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I was referring to the covenant that much of the church teaches re: The torah, Sabbath and the Moadim are no longer for the body of Christ
 
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Sorry but the author of that article is wrong about how Pleroo is applied to Matthew 5:17 Then even worse he does not properly cite what Yeshau said
17 “Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. 18 For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not [h]the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

Yeshua could absolutely not have meant what the author is trying to imply he said. The key to this is in verse 18.... until all is accomplished. Yeshua in verse 17 to avoid any misunderstanding says the Law OR the Prophets.....

We know for certain then that all has not been accomplished as much of the prophecies have yet to be fulfilled. Some will vainly try and argue that Yeshua was only speaking about the prophecies concerning himself. That position is problematic because that is not what he is saying.

Beyond that on the surface his comments seem a bit strange and out of place.... it is because Pleroo means "to cause God's will (as made known in the law) to be obeyed as it should be, and God's promises (given through the prophets) to receive fulfilment": Matthew 5:17; cf. Weiss, Das Matthäusevang. as above with, p. 146f
Strong's Greek: 4137. πληρόω (pléroó) -- to make full, to complete

In various places of the OT we see G-d rejecting the offerings of Israel and it is precisely because their "hearts were far from me" Is 29:13
 
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Sorry but the author of that article is wrong about how Pleroo is applied to Matthew 5:17
Well, let's go to the Greek then.

Here's the verse: Matthew 5:17 Interlinear: 'Do not suppose that I came to throw down the law or the prophets -- I did not come to throw down, but to fulfil;

The word used as fulfill is as follows

4137 [e]
plērōsai
πληρῶσαι .
to fulfill [them]
V-ANA

That is not the word "pleroo" as you indicated above. This word only has four occurences.

πληρῶσαι (plērōsai) — 4 Occurrences

Matthew 3:15 V-ANA
GRK: ἐστὶν ἡμῖν πληρῶσαι πᾶσαν δικαιοσύνην
NAS: it is fitting for us to fulfill all
KJV: us to fulfil all
INT: it is to us to fulfill all righteousness

Matthew 5:17 V-ANA
GRK: καταλῦσαι ἀλλὰ πληρῶσαι
NAS: to abolish but to fulfill.
KJV: to destroy, but to fulfil.
INT: to abolish but to fulfill [them]

Romans 15:13 V-AOA-3S
GRK: τῆς ἐλπίδος πληρώσαι ὑμᾶς πάσης
NAS: of hope fill you with all
KJV: the God of hope fill you with all
INT: of hope may fill you with all

Colossians 1:25 V-ANA
GRK: εἰς ὑμᾶς πληρῶσαι τὸν λόγον
NAS: on me for your benefit, so that I might fully carry out the [preaching of] the word
KJV: for you, to fulfil the word of God;
INT: toward you to complete the word
 
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You clearly do not follow links.

LOL.... You dont have the first clue as to what you are talking about.

Pleroo is the root word.

"to cause God's will (as made known in the law) to be obeyed as it should be, and God's promises (given through the prophets) to receive fulfilment": Matthew 5:17; cf. Weiss, Das Matthäusevang. as above with, p. 146f
Strong's Greek: 4137. πληρόω (pléroó) -- to make full, to complete

You have clearly been provided the definition with this specific verse married to the above definition along with the footnotes
 
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And the root word is not the word used.

What you need to do is have the correct word. There can be many words that are slightly different from the root word. This is basic language 101.

You need to be EXACT. There are 88 occurences that are related to the root word, only 4 occurences contain the word I used, which is MORE PERCISE, notice the small [e] at the end of the Strong's Concordance entry, that [e] has a meaning.

4137
[e]

plērōsai
πληρῶσαι .
to fulfill [them]
V-ANA
 
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http://www.torahresource.com/EnglishArticles/Fulfill in Matt 5.17.pdf
 
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Usage of 'fulfill' in cultural context:
 
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In various places of the OT we see G-d rejecting the offerings of Israel and it is precisely because their "hearts were far from me" Is 29:13
Right.

That is why Yeshua greatest Commandment to us is to "Love God with all your hearts, soul and mind" That is not an easy commandment. One needs to TRULY love God above all else. That means putting nothing before Him.
 
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That is not true.

The entire Word of God Old and New Testament is written on our hearts and minds. That doesn't mean we are under the Law. The Law was specific to the Old Covenant.
I said nothing about us being "under the Law". No NC believer is "under the Law" meaning we are not under its condemnation.

No, the Law was not specific to the OC.

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

What does that statement mean to you?

Do you show love to your neighbor by committing adultery with his/her spouse; by stealing from them; by bearing false witness against them; by making them work for you on the 7th day; by murdering them; etc.? No.

Verse 40 is fulfilled when we keep Torah. You can't possibly love God or your neighbor when you sin against them by breaking Torah.

As for the article you linked to, consider his terrible inconsistency which leads to his false interpretation of Yeshua's words. He writes;

He fulfilled the law’s prophetic utterances regarding Himself (Luke 24:44).
But then he writes;

Jesus fulfilled all of the law. We cannot say that Jesus fulfilled the sacrificial system, but did not fulfill the other aspects of the law. Jesus either fulfilled all of the law, or none of it. What Jesus' death means for the sacrificial system, it also means for the other aspects of the law.
Did you catch that? He says Jesus fulfilled the prophets by fulfilling only those prophecies regarding himself, but he doesn't apply the same belief to fulfilling the Law. He implies Jesus did not fulfill only those laws regarding himself, but all other laws as well. Why the difference? Because he knows full well that Yeshua did not fulfill all other prophecies. What does that matter, you may think. If he applied equal weights and measures to both the fulfilling of the Law and the fulfilling of the prophets, it would mean either Yeshua fulfilled only laws and prophecies regarding himself or he did not fully fulfill either the Law or the prophets. The latter is true. There are aspects of the Law that have not been fulfilled (for example, Yom Teruah, Sukkot, the blowing of the anti-typical Jubilee trumpet, etc.).

As Yeshua said, "I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."

The Law and the prophets both remain.
 
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