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Short abridged form:
Study of the whole Bible, Genesis to Revelation, including deep dive into Leviticus; came out with my own consistent understanding of it, some of it perplexing to me, but it's what was plainly presented there; discovered a couple of years later to my delight that I wasn't completely off the rails, that I was in agreement with the Westminster Confession, so I decided I was a Reformation Presbyterian, but wouldn't part with my Southern Baptist heart.
I do love the Reformation!
No, the abridged form, remember.Hm, so it was self study alone?
No, the abridged form, remember.
I grew up in a Christian home and came to saving faith reading the Bible as an adult (abridged account again). I can't remember if I read the whole thing unassisted, and then consulted other sources, or if I consulted other sources after I came to faith while reading it. I had no counsel, so I had to wing it. Someone recommended a book, I would read it, I heard from some minister on TV that J.I. Packer's "Knowing God" was a must read for every Christian, ordered it, which book then kind of helped me to know where to go, ordered some things at random that turned out to be great sources, enrolled in a multi-year para-church Bible study which was most enriching personally, sought out a church, found a good Southern Baptist one, where they grew you Biblically, all the while continuing my own research and study and acquisition of my very small but excellent (I think) library. . .and loving those Southern Baptists!
Maybe our talking them over would help. . .Ok, thanks for sharing!
Sometimes I like to buy Lutheranism straight off, because I was helped tremendously by Lutheran theology when I had shipwrecked my faith. Still, how can I when I see things that doesn't add up?
Maybe our talking them over would help. . .
Ok, thanks for sharing!
Sometimes I like to buy Lutheranism straight off, because I was helped tremendously by Lutheran theology when I had shipwrecked my faith. Still, how can I when I see things that doesn't add up?
I guess I didn't understand what you meant by" how can I when I see things that doesn't add up?"I don't think you understand. When no other Christian could help me a Lutheran guy showed up. I was in deep dispair, you wouldn't know (or maybe you would?). I was told by this Lutheran (who now is a friend) that it had nothing to do with me, that all was forgiven on the cross, no matter how dark I was inside. It came to the point where I gave up to what he had said, I trusted that I was a child of God, and then and there Jesus came and pulled me out of the darkness.
I guess I didn't understand what you meant by" how can I when I see things that doesn't add up?"
Well, you can still be a good Lutheran without agreeing with everything.I have found things in Lutheranism that I don't think is correct. That's the problem. I love Lutheranism on the other hand, and as I said Lutheran theologi helped me.
Well, you can still be a good Lutheran without agreeing with everything.
It's also about assembly, worship and fellowship.
There are two groups of people that Paul refers to in his letters, Jews and Gentiles.Like I said to Renniks, I like this view, but what do we do with "conformed to the image of the Son". How were the Jews conformed to the image of Jesus? It also says Jesus were to be the firstborn among many brethren.
Will you include chapter seven also?Right, but that's only chps 3, 9-11. That leaves 12 chps for other treatment of righteousness, yes?
Right, but not the whole book, right?
Only four of sixteen chapters are on Israel, right?
Chp 7 regards freedom from the law's (Decalogue) condemnation/curse (Galatians 3:10) of our failure to become righteous according to it, right?Will you include chapter seven also?
Romans 7:1
Or do you not know, brethren (for I am speaking to those who know the law), that the law has jurisdiction over a person as long as he lives?
Dr. William R. Newell was one of the greatest Bible teachers of his day. A friend and colleague of D.L. Moody and R.A. Torrey, he taught thousands of people as a Bible teacher in Moody’s Bible college. His book, Romans Verse by Verse, discusses that God “had acquaintanceship” with the Israelites of the past. So, it was not “mere Divine pre-knowledge” of certain individuals, but a real intimate “pre-acquaintanceship.”*Yeah, ok John Piper.
There are other interpretations.
The word for foreknowledge can mean more than knowing beforehand.
Were you born under the law?Chp 7 regards freedom from the law's (Decalogue) condemnation/curse (Galatians 3:10) of our failure to become righteous according to it, right?
We are not free in the NT to violate the Ten Commandments.
There are two groups of people that Paul refers to in his letters, Jews and Gentiles.
Romans 8:29
For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren.
The gospel was directed at these two groups of people; the Jews first and then the Gentiles.
For those whom God formerly knew (the Jews), were predestined to be transformed into the likeness of Jesus.
God has not abandoned the Jews.
The 'many brethren' is a reference to these two groups, Jews and Gentiles.
Jesus was the first to be born, raised, resurrected.
The Jews also have been predestined to be called and justified.What about the last part?
and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.
— Romans 8:30
In Genesis One God created man and woman in His image. But its not until Genesis Two that what God had done in 1:27 became manifested in the material world.The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God, and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him so that we may also be glorified with Him.
— Romans 8:16-17
And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.
— Romans 8:28-30
The question I have is why Paul writes: "He also glorified" (v.30). They are not yet glorfied, right? (v.17) Then why past tense?
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