the Law’ lived under a completely different set of house rules. The interesting aspect of Israel’s Judgment in the wilderness is that they ‘did’ erect the Tabernacle of Moses for keeping the Law, while currently Israel of the flesh refuses to obey the simple commands like this:

"In the tent of meeting, outside the veil which is before the testimony, Aaron and his sons shall keep it in order from evening to morning before the LORD; it shall be a perpetual statute throughout their generations for the sons of Israel.” Exodus 27:21.

Israel does not require The Temple to keep the whole Law, but only needs to pitch a tent. Elijah will appear with an iron rod and beat Israel mercilessly (refine them = Mal. 3) for failure to keep even the simplest aspects of Mosaic Law ...


In Christ Jesus,

Terral

 

[Terral]

Hi Dispy:

5. DISPENSATION OF LAW;

A. God dispensed the Law to Moses. The purpose of the Law was to give Israel the knowledge of sin (Rom. 3:20).

No. God rested in Genesis 2:1-3. The Lord God (Christ = Gen. 2:4+) gave the Law to Moses for dispensing to Israel of the flesh.

The Law had the following characteristics:

1). MORAL: The Ten Commandments were given to govern the moral life of Israel (Ex. 20).
2). CIVIL: The judgments were given to govern the individual Israelite in his dealing with others (Ex. 21).
3). CEREMONIAL; Provisions were formulated by which an atonement for sins could be made (Lev. 16).

Mosaic Law ‘has’ (present tense) the following characteristics, because Israel remains under every precept teaching The Law to this day! The missing element in your Stam-created ‘cut-and-paste’ job is the Prophetic Kingdom ‘Bride’ (Church #2) saved via the “Gospel of the Kingdom” (Gospel #1) that also places the Kingdom Disciple very much under Mosaic Law:

"Do not think that I came to abolish the (A)Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, (B)until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least (C)in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” Matthew 5:17-19.

Peter, John and James and everyone obeying the ‘Gospel of the Kingdom’ is bound to keep the ‘whole Law’ (James 2:10), just like Israel of the flesh 2000 years ago ‘and’ Israel of the flesh today; until heaven and earth pass away at the END of the age (Rev. 20:11-15). Christ is very clear that Kingdom Disciples must ‘keep the commandments,’ as we see in Matthew 19:

“And someone came to Him and said, "Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may obtain (B)eternal life?" And He said to him, "Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but (C)if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments." Matthew 19:16-17.

The reason that ‘some of our number’ (Acts 15:24) were ‘disturbing’ Paul’s Gentiles in Galatia (my Topic) is because these Kingdom Disciples, obeying the Gospel of the Kingdom (Gospel #1), thought that Paul’s Gentiles were being added to their Prophetic Kingdom Bride (Church #1). The most common error among professing Dispensationalists is they foolishly mix Peter’s Kingdom Church and Paul’s Grace Church together, which amounts to ‘distorting the wisdom given him’ (Paul) to their own destruction. 2Peter 3:14-16.

B. Since the Covenants of the Law or the Mosaic Covenant, was conditional, those who were placed under it were responsible to keep all the 613 Commandments; thus Israel could only realize the blessings of God when she obeyed His voice (Es. 19:3-7).

The fact is that the Lord God has an inconsistent record when dealing with the righteous branch and Israel of the flesh throughout the Old and New Testaments. The Twelve Patriarchs lived under the Covenant with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob that was also conditional; but they were justified in lying to 'Shechem and his father Hamor' (Gen. 34:13). The sons of Jacob made an agreement with Hamor that if his men were all circumcised, ‘then we will give our daughters to you, and we will take your daughters to ourselves, and we will live with you and become one people.’ Gen. 34:16.

“Now it came about on the third day, when they were in pain, that two of Jacob's sons, Simeon and Levi, Dinah's brothers, each took his sword and came upon the city unawares, and killed every male. They killed Hamor and his son Shechem with the edge of the sword, and took Dinah from Shechem's house, and went forth. Jacob's sons came upon the slain and looted the city, because they had defiled their sister.” Genesis 34:25-27.

Jacob’s sons did not murder and loot the entire city, because one man defiled anybody. Scripture says in Genesis 34:3 that, ‘he loved the girl and spoke tenderly to her,’ and the entire city was not guilty of anything against Jacob anyway. Jacobs sons conspired together to kill the men in the city and loot their wealth that included taking all of their women and children as their own property; and the Lord God rewarded them for dealing with Hamor and Shechem deceitfully. David murdered Uriah the Hittite in cold blood, so he could marry Bathsheba; so the Lord God could bless them to beget Solomon; which does not amount to an ‘eye for an eye’ in the book of anyone. David ascended to his throne over Saul’s deliberate disobedience to the Lord God who commanded that he kill EVERYONE, which included “man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’ 1Samuel 15:3. Saul had no problem killing all the women, children and infants, but he spared some of the livestock and the king of the Amalekites. The fact is that obeying the Lord’s commands to murder children and infants takes priority over every word of Mosaic Law, when the situation says so. Clearly a double standard exists for a ‘chosen race’ to act one way, while the same acts are an abomination when carried out by others.

C. Although Israel agreed to do "...All that the lord hath spoken..." (Ex.19:8) the promise to obey soon proved to be a yoke about her neck (Acts 15:10), and Israel's failure under the Dispensation of Law are too numerous to list: however, some of the more notable were:

1). Idol Worship (Es. 32:1-6).
2). Unbelief (Num. 13:26-33).
3). Murmuring (Num. 16:1-8).
4). Fornication (Num. 25:1-3).
5). Rejection of Messiah (John 19:15,16).

The Lord God knows full well that Israel is ‘an obstinate people’ and says to Moses,

"I have seen this people, and behold, they are an obstinate people. Now then let Me alone, that My anger may burn against them and that I may destroy them; and I will make of you a great nation." Exodus 32:9-10.

The Lord God (Christ) stands ready to destroy the whole house of Israel to start all over and begin again to build Moses ‘a great nation.’ Part of choosing an obstinate and totally ‘faithless’ people to become your ‘chosen race’ means dealing with idol worship, unbelief, murmuring, fornication and rejection of everything to do with the coming Messiah! Then God sends Israel the ‘spirit of stupor’ (Rom. 11:8) to make the situation even worse, which means God’s chosen race cannot be held accountable for what God is doing to them from behind the great curtain of Oz …

D. God's judgment came upon Israel many times during the approximately 1500 years that the nation was under the Dispensation of Law. Among the more devastating calamities that befell here were:

1). The Assyrian Captivity (2 Kings 17:4-6; 15-18).
2). The Babylonian Captivity (2 Chron. 36:11-21).
3). The setting aside of Israel in unbelief at the stoning of Stephen (Acts 7).

You keep speaking about Israel under Mosaic Law in the ‘past tense,’ as if Israel is no longer under the Law! Israel was in ‘no way’ set aside at the stoning of Steven in Acts 7. Peter’s Kingdom Church continues to grow throughout Acts, as even Paul is ‘preaching the kingdom’ (Acts 20:25) to gather many Kingdom Disciples to Peter’s Kingdom Church with members even gathering among the Corinthians where a lot of water baptizing is going on (1Cor. 1:10-16.) The ‘disciples’ that Paul helped with the second and third Kingdom Baptisms (my Topic) in Acts 19:1-6 are added to Peter’s Kingdom Church from the sons of Israel, which tells you that the Kingdom Dispensation is still growing.

God’s judgment upon Israel is executed by the Romans in 70 AD, which is about 40 years after they rejected the earthly Messiah (John the Baptist = "Man of the Earth") and the Heavenly Messiah (Jesus Christ). Matthew 17:12.

Christ Is The Man Of Heaven And Adam Is The Man Of The Earth

In Christ Jesus,

Terral

 

[Terral]

Hi Dispy:

6. DISPENSATION OF GRACE;

A. God dispenses grace to the lost and dying world (Eph. 2:5; 3:2). [snip]

This statement is so wrong on so many levels. The ‘Dispensation of God’s Grace’ (Eph. 3:2) includes ONLY those people that obey OUR GOSPEL (#2). Period! The ‘Dispensation of God’s Grace’ is A HOUSEHOLD of believers from 2000 years ago (saved through Paul’s ministry) straight through to today, as the members of ‘Christ’s Body’ (Col. 1:24 = Church #2).

Christ is the Head of the Body (Col. 1:18) and holds an exalted position as He carries out His heavenly ministry (Phil. 2:9; Eph. 1:20-23).

Christ’s Kingdom is a “Heavenly Kingdom” (2Tim. 4:18 = my Topic) and David’s Kingdom is on this earth (Eze. 34:22-25, 37:24-28 = 'Man of the Earth').

Believer are baptized spiritually by the Holy Spirit into the Body of Christ (1Cor. 12:13) in contrast with those at Pentecost who were baptized by Christ with the Holy Ghost (Matt. 3:11; Acts 1:5).

Very good. The problem with your Stam-produced outline is that no provision or section is made for Peter’s Prophetic Kingdom Bride (Church #1) saved via the Gospel of the Kingdom that Christ is preaching throughout the Four Gospels (Matt. 4:17-23, Mark 1:14-15, etc.).

B. Men and women are responsible to receive the written Word of God by faith and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved (Acts 16:31). Salvation is obtained by grace through faith, not of works )Eph. 2:5-9).

That is certainly true for Paul’s ‘Word of the Cross’ (#2) gospel message, but NOT for the Gospel of that Kingdom that includes many ‘works.’

Member of the Body of Christ are responsible to preach Jesus Christ according to the revelation of the Mystery (Rom. 16:25; 1 Cor. 9:16-18) and "to make all see what is the fellowship of the mystery (Eph. 3:9) by doing the work of an evangelist (2 Tim. 4:5).

Very good. However, the work of the evangelist is only the beginning. Only then can the pastor and teacher begin their work of building the member of Christ’s body to maturity (Eph. 4:11-15). If the members of Christ's Body continue following the teaching of 'myths,' their maturity will never happen and they will continue standing in the stench of false teaching that gives them smoky garments (as through fire = 1Cor. 3:15) and little bronze rings rather than golden staff, crown, scepter, chest plate and sword at the Judgment. Resist the Holy Spirit and 'the truth' from your brother in Christ Jesus and see your rewards handed to him at the Judgment Seat of Christ (2Cor. 5:10).

C. To a very great degree men and women have failed to trust God; to believe His Word, and to receive His Son, Jesus Christ, as their savior.

Those people are ‘not’ part of the Dispensation of God’s Grace. They are unbelievers and have nothing in common with the members of Christ’s Body already seated in the heavenly places IN Christ Jesus. Eph. 2:6.

The Church today has failed miserably in even acknowledging the Mystery, let alone making it known. Sadly, it is repeating the same mistake made by early members of the Body when they forsook the message of the Apostle Paul (2 Tim. 1:15).

This member of Christ’s Body has written extensively on ‘The Mystery,’ with examples of my work showing up online in 2004 (here). My CF.com Topic on how my Mystery Diagrams work is here. Dispy is the one that has ‘failed miserably in even acknowledging the Mystery,’ when my work lays everything out in exact detail using color-coded charts to depict the witnesses of spirit (yellow), blood (red) and water (blue).

The Father (spirit witness), Son (blood witness) and Holy Spirit (water witness, Helper) follow the same exact three witness pattern as this creation:

That is the same precise three witness pattern of the Adam, the Human Family, Temple, Man and Scripture itself; all having a triune spirit, soul and body. The world authority on ‘The Mystery’ (my 'The Mystery Explained' manuscript is here) writes right here at CF.com in this Dispy Forum, but some have no clue.

D. The Dispensation of Grace will close when "the fullness of the Gentiles be come in" (Rom. 11:25).

No! The Dispensation of God’s Grace shall continue to the end of time for all of those called as ‘sons’ IN Christ Jesus. God will always deal with ‘sons’ differently than mere servants, or cherubs or anyone else in Creation!!!! The people making these crazy claims that the Dispensation of God’s Grace will end are trying to force ‘dispensations’ into becoming ‘times and epochs’ or periods of time; which is the erroneous use of the term (see Vine’s definition). The Dispensation of Mosaic Law HAS NOT ended and shall NEVER end; until the heavens and earth pass away (Matt. 5:17-19). God deals with Israel ON THE EARTH in one way (through the Law) and His sons in the Dispensation of God’s grace IN HEAVEN in a very different way. This is how God deals with ‘households’ using ‘house rules’ for individuals inside each of these ‘dispensations’ that is totally independent of TIME. The master of the house deals with his sons in one way and servants in another and the servants of others in yet another way, because all are members of different ‘dispensations/households’ that live under completely different sets of rules.

All the members of the Church which is his Body, living and dead will then "...be caught up together ...in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air..." (1 Thess. 4:17), and will appear before the Judgment Seat of Christ. At that time thorough review of their lives will indicate whether or not they have been faithful to the message of God's grace with which they been entrusted and called upon to proclaim (1Cor. 3:9-17; 2 Cor. 5:10,11; Eph. 3:9; Col. 1:27).

The Judgment of sons at the Judgment Seat of Christ is over good and bad ‘works’ done in this life to determine their position within the pyramid-like heavenly abode where Christ Himself is the Capstone (pic). Every member of Christ’s Body in that Heavenly Pyramid continues to be a part of the Dispensation of God’s Grace that continues to the end of time throughout all the ages to come.

Our Rapture begins the 1000 Year Day of the Lord (in blue), when Elijah appears and preaching the ‘Gospel of the Kingdom’ for gathering the ‘late rains’ (James 5:7) Kingdom Bride; just like John the Baptist some 2000 years ago.

Those unsaved living after the close of this Dispensation will go into the seven year tribulation.

No sir. There is no such thing as the ‘close’ of the Dispensation of God’s Grace, so long as ‘sons’ continue to exist in this universe (see Romans 8:18-22). The Dispensation of God’s Grace goes right with us to heaven from where we judge the world and the angels (1Cor. 6:2-3). The seven years of tribulation take place about 1000 years from now at the END of the Age and only after the ‘Gospel of the Kingdom’ has gone to the whole world (Matt. 24:14). Only then does the antichrist appear (Matt. 24:15), so that the Son of Man can return (Matt. 24:30-31) to judge the Living (Matt. 25:31-34) and the dead (Rev. 20:11-15). THEN heaven and earth pass away for the New Earth and New Heavens to begin the New Age of Revelation 21.

The unsaved who die during this Dispensation will join the other unsaved dead of all ages at the Great White Throne to be cast into the lake of fire. (Rev. 20:11-15).

That is so wrong on so many levels! The unsaved are NOT part of the Dispensation of God’s Grace! Say that to yourself a hundred times and perhaps the truth will begin to sink in. The first thing that anyone must do in order to become part of the Dispensation of God’s Grace is obey the gospel!!!! That is the time that the Holy Spirit Himself baptizes the believer into the Body of Christ (Gal. 3:27), so that he can become an active participant in Christ’s death, burial and ultimate ‘resurrection!’ Most professing Dispensationalists fail to realize that the members of Christ’s Body are a special people of judges and rulers (kings), BUT there are MANY people going to heaven that are not members of Christ’s Body at all. Paul writes,

“But do you suppose this, O man, when you pass judgment on those who practice such things and do the same yourself, that you will escape the judgment of God? Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance? But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, who WILL RENDER TO EACH PERSON ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS: to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life; ‘but’ to those who are selfishly ambitious and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, wrath and indignation.” Romans 2:3-8.

Becoming a ruler/judge member of Christ’s Body is ONLY possible by obeying our gospel. However, mere citizens in heaven are chosen by doing good over those who deliberately and maliciously do evil. The members of Christ’s Body have an ‘unconditional’ place IN Christ Jesus for all the ages to come for God to deal with each individual member AS A SON in the Beloved. However, mere citizens in heaven have a ‘conditional’ relationship with God where they can ascend to higher positions in heaven, OR screw things up so badly as to be temporarily kicked out of heaven, OR kicked out of heaven forever.

“There will be tribulation and distress for every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek, but glory and honor and peace to everyone who does good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. For there is no partiality with God. For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law, ‘and’ all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law; for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified.” Romans 2:9-13.

Right here we can see that ‘doers of the Law WILL BE JUSTIFIED,’ because Paul is talking about mere inhabitants of heaven that represent a completely different ‘household’ from the members of Christ’s Body! There is a place in heaven for ‘doers of the Law,’ just like ‘those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life’ above. However, again, do not think for one minute that doing good and doing the Law will get anybody IN Christ Jesus and into the Dispensation of God’s Grace, because the ground rules for being baptized into Christ (Gal. 3:27) to be seated in the heavenly places IN Christ Jesus (Eph. 2:6) are very different for rulers and judges than for mere inhabitants of heaven.

In Christ Jesus,

Terral

 

[Terral]

Hi Dispy:

7. DISPENSATION OF DIVINE GOVERNMENT: (The age of the Jewish nation continues.)

A. God will dispense both wrath and justice upon the world which has rejected His son (Psa. 2:1-12).

God's prophetic Program, which was temporarily interrupted when the Dispensation of Grace began, will resume at "the time of Jacob's trouble" (Jer. 30:7). Thus Israel will again be in view as the world endures seven years of Tribulation (Rev. 7:1-8.

No sir.

The 1000 Year Day of the Lord (in blue) must ‘begin’ for the same 1000 Year Period to END some 1000 years LATER. You have the END of the Age events (Matt. 24) taking place before the 1000 Years is complete. Elijah must return to restore all things (Matt. 17:10-11), as the ‘prophet’ of Acts 3:22-26, before that ‘restored’ kingdom can be made desolate by Satan and his antichrist (Matt. 24:15) very near the END of the Age. The ‘Tabernacle of David’ must be restored first (Acts 15:16-18), before Satan and his boy-child Beast can appear to cut off the Messiah/David (Dan. 9:26) at the END of the age some 1000 years later. Scripture says,

"Then I will set over them one shepherd, My servant David, and he will feed them; he will feed them himself and be their shepherd. And I, the LORD [Christ], will be their God [Heb. 1:8], and My servant David will be prince among them; I the LORD have spoken. I will make a covenant of peace with them [Heb. 8:8-12] and eliminate harmful beasts from the land so that they may live securely in the wilderness and sleep in the woods.” Ezekiel 34:23-25.

The Lamb of God has His Kingdom in heaven and David has his corresponding Kingdom ‘on earth AS IT IS in heaven.’ That kingdom on earth lasts for the same 1000 years that the devil is chained (Rev. 20:1-2), until he is released for a short time (Rev. 20:3) at the END of the age. Also, the earth has endured the same ‘evil age’ (Gal. 1:4) since this darkness (Eph. 6:12) fell in Genesis 1:2, which means there is no such thing as any “Age of the Jewish Nation,” or “Age of Grace” or any other such nonsense.

The ‘Dispensation’ that continues is the “Kingdom Dispensation” (in blue) started under John the Baptist (Elijah/Adam) that was ‘cut off’ when John had to ‘decrease’ (Jn 3:30), so Christ’s Heavenly Dispensation could increase. Peter, John and James were called to join Christ’s Heavenly Kingdom, as a Kingdom of Priests; while John continued to have disciples called to the Kingdom of God on earth AS IT IS in heaven.

Peter, John, James and everyone called to God through the Gospel of the Kingdom some 2000 years ago will be raised with us (Body of Christ) to stand ‘before the throne’ (Rev. 7:14-16), until all the disciples from the ‘late rains’ bride (under Elijah/David) join them on the sea of glass. When all the Kingdom Disciples are martyred (Matt. 24:9) at the END of the Age, then the two groups (early and late rains bride) will be gathered together for the Marriage Supper of the Lamb (Rev. 19:5-10), so they can join us when the Son of Man returns in Matthew 24:30-31. However, Elijah/David must return to restore the Kingdom to Israel (see Acts 1:6 again), BEFORE that restored kingdom can be destroyed by Satan at the end of the age.

You guys must realize all of this destruction is going on ‘before’ the Son of Man returns in Matthew 24:30-31, which means the restoration of the kingdom and the Temple HAD TO COME FIRST. The common mistake of all professing Dispensationalists is you fail to realize that Elijah is the prophet of Acts 3:22-26 coming to restore the Tabernacle of David (pic) on this earth, while the Lamb has His corresponding Kingdom IN HEAVEN. But hey, I have explained this too many times and your rewards will look very good on my heavenly garments. ;0)

The great tribulation is a prelude to the coming Millennial Kingdom and has as it purpose the overthrowing of the kingdoms of the world and the establishment of "the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ" (Rev. 11:15), and will close with the Second Coming of Christ (Jer. 30:7; Isa. 24:1; Ezek. 38:14-23, Matt. 24:29,30.

No sir. Again, the Great Tribulation (Matt. 24:21+, Rev. 7:14) takes place at the END of the Age, just before the Son of Man returns (Matt. 24:30-31) to judge the living (Matt. 25:31-34) and the dead (Rev. 20:11-15). There is NO TIME for yet another 1000 Year Kingdom Period that HAS JUST ENDED with the cutting off of David (the Messiah = Dan. 9:26) and all the END of the Age events of Matthew 24:3-31. Most professing Dispy’s want to give Jesus Christ a temporary 1000 Year Kingdom ON THIS EARTH, which is nothing more than a MYTH that perpetuates from ignorance of what is written in God’s Living Word.

The Second Coming of Christ will initiate His reign as king for a period of 1000 years (Rev. 20:4,5,7).

No sir. Since you insist on selling this complete fabricated LIE, then tell us HOW that temporary kingdom ENDS in just 1000 years?? Who is going to come along and remove Christ from His throne? Go right ahead and start explaining, because you can’t! David’s temporary 1000 Year Kingdom ends with the appearance of Satan and his antichrist, which is taking place when the Son of Man returns in Matthew 24:30-31. That is why we see a dozen mentions of ‘desolate’ and 'desolation’ between the installation of David on his throne in Ezekiel 34:23-25 and the resurrection of the ‘whole house of Israel’ in Ezekiel 37:11-12. Only then is ‘David’ restored as king ‘forever’ in Ezekiel 37:24-28 in the Kingdom of God on the New Earth (Rev. 21:1+ = lower left) with the Lamb’s Kingdom in New Jerusalem IN HEAVEN.

During His reign the throne of David will be established (2 Sam. 7:16; Matt. 19:28; Acts 2:30). Justice will fill the earth (Jere. 23:5,6); peace will prevail (Isa. 9:6,7), and the Abrahamic, Davidic, and Palestinian Covenants will be fulfilled.

David’s throne was established back in Ezekiel 34 ‘first’ for the 1000 Year Day of the Lord (in blue).

THEN, we see the END of the Age events that make David’s Kingdom ‘desolate,’ which leads to the END of the Age and the Judgment of Rev. 20:11-15. Only then is David raised again (Jer. 30:9) AFTER the Time of Jacob’s Trouble (seven years of tribulation), so the Lamb’s Kingdom is in New Jerusalem (above) and David’s Kingdom is on the New Earth ‘as it is’ in heaven.

B. It will be Israel's responsibility to declare that Christ is indeed the Messiah of Israel.

Everyone saved via the ‘Gospel of the Kingdom’ for the entire 1000 Year Day of the Lord MUST acknowledge Jesus as Lord to receive the ‘second’ kingdom baptism; BEFORE they can receive the Holy Spirit by the laying of hands (my Topic). The “Messiah of Israel” in heaven is the Lamb of God, while the Messiah on the earth is David/Elijah/Abraham/John the Baptist who is none other than your father Adam. ;0)

Repentance and baptism will again be preached (Mark 16:15,16; Acts 2:38; cf. Rev. 9:21) and certain aspects of the Law, such as the Sabbath, must again be observed (Matt. 24:20).

Certain aspects of the Law??? No sir! Israel on the earth and in David’s Kingdom will keep the WHOLE LAW (James 2:10) and every precept teaching Mosaic Law that includes animal sacrifices and the whole nine yards! Matthew 5:17-19, 19:16-17.

C. In the face of almost unbelievable judgment men will blaspheme God during the tribulation (Rev. 16:11,21) and in the Millennial Kingdom will continue to sin against God (Isa. 65:20).

Every Kingdom Disciple saved via the Gospel of the Kingdom is martyred at the END of the Age (Matt. 24:9), which means everyone remaining belongs to a different household. You should expect that Satan’s ‘your seed’ and the ‘sons of disobedience’ are going to blaspheme against God to the very end. The two witnesses that are last (Rev. 11) are the first (Adam and Eve) to join the Body of Christ ‘and’ the Bride of Christ IN HEAVEN, so we all can return with the Son of Man at the END of the Age. Matt. 24:30-31.

Although the Lord Jesus Christ rules in righteousness for 1000 years, there will be those who rebel at the end of the millennium and challenge His authority (Reve. 20:7-9).

Nonsense! You quote Revelation 20 with total disregard that the “Lamb” has been in the ‘center of the throne’ (Rev. 7:17) on the “Lord’s Day” (Rev. 1:10) that started way back in Revelation 1!!!! David is the Messiah ‘cut off’ on the earth, while the Lamb returns at the END of the Age to make war with Satan’s sons and judge everyone involved!

D. With the Church, the body of Christ, seated with Him in the heavenlies, the Kingdom Age will be consummated of all the previous ages and there will be a number of judgments.

Make up your mind! You have Christ on an earthly throne ‘and’ seated in the heavenly places for the same 1000 Year Kingdom Period and ‘David’ is apparently left out of the equation. Now you are again assigning a “Kingdom Age” (erroneous phrase) to a Kingdom ‘Dispensation’ that includes a Kingdom ‘Household’ of believers in the ‘Gospel of the Kingdom’ gathered throughout this temporary 1000-year Kingdom Period. There is exactly one judgment of ‘sons’ that begins the 1000 Year Day of the Lord (2Cor. 5:10) and exactly one judgment of everybody else at the END of the Age (Matt. 25:31-34, Rev. 20:11-15).

The establishment of the "kingdoms our Lord, and His Christ" will be accomplished by the judging and chastening of Israel (Matthew 25:14-30), and the punishing of the nations (Matt. 25:31-46).

The judgment of Israel and the nations takes place in Revelation 20:11-15, before the New Earth and New Heavens appear to begin the New Age. Some among Israel will be given an inheritance in David’s earthly kingdom, while others will earn an inheritance in the Lamb’s Heavenly Kingdom in New Jerusalem (Rev. 21:1+).

At the end of the Millennial Kingdom, all of the unsaved of all the ages will stand before the Great White Throne of God and be condemned to spend eternity in the lake of fire (Rev. 20:11-15).

There is exactly one ‘end’ to the 1000 Year Kingdom Period that began in Revelation 1 and ends right here in Revelation 20. Satan is chained/bound by the ‘voice of the Archangel’ (1Thes. 4:16) that sounds with the ‘trumpet’ (1Cor. 15:52, 1Thes. 4:16) sounding off ‘behind’ John in Revelation 1:10. Satan is then released to END that 1000 Year Period in Revelation 20:3, so his ‘short time’ events (Matt. 24) can END the Age. Then we have the Judgment (Rev. 20:11-15), so the New Age can begin in Revelation 21.

The great day of the Lord will close when the heavens and earth are consumed with fire, as God prepares to execute His eternal purpose (2 Peter 3:10; Eph. 1:10).

The “Lord’s Day” (Day of the Lord) begins in Revelation 1 and ends in Revelation 20 with the Judgment.

In Christ Jesus,

Terral

 

[Terral]

Hi Dispy:

8. DISPENSATION OF THE FULNESS OF TIME; ( Many do not consider this a dispensation.)

You are making reference to Paul's descriptions in Ephesians 1:9-10:

"He made known to us [Body of Christ] the mystery of His will, according to His kind intention which He purposed 'in' Him [Christ Jesus] with a view to an administration suitable to the fullness of the times, that is, the summing up of all things 'in' Christ, things in the heavens and things on the earth." Ephesians 1:9-10.

"IN" Christ Jesus [blood witness] is the place where all things in the heavens [spirit witness] 'and' earth (water witness = 2Peter 3:5) will be summed up throughout all the 'ages to come.'

When Paul says that God made known 'to us' the mystery of His will, then he is talking specifically about the 'Body of Christ' and those of us already seated IN the heavenly places that are IN Christ Jesus (Eph. 2:6). Therefore, 'professing' Christians that are not IN Christ Jesus will have no clue as to what I am even talking about. Only the CF.com members with 'Christ IN you' (Col. 1:27 = Fig 2) have the capacity to understand 'these things' (2Peter 3:14-16) associated with what Paul calls 'The Mystery' (Eph. 3:3).

In every case, a spirit witness host is married to a water witness host, so the two intertwine for summing up IN a blood witness host that mirrors and represents the original Singularity. Looking at Figure 1, God is represented by God To Come (spirit in yellow), God Who Is (blood witness in red) and God Who Was (water witness in blue) who is represented in Revelation 1:8 as "The Almighty" (pic). God's Mystery is Christ (Col. 2:2) Jesus, because IN Him everything in this universe (Heavens, Heaven and Earth) is being summed up IN Christ Jesus (F+S+HS) who is the 'image of God' (Col. 1:15) represented in Matthew 28:19 (pic).

Figure 2 shows how all things in 'this universe' (heavens and earth) are being summed up IN Christ, as the "Lamb of God" in "Heaven" where you see the "Body of Christ." The "Mystery of Christ" (Eph. 3:4, Col. 4:3) is a subset, microcosm or 'smaller version' of the larger 'God's Mystery' shown more clearly in this diagram:

This is a duplicate of the same diagram above, but after Revelation 21:1 and the picture is turned 90 degrees to show 'God's Mystery' vertical through these three different realms (God's Infinite Realm at top, Heaven Realm in middle and Adamic Realm below). All the men in the world will eventually make the trek up Jacob's Ladder to serve the Lamb in heaven, as their angelic counterpart descended on the far side of the throne from the 'heavens.' The man and angel halves are put back together in a 'marriage' that is the "Marriage Supper of the Lamb" (Rev. 19:5-10) that ends every age for all the ages to come.

Those of us already IN Christ Jesus are seated in the heavenly places around God's Throne in the "Kingdom of His Beloved Son" (Col. 1:13), while Kingdom Disciples stand with Peter, John and James in the 'Body of Moses' serving the Lamb; until they finally join us through the covenant of Marriage. The Dispensation/Administration for the Fullness of Times is represented by the red area around God's Throne in the "Highest Heaven" that shall remain in effect to the 'ages of the ages' or to the end of time itself; and so long as an adopted 'son of God' remains in Heaven.

All things being summed up IN Christ in this universe (heavens and earth) is a smaller version of this entire universe being summed up IN Christ Jesus (infinite and finite hosts), which is God's Mystery taking place in the almost infinite universe that contains this Adamic Universe. The summing up of Gentiles and Jews IN the Body of Christ (Fig 3 of top diagram) is another microcosm (smaller version) of God's Mystery and the Mystery of Christ that gathered these two groups into the 'one body' (1Cor. 12:12-14), so we can become members of one another (Rom. 12:4-5) ... again ... ;0)

A. All saints will live through eternity in perfect harmony with one another, and since all things have been gathered together in Christ, it seems likely that the heaven and the earth will be open to all the redeemed of all ages. God will be all in all (cur 5:9).

In reality, the members of Christ's Body will continue in direct competition for the higher positions IN Christ Jesus near the top of the Pyramid-like House of God (pic). You will continue washing and washing and washing out your heavenly garments of smoky works and all 'water witness signs' (bronze, blue, dull stones) in favor of receiving a perfectly white garment with spirit and blood witness signs (golden/yellow and red clear-cut stones with sharp edged) making up your heavenly ephod (pic); that will eventually take on the shape of the 'sign of the cross.' The sons of God will raise their position in Christ Jesus, while others will be lowered to assume lower positions in the body in a process that carries on throughout all the ages to come.

B. All will serve Him with gladness (Cora:9).

On the contrary, we will be served as members of the Lamb of God and 'sons of the Living God,' by Kingdom Disciples that serve the Lamb (us) for all the ages to come. We shall walk among the inhabitants of heaven who will crowd around us to receive blessings of every kind. Their faces and garments will light up and shine, just from standing in our presence and receiving the glory of the Holy Spirit upon themselves. These heavenly witnesses shall then move about among their heavenly brethren who see the glow upon their faces and know for a fact that they have been in the presence of a son of the Living God. The Light from God and His Son shall be dispensed through every son of God to all the hosts in this universe, until the world itself puts on the glory of the children of God (Rom. 8:19) for which Creation now groans in anticipation.

C. There will be no more failures.

For whom? Satan's evil 'your seed' (Gen. 3:15) shall continue springing up among 'her seed' for all the ages, until eventually they are all thrown into the lake of fire. David's goal is to ensure that none get passed him to ascend up Jacob's Ladder to appear before the Lamb of God, which would represent a definite failure that must be rectified by the Lord God in heaven.

D. There will be no more judgment.

Nonsense. There is a judgment for the Body of Christ that ends every age, when some members go up and others go down in the Pyramid-like Temple of the Living God in heaven. The sons of God will pay a king's ransom to their wiser brethren to become 'tutors' (1Cor. 4:15) in Christ Jesus, so that perhaps they can obtain a needed reward (jewel for staff, scepter, breast plate and/or crown) and elevate their position in the House of God during the upcoming Age. You have the opportunity right now to take the advice of the son of man and elevate your position IN The Beloved, but nobody appears to have maturity enough to ask an intelligent question ...

"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying; neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." (Rev 21:4).

God wipes away the tears of 'water witness' Kingdom Disciples living in the 'water witness' section of New Jerusalem that is outside the gates of where the members of Christ's Body (that's us) live in the Mountain of God. Revelation 21 marks just the first of many ages to come and this creation continues being remade in a 'water witness' image (like your physical body) for thousands of ages. However, the day is coming when this universe will put on the image of a 'blood witness' host; when the 'soul' becomes the visible witness on full display in the newly-formed universe. The 'soul' will then become the visible body of human hosts in this universe, while the spirit and physical body remain very much invisible and this Creation will begin singing a totally new song indeed. ;0)

In Christ Jesus,

Terral

 

[Terral]

Hi Dispy:

Terral: I quit reading your postings some time ago as when I try to figure out you circles, they are too difficult for me to understand.

In other words, when unbelievers and immature members of Christ's Body stumble over your interpretations of Scripture, the answer is to quit reading. That is preposterous and you know it. The fact is that cutting and pasting the work of others is very easy for anyone, but defending any argument using God's Word is the 'high road' rarely traveled by the fleshy/infant members (1Cor. 3:1-3) of our mystery church. The 'circles' in my diagrams are explained here where everyone is encouraged to 'quote >>' anything and ask questions.

This diagram shows how the Tabernacle of Moses and the Temple are 'trinue' and have the same 'image of a man' with a spirit, soul and body.

This diagram shows how The Word (Logos) has the same exact three witness pattern of a spirit (Father), soul (Son) and body (Holy Spirit) that Paul calls "Christ Jesus" (my Topic). The truth about those of us really IN Christ Jesus is explained here, but that is just more 'rightly divided' Bible interpretation of the Mystery of Christ that most will completely ignore.

The fact is that the apostles and prophets and those at the very top of the Pyramid-like Heavenly Body of Christ Temple were born 2000 years ago with Paul, Barnabas and Titus. The people born today represent the dull stones (hard of hearing) at the bottom of the pyramid and the son of man may as well be shouting at the Wailing Wall ...

As a retired photographer I will use a photographic term that they are circles of confusion, which are out of focus images of a point.

Simple math is very confusing for a first-grader too, but eventually they ask enough questions to figure things out. The fact is that Dispy remains in deliberate denial of the truths learned from my writings on 'The Mystery' topic, and you would rather cast stones than ask an intelligent question.

I have not responded to any of your postings, and will not start now. You can believe what you wish, and I will ignore anything you write.

Spoken like a real 'unbeliever.' That is the model of all unbelievers on the planet who resist the Holy Spirit in favor of serving their own desires. Just keep pasting Stam's error-filled mix of Kingdom and Grace Doctrine and see how the rewards fall at the Judgment and be prepared for a big fat surprise. Riddle me this:

Who in God's Living Word did God allow to see His Completed Scriptures?

The answer is nobody. Moses saw in part and John the Baptist saw in part and even Paul saw in part, but somebody (Acts 3:22-23) is coming to make sense of everything. Guess what?

Your Bible is "Living" and "Active" and also has a 'trinue' nature like the Father, Son and Holy Spirit and ALL of God's Witnesses (diagram and diagram). Therefore, pray like heck that Terral is not that somebody, or somebody else is in a lot of trouble ... ;0)

In Christ Jesus,

Terral

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Terral:
I quit reading your postings some time ago as when I try to figure out you circles, they are too difficult for me to understand. As a retired photographer I will use a photographic term that they are circles of confusion, which are out of focus images of a point.

I have not responded to any of your postings, and will not start now. You can believe what you wish, and I will ignore anything you write.

I find his posts quite interesting myself

 

[Biblewriter]

Hi Dispy:



In other words, when unbelievers and immature members of Christ's Body stumble over your interpretations of Scripture, the answer is to quit reading. That is preposterous and you know it. The fact is that cutting and pasting the work of others is very easy for anyone, but defending any argument using God's Word is the 'high road' rarely traveled by the fleshy/infant members (1Cor. 3:1-3) of our mystery church. The 'circles' in my diagrams are explained here where everyone is encouraged to 'quote >>' anything and ask questions.

This diagram shows how the Tabernacle of Moses and the Temple are 'trinue' and have the same 'image of a man' with a spirit, soul and body.

This diagram shows how The Word (Logos) has the same exact three witness pattern of a spirit (Father), soul (Son) and body (Holy Spirit) that Paul calls "Christ Jesus" (my Topic). The truth about those of us really IN Christ Jesus is explained here, but that is just more 'rightly divided' Bible interpretation of the Mystery of Christ that most will completely ignore.

The fact is that the apostles and prophets and those at the very top of the Pyramid-like Heavenly Body of Christ Temple were born 2000 years ago with Paul, Barnabas and Titus. The people born today represent the dull stones (hard of hearing) at the bottom of the pyramid and the son of man may as well be shouting at the Wailing Wall ...



Simple math is very confusing for a first-grader too, but eventually they ask enough questions to figure things out. The fact is that Dispy remains in deliberate denial of the truths learned from my writings on 'The Mystery' topic, and you would rather cast stones than ask an intelligent question.



Spoken like a real 'unbeliever.' That is the model of all unbelievers on the planet who resist the Holy Spirit in favor of serving their own desires. Just keep pasting Stam's error-filled mix of Kingdom and Grace Doctrine and see how the rewards fall at the Judgment and be prepared for a big fat surprise. Riddle me this:

Who in God's Living Word did God allow to see His Completed Scriptures?

The answer is nobody. Moses saw in part and John the Baptist saw in part and even Paul saw in part, but somebody (Acts 3:22-23) is coming to make sense of everything. Guess what?

Your Bible is "Living" and "Active" and also has a 'trinue' nature like the Father, Son and Holy Spirit and ALL of God's Witnesses (diagram and diagram). Therefore, pray like heck that Terral is not that somebody, or somebody else is in a lot of trouble ... ;0)

In Christ Jesus,

Terral

I am amazed at the arrogance of some who post regularly in Christian forums.

Anyone who does not agree with this poster is either an unbeliever or is an immature member of Christ's body!

I agree with dipsy that almost every post from this poster is so complicated that it is basically incomprehensible. I have suggested that he break down his ideas into bite size so we can understand what he is saying without an inordinate amount of effort. But he has not responded.

I will not even bother to try and figure out what he is saying, because I have better things to do than to devote hours to studying complicated diagrams instead of studying the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make me wise unto salvation.

But occasionally his posts contain bits of comments that show that he is advancing unique doctrines that seem to be held only by himself, and denials that the scriptures mean what they explicitly say, as that there is a future reign of Christ on this earth that will last a thousand years. The fact that the scriptures explicitly say this six times over in just a few verses makes no dent in his highly diagrammed armor.

I feel sorry for you Terral.

 

[Terral]

Hi Biblewriter:

I am amazed at the arrogance of some who post regularly in Christian forums.

Knowledge makes arrogant as a Bible axiom (1Cor. 8:1), because all the other possibilities are eliminated from the interpretation equation. Arrogance is addressing my person rather than quoting from 'my work' to offer your rebuttal using Scripture. That point was made in Post #4:

BTW, Dispy posted more C.R. Stam commentary on my ‘Two Churches’ topic in post #31 (here), for which I started the “Dispy’s C.R. Stam Theology Debate” Topic here, but all our resident Ultra-Dispensationalist can muster for a defense is to claim that I teach a ‘scrambled egg’ doctrine. :0) Once again I will ‘quote >>’ Ultra-Dispy Theology to point out the obvious errors using Scripture and Dispy will resign himself to attacking my person without any ability to defend a single word.

My prophecy stated that my debating adversary would attack my person (Post #7) without any ability to defend a single word of C.R. Stam's work and that proved to be true. Perhaps Biblewriter would like to stand in and offer defending arguments in Dispy's place? ;0)

Anyone who does not agree with this poster is either an unbeliever or is an immature member of Christ's body!

No sir. My statement was very specific and pointing directly to the CF.com registered member named Dispy that we all have come to know and love; even if I wish he would take a stand and defend the statements in his cut-and-paste work of others. At least Dispy was trying to paste something that 'is' on the topic, while your post here seeks only to attack my person. Shame, shame ...

Dispy and I have a history and his practice is to cut-and-paste the work of others on my topics to offer no reply when everything is refuted word for word.

I agree with dipsy that almost every post from this poster is so complicated that it is basically incomprehensible.

Bullony!

Two Gospels of the New Testament

Two Churches of the New Testament

Four Baptisms of the New Testament

Ninety percent of my work is limited to posting in the 'Dispensationalism' Forum, because the impetus is upon the 'differences' between Kingdom Doctrine for the Kingdom Bride (under Peter) and Grace Doctrine for the Mystery Body of Christ (under Paul). Perhaps the substance of my work would be considered complicated in the Roman Catholic Forum or in other parts of the CF.com Board, but this particular Forum is dedicated specifically for registered members that 'divide' Scripture according to different 'dispensations.'

The first thing you notice about these three topics is there are no diagrams at all. If anyone finds any errors in my work, then simply quote something and offer your interpretations using Scripture and we have ourselves a debate. However, if things appear too complicated, then everyone has the option of quoting from my work to ask ... any ... question that comes to mind. Many people would find Dispy's paste job (Post #3) very complicated, but I sat down and offered a rebuttal to each section using Scripture and diagrams; because at least one CF.com registered member 'does' know something about God's Living Word 'rightly divided' according to the three primary dispensations (Israel, Kingdom Bride and Mystery Body).

I have suggested that he break down his ideas into bite size so we can understand what he is saying without an inordinate amount of effort. But he has not responded.

Quote anything you wish from any of my posts and offer your rebuttal, counterproposal, or ask your questions.

I will not even bother to try and figure out what he is saying, because I have better things to do than to devote hours to studying complicated diagrams instead of studying the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make me wise unto salvation.

Again, the three primary topics (gospel, churches, baptism) contain NO diagrams and every word is supported by Scripture. 2Tim. 2:15. Your complaint appears to be that Dispy and Biblewriter are babes in Christ and my work is simply college-level work for a bunch of whining first-graders. The substance of my work illustrates the very things that are written upon the hallways, doors, walls and standards in Heaven, which is the inner chambers of the Temple of God in the Highest Heaven. Scripture says,

"I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by His appearing and His kingdom: preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths." 2Timothy 4:1-4.

My job here is to answer Paul's 'solemn charge' in the presence of God and Christ Jesus to reprove, rebuke and exhort with 'great patience and instruction' and to dispel the 'myths' of the ear ticklers around here using Scripture and diagrams to be very best of my God-given ability. Biblewriter should be answering the Opening Post, or setting the record straight in any place you see errors for the benefit of the Topic Starter and everyone that reads our posts for years to come. The idea that I will dumb down my work to accommodate whining and crying is ridiculous. Every member of Christ's Body will stand and be judged for his 'deeds in the body' (good or bad = 2Cor. 5:10) and receive his rewards (1Cor. 3:12-15) accordingly and my posts are drafted with heavenly rewards in mind ...

But occasionally his posts contain bits of comments that show that he is advancing unique doctrines that seem to be held only by himself, and denials that the scriptures mean what they explicitly say, as that there is a future reign of Christ on this earth that will last a thousand years.

Again, do not be bashful, but simply "quote >>" anything from my work (like Christ's Heavenly Kingdom Topic) and challenge anything at all using Scripture, diagrams and anything you consider to be credible evidence to make your case. Then remember what Scripture says:

For there (A)must also be factions among you, (B)so that those who are approved [2Tim. 2:15] may become evident among you. 1Corinthians 11:19.

The fact that the scriptures explicitly say this six times over in just a few verses makes no dent in his highly diagrammed armor.

Biblewriter has just as much right to offer wrong interpretations of Scripture as anybody else. Jesus Christ Himself says:

"Jesus answered, "My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdom is not of this realm." John 18:36.

Paul writes Timothy and tells us 'the truth,' saying,

"The Lord will rescue me from every evil deed, and will (A)bring me safely to His (B)Heavenly Kingdom; (C)to Him be the glory forever and ever. Amen." 2Timothy 4:18.

Jesus Christ has a 'Heavenly Kingdom,' which agrees 100 percent with 'my' interpretation of God's Living Word. However, Scripture 'does' say that 'David' will sit upon an earthly throne for a temporary period (Eze. 34:23-25) and then 'forever' (Eze. 37:24-28) only 'after' the Whole House of Israel is resurrected in Eze. 37:11-12. And, guess what? That agrees 100 percent with Jeremiah 30:7-9:

'Alas! for that (A)day is great, There is (B)none like it; And it is the time of Jacob's (C)distress, But he will be (D)saved from it. 'It shall come about on that day,' declares the LORD of hosts, 'that I will (E)break his yoke from off their neck and will tear off their (F)bonds; and strangers will no longer (G)make them their slaves. 'But they shall serve the LORD their God and (H)David their king, whom I will raise up for them." Jer.30:7-9.

Now Biblewriter has said that Scripture places Jesus Christ upon an 'earthly throne' in six places, so now the time has come to 'prove it' using Scripture. ;0)

I feel sorry for you Terral.

For me? You are the one interrupting our deliberations with whining and crying about Terral using no Scripture and never addressing the Topic even once. You are the one with his foot in his mouth and now responsible for finding six places in Scripture where Christ sits upon a mere earthly throne, as if Adam was created for SOMETHING ELSE way back in the beginning (Gen. 2:7). The Lord God (Christ) has a throne IN HEAVEN and this world (universe) is HIS FOOTSTOOL (Isa. 66:1).

The Topic on how my mystery diagrams work is here if Biblewriter wants to start a debate or ask questions.

In Christ Jesus,

Terral

 

[Biblewriter]

Hi Biblewriter:



Knowledge makes arrogant as a Bible axiom (1Cor. 8:1), because all the other possibilities are eliminated from the interpretation equation.

You refer to only a part of this passage.
1 Corinthians 8
Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth.
And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.

Yes, knowledge puffs up. You have clearly demonstrated this. But love edifies. Your posts do not show love, and do not edify. They are usually so complicated that almost no one even reads them.

But this same scripture clearly says that you know nothing yet as you ought to know.

My prophecy stated that my debating adversary would attack my person (Post #7) without any ability to defend a single word of C.R. Stam's work and that proved to be true.

Prophecy???? this word means speaking the very words of God. You have not done this.

Perhaps Biblewriter would like to stand in and offer defending arguments in Dispy's place? ;0)

I am not even interested in the subject.

Now Biblewriter has said that Scripture places Jesus Christ upon an 'earthly throne' in six places, so now the time has come to 'prove it' using Scripture. ;0)

I will not even bother with the rest of your post, but I did not say that scripture says in six places that Jesus Christ will sit upon an earthly throne. I said that Revelation 20 clearly states in six places that the future kingdom age will last a thousand years.

 

[Terral]

Hi Biblewriter with Dispy mentioned:

You refer to only a part of this passage.
1 Corinthians 8
Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth.
And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.

Yes, knowledge puffs up. You have clearly demonstrated this.

Perhaps the lingo above meant something to people living in the 1600's over in England somewhere. Scripture says,

"Now concerning (A)things sacrificed to idols, we know that we all have (B)knowledge. Knowledge (C)makes arrogant, but love (D)edifies." 1Corinthians 8:1.

Again, one of us 'is' writing on the "Understanding The Dispensations" Topic and one of us is trying to attack Terral with puffed up nonsense. My point above is that 'knowledge' does indeed make arrogant. There is no disputing the fact that Dispy, Biblewriter and all of my debating opponents in these deliberations are severely outgunned; which this side of the discussion freely admits.

But love edifies. Your posts do not show love, and do not edify.

My posts dispense rightly divided 'Grace Doctrine' and 'the truth' to the members of Christ's Body free of charge. If you are looking for love, then perhaps a good dating site will find the Biblewriter a good mate. The fact is that Biblewriter is deliberately using Paul's words out of context, as if everyone here belongs to the same called-out congregation; which we most certainly DO NOT. Dispy and Biblewriter and most everyone writing in the CF.com Dispy Forum (with a few exceptions) are my debating 'adversaries' that would rather attack me than debate the topic.

Paul is saying that 'love edifies' those in your 'own congregation,' when my work here is 'against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places' requiring the 'full armor of God' with loins girded with 'the truth' and the 'breastplate of righteousness,' and feet shod with the 'preparation of the gospel of peace,' and the 'shield of faith,' the 'helmet of salvation, and the sword of the spirit, which is the word of God.' Eph. 6:12-17.

They are usually so complicated that almost no one even reads them.

And Dispy and Biblewriter cannot gather enough information from my work to begin asking educated questions. That sounds like a problem with Dispy and Biblewriter and not this side of the discussion ...

But this same scripture clearly says that you know nothing yet as you ought to know.

No sir. The people living 2000 years ago never had the opportunity to see the completed Scriptures, which Paul is going to write about to these Corinthians in Chapter 13 of the Epistle that you just quoted.

"Love never fails; but if there are gifts of (S)prophecy, they will be done away; if there are (T)tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away. For 'we' (U)know in part and 'we' prophesy in part; but when the perfect [completed Word of God] comes, the partial will be done away." 1Corinthians 13:8-10.

Someone 'is' coming (Elijah/David/Abraham/Joshua = your father Adam = "Man of the Earth") to explain EVERYTHING in God's Living Word through 'three witnesses' (1Jn 5:8) of spirit (OT), water (Kingdom NT) and blood (Pauline Epistles). The number of Scripture is the same number of 'man,' which is 'six.' The number of the OT is one (1), because the OT is the spirit witness exactly like your spirit, My Father who is IN HEAVEN, and the Holy of Holies of the Temple. The number of the Pauline Epistles (blood witness) is two (2) like your soul, the Son, and the Holy Place of the Temple. The number of the NT Kingdom Epistles is three (3) like your physical body, the Holy Spirit and the Court of the Tabernacle of Moses and the Temple. Added together the number of the spirit witness (1) and blood witness (2) and water witness (3) is 'six,' which is the number of man for the same exact reason (spirit + soul + body).

The diagram showing the three witnesses of man is here.
The diagram showing the three witnesses of The Word (F+S+HS) is here.
The diagram showing the three witnesses of The Tabernacle/Temple is here. Scripture is 'not' Two Testaments, but is 'three witnesses' ...

... of spirit (OT), water (Kingdom NT) and blood (Pauline Epistles). The OT is written to "Israel" of the flesh representing the Lord God's (Christ's) 'chosen race' and kingdom of priests (1Peter 2:9). The NT Kingdom Epistles (Matt-John, Hebrews-Revelation) are written to the early (under Peter) and late (under Elijah/David) rains "Prophetic Kingdom Bride" (Church #1) called to God via the 'Gospel of the Kingdom' (Gospel #1). The NT Pauline Epistles (Romans - Philemon) are written to the Mystery Body of Christ (Church #2) called to God via Paul's "Word of the Cross" (Gospel #2) gospel message.

The Kingdom Dispensation (under Peter and Elijah/David/Abraham) has exactly 'three' baptisms of water (John's/Father), blood (Christ/Son) and spirit (Holy Spirit) that allows each Kingdom Disciple to find "The Way" (Acts 9:2, etc.) into the Holy of Holies of the Temple to receive the Holy Spirit by the laying of hands (my Baptisms Topic). The Grace Dispensation (under Paul) has exactly 'one baptism' performed exclusively by the Holy Spirit Himself (1Cor. 12:12-14, etc.) who baptizes us into Christ (Gal. 3:27) on the cross; so we can become an active participant in His death, burial and resurrection. The members of Christ's Body (Paul, Barnabas, Titus = blood witness kings/rulers/judges) have many advantages over the Kingdom Disciples (Peter, John, James, etc. = water witness priests and judges over Israel only).

Those are the 'three' primary 'dispensations' taken from the Gentiles that God is dealing with through His Living and Triune Word. Try to find where Peter, John, James, Paul or anyone in the NT or OT reveals the 'trinue' nature of Scripture and how God's Living Word is literally filled to the brim with three witness mystery sets pointing back to a Singularity:

Prophecy???? this word means speaking the very words of God. You have not done this.

That is Biblewriter's uneducated opinion. Here is the deal in a nutshell: John the Baptist and Jesus Christ and Paul* came across many mockers that scoffed and that will most certainly PERISH (Acts 13:41*). Jesus Christ said,

"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." Matthew 10:34.

The son of man writing to you right now also has a 'sword,' but Paul describes mine for today in Ephesians 6:17. ;0)

I am not even interested in the subject.

Please forgive, but that is already a known FACT. My diagrams were all drawn in the summer of 2005 and my witness and testimony at CF.com began September 5, 2004 and Biblewriter knows as much about my mystery diagrams today as when my work here first began. Right? Of course. Wisdom says to write on 'the Topic' and stop attacking other registered members with your nonsense. Wisdom also says that if Biblewriter and your pal Dispy really want a 'love' response from others, then put down the cotton-picking stones.

I will not even bother with the rest of your post, but I did not say that scripture says in six places that Jesus Christ will sit upon an earthly throne. I said that Revelation 20 clearly states in six places that the future kingdom age will last a thousand years.

Not true.

2 Pet 3:8 ¶ But do not let this one {fact} escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day.

Rev 20:2 And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;

Rev 20:3 and he threw him into the abyss, and shut {it} and sealed {it} over him, so that he would not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were completed; after these things he must be released for a short time.

Rev 20:4 ¶ Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I {saw} the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

Rev 20:5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection.

Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is the one who has a part in the first resurrection; over these the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.

Rev 20:7 ¶ When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison,

The phrase a "thousand years" appears in the NT eight times (twice in 2Peter 3:8), but the term 'kingdom' does not appear in the same verse even once. You are assuming that Christ reigns in an earthly kingdom, when He is the "Lamb" in the 'center of the throne' (Rev. 7:17) right here IN HEAVEN.

The 1000 Years begins in Revelation 1 with the 'trumpet' sounding off 'behind' John in Rev. 1:10, which is our trumpet from 1Cor. 15:51-53 and 1Thes. 4:15-17 at our Rapture. The 1000 Years (in blue = another linear diagram) runs to Revelation 20, which is an overview of the entire 1000 years; as Satan was chained by the voice of the Archangel way back in Revelation 1:10. Again, 'David' (Eze. 34:23-25) is sitting on the throne 'on earth AS IT IS in heaven,' while the Lamb/Lord rules in Heaven to return AT THE END OF THE AGE (Matt. 24:30-31).

Now Dispy or Biblewriter or somebody here at CF.com can either find flaw in my testimony using Scripture, OR you can continue throwing those pathetic stones; OR simply quote something and ask a question which I would very much 'love' to answer for those of you,

IN Christ Jesus (my Topic) ...

Terral

 

[Biblewriter]

Hi Biblewriter with Dispy mentioned:



Perhaps the lingo above meant something to people living in the 1600's over in England somewhere. Scripture says,

Again, one of us 'is' writing on the "Understanding The Dispensations" Topic and one of us is trying to attack Terral with puffed up nonsense. My point above is that 'knowledge' does indeed make arrogant. There is no disputing the fact that Dispy, Biblewriter and all of my debating opponents in these deliberations are severely outgunned; which this side of the discussion freely admits.



My posts dispense rightly divided 'Grace Doctrine' and 'the truth' to the members of Christ's Body free of charge. If you are looking for love, then perhaps a good dating site will find the Biblewriter a good mate. The fact is that Biblewriter is deliberately using Paul's words out of context, as if everyone here belongs to the same called-out congregation; which we most certainly DO NOT. Dispy and Biblewriter and most everyone writing in the CF.com Dispy Forum (with a few exceptions) are my debating 'adversaries' that would rather attack me than debate the topic.

Paul is saying that 'love edifies' those in your 'own congregation,' when my work here is 'against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places' requiring the 'full armor of God' with loins girded with 'the truth' and the 'breastplate of righteousness,' and feet shod with the 'preparation of the gospel of peace,' and the 'shield of faith,' the 'helmet of salvation, and the sword of the spirit, which is the word of God.' Eph. 6:12-17.



And Dispy and Biblewriter cannot gather enough information from my work to begin asking educated questions. That sounds like a problem with Dispy and Biblewriter and not this side of the discussion ...



No sir. The people living 2000 years ago never had the opportunity to see the completed Scriptures, which Paul is going to write about to these Corinthians in Chapter 13 of the Epistle that you just quoted.

Someone 'is' coming (Elijah/David/Abraham/Joshua = your father Adam = "Man of the Earth") to explain EVERYTHING in God's Living Word through 'three witnesses' (1Jn 5:8) of spirit (OT), water (Kingdom NT) and blood (Pauline Epistles). The number of Scripture is the same number of 'man,' which is 'six.' The number of the OT is one (1), because the OT is the spirit witness exactly like your spirit, My Father who is IN HEAVEN, and the Holy of Holies of the Temple. The number of the Pauline Epistles (blood witness) is two (2) like your soul, the Son, and the Holy Place of the Temple. The number of the NT Kingdom Epistles is three (3) like your physical body, the Holy Spirit and the Court of the Tabernacle of Moses and the Temple. Added together the number of the spirit witness (1) and blood witness (2) and water witness (3) is 'six,' which is the number of man for the same exact reason (spirit + soul + body).

The diagram showing the three witnesses of man is here.
The diagram showing the three witnesses of The Word (F+S+HS) is here.
The diagram showing the three witnesses of The Tabernacle/Temple is here. Scripture is 'not' Two Testaments, but is 'three witnesses' ...

... of spirit (OT), water (Kingdom NT) and blood (Pauline Epistles). The OT is written to "Israel" of the flesh representing the Lord God's (Christ's) 'chosen race' and kingdom of priests (1Peter 2:9). The NT Kingdom Epistles (Matt-John, Hebrews-Revelation) are written to the early (under Peter) and late (under Elijah/David) rains "Prophetic Kingdom Bride" (Church #1) called to God via the 'Gospel of the Kingdom' (Gospel #1). The NT Pauline Epistles (Romans - Philemon) are written to the Mystery Body of Christ (Church #2) called to God via Paul's "Word of the Cross" (Gospel #2) gospel message.

The Kingdom Dispensation (under Peter and Elijah/David/Abraham) has exactly 'three' baptisms of water (John's/Father), blood (Christ/Son) and spirit (Holy Spirit) that allows each Kingdom Disciple to find "The Way" (Acts 9:2, etc.) into the Holy of Holies of the Temple to receive the Holy Spirit by the laying of hands (my Baptisms Topic). The Grace Dispensation (under Paul) has exactly 'one baptism' performed exclusively by the Holy Spirit Himself (1Cor. 12:12-14, etc.) who baptizes us into Christ (Gal. 3:27) on the cross; so we can become an active participant in His death, burial and resurrection. The members of Christ's Body (Paul, Barnabas, Titus = blood witness kings/rulers/judges) have many advantages over the Kingdom Disciples (Peter, John, James, etc. = water witness priests and judges over Israel only).

Those are the 'three' primary 'dispensations' taken from the Gentiles that God is dealing with through His Living and Triune Word. Try to find where Peter, John, James, Paul or anyone in the NT or OT reveals the 'trinue' nature of Scripture and how God's Living Word is literally filled to the brim with three witness mystery sets pointing back to a Singularity:

That is Biblewriter's uneducated opinion. Here is the deal in a nutshell: John the Baptist and Jesus Christ and Paul* came across many mockers that scoffed and that will most certainly PERISH (Acts 13:41*). Jesus Christ said,

The son of man writing to you right now also has a 'sword,' but Paul describes mine for today in Ephesians 6:17. ;0)



Please forgive, but that is already a known FACT. My diagrams were all drawn in the summer of 2005 and my witness and testimony at CF.com began September 5, 2004 and Biblewriter knows as much about my mystery diagrams today as when my work here first began. Right? Of course. Wisdom says to write on 'the Topic' and stop attacking other registered members with your nonsense. Wisdom also says that if Biblewriter and your pal Dispy really want a 'love' response from others, then put down the cotton-picking stones.



Not true.

The phrase a "thousand years" appears in the NT eight times (twice in 2Peter 3:8), but the term 'kingdom' does not appear in the same verse even once. You are assuming that Christ reigns in an earthly kingdom, when He is the "Lamb" in the 'center of the throne' (Rev. 7:17) right here IN HEAVEN.

The 1000 Years begins in Revelation 1 with the 'trumpet' sounding off 'behind' John in Rev. 1:10, which is our trumpet from 1Cor. 15:51-53 and 1Thes. 4:15-17 at our Rapture. The 1000 Years (in blue = another linear diagram) runs to Revelation 20, which is an overview of the entire 1000 years; as Satan was chained by the voice of the Archangel way back in Revelation 1:10. Again, 'David' (Eze. 34:23-25) is sitting on the throne 'on earth AS IT IS in heaven,' while the Lamb/Lord rules in Heaven to return AT THE END OF THE AGE (Matt. 24:30-31).

Now Dispy or Biblewriter or somebody here at CF.com can either find flaw in my testimony using Scripture, OR you can continue throwing those pathetic stones; OR simply quote something and ask a question which I would very much 'love' to answer for those of you,

IN Christ Jesus (my Topic) ...

Terral

I do not consider this post worth answering.

But I will advise the poster that he is the only one that considers all the other participants in this debate to be "severely outgunned."

Knowledge indeed makes arrogant, but the scripture you have quoted does not present this in a positive light, but a negative. This is a reproof to those who imagine that they possess superior knowledge, not an endorsement of their behavior.''If you do not understand this, your knowledge is indeed severely limited.

 

[crossnote]

For some reason this passage seems a propos.

7 Even lifeless things giving a sound, whether pipe or harp, if they give not distinction to the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped?
8 For also, if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself for war?
9 Thus also *ye* with the tongue, unless ye give a distinct speech, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye will be speaking to the air. 1Cor 14:7-9 (Darby)