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Joseph was the boy's earthly father, and thus by Jewish tradition He came from the house of David. The mother's lineage was much less important because she becomes the family of the husband.Similarly, wasn't Jesus supposed to be of "Davids line"? Well as I understand the Bible, Joseph was of Davids line and given he wasn't the father (According to scripture)
Hi SZ,
There again, you show such little understanding of what God has said through His Scriptures. Observing the Sabbath is not about 'going to church'. The Sabbath is a day of rest. We can go to 'church' seven days a week and we will not have honored the law of Sabbath.
The Sabbath for man is a day of rest. The Sabbath for the ground is a year of rest.
God bless you,
In Christ, ted
I think he wanted to know which day of the week you considered to be the Sabbath.
I think he wanted to know which day of the week you considered to be the Sabbath.
Hi ophiolite,
You are free to ask the poster to clarify, but the challenge seemed to be if you're going to obey all the law, do you obey the law of Sabbath.
You may be correct. Perhaps the poster will return and clarify if he was bringing it up to find out what day is the Sabbath or whether the person he was responding to obeyed the law of Sabbath. It is, of course, fully possible that the poster thinks that the day one observes Sabbath is important to observing Sabbath. Many people do.
However, the law of Sabbath is that six days you shall work. On the seventh day you shall rest. You, your man servant and maid servant and all those within your household. It doesn't really say what the name of that day will be or what the name of the day on which one starts to count the six days will be. Now, the Jews have, for millennia observed Sabbath on what we today call Friday evening, beginning at sunset, through the daylight hours of Saturday. I respect that position, but I don't think the particular names of the days of the week are given as a part of the law. The law merely says that six days you shall do your work and on the seventh you shall rest in observance of the Lord's Sabbath for you.
As Jesus said, the Sabbath was made for man. It is a day that God asks us to set aside for necessary rest in honor of who He is. Here is is from today's modern translations of the Scriptures.
Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shall you labor, and do all your work: But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God: in it you shall not do any work, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger that is within your gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: why the LORD blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it.
The keeping of Sabbath should be holy to the believer. That is 'set apart' to God. God also instituted a Sabbath of the land. Each seventh year the land that you work is to be left fallow. The believer is to eat of the bounty stored up from the previous years of plenty that the Lord has provided. The land is then allowed to go fallow and is holy. It is, for that year, set apart to God. No one is to plant anything during that Sabbath year.
However, the believer also knows that keeping the law isn't going to save him or her. The law was given as a prick pin. It was given to us from God so that we will understand that we are sinners and drive us to His salvation. If you continue reading through the books of the law, you will not find anywhere that God says that by keeping the law one will gain eternal life. What you will find is that by keeping the law, things will go well with you in this life. You will find God's promise to Israel for disobedience to the law in the writings of Leviticus, chapter 26 beginning in verse 14-39. You will also find what God promises Israel for obedience to the law just previous to that, beginning in chapter 26. Nowhere in all of that does God ever say that obedience or disobedience will gain any guarantee or forfeit one's eternal destiny.
We are all sinners. You, me, my wife and children, your spouse and children, we're all sinners. We have sinned against the holy God who has created all things in this realm. We can be absolved of our sin in only one way. That is to be born again. Born of the Spirit of the living God. When we are born again, our names are then written in the Lamb's Book of Life. When the day of God's judgment comes, all those whose names are so found to be in the Lamb's Book of Life shall then receive God's promise of eternal life with Him.
God bless you,
In Christ, ted
It would be impossible to look for evidence of a virgin birth 2000 years ago, but stories written years after the event by people who weren't there would not be a good attempt to validate the possibility of it having happened. My opinion is that the myth of a virgin birth was perpetuated in order to fulfil prophesy.That's because science is myopic.
If you disagree, what evidence would you look for exactly?
Joseph was the boy's earthly father, and thus by Jewish tradition He came from the house of David. The mother's lineage was much less important because she becomes the family of the husband.
Some Christians take the position that Jesus was the biological son of Joseph and was adopted by God at the time Jesus was baptized by John.Joseph was not his father though, but in order to manufacture the truth of the prophesy Christians have to say Jesus was the son of God, and the son of Joseph, when he blatantly wasn't the son of Joseph - if you believe in scripture that is. Personally I am of the opinion that he was certainly the son of Joseph and therefore of David's line, but certainly wasn't the son of God, but of course as I don't believe God exists I would say that.
Really....... well that'll be news to everyone who's just gone to a carol service or nativity play! Is that part of any Christian sects teachings, or just the opinion of some?Some Christians take the position that Jesus was the biological son of Joseph and was adopted by God at the time Jesus was baptized by John.
I gather that the Mormons still hold to a version of it, and some smaller Protestant sects.Really....... well that'll be news to everyone who's just gone to a carol service or nativity play! Is that part of any Christian sects teachings, or just the opinion of some?
I gather that the Mormons still hold to a version of it, and some smaller Protestant sects.
Adoptionism - Wikipedia
This topic is intended to do two things:
1) Figure out what people do and don't understand about the Theory of Evolution (what they accept as true vs what they don't accept)
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2) Figure out what information people commonly use as source material for their views on evolution
So, for people who do not accept evolution (or who posit some additional supernatural element to it, like adding a creator/designer that "guides" or "directs" evolution), what is it about the Theory of Evolution you do not accept and why? In addition to this, what resources do you (or have you) explored with respect to the science? (books, journals, classes, degrees, blogs, news sites, etc).
In addition to the latter question, what do you think the reliability is of the sources people choose? Are all sources equal? Are only sources that agree with your opinion reliable? What makes one source better than another source?
Can you define what you mean by the theory of evolution? The reason I ask is because I've heard it defined several ways. The simplest I've heard is that species change and adapt to their environment over time, I hope nobody has an issue with that. A change in allele frequency over time might focus on genes but I have no issues with that, or descent with modification for that matter. Some include statements about economy or just common ancestry. What is extrapolated from there is where my concern is. So I just want to get some idea where you're coming from when you say the theory of evolution.
I imagine bears and racoons shared a common ancestor long ago. That's also my issue with it, I have to imagine they do. The evidence points to it, I'd say it even seems convincing, but it can't be demonstrated. Its possible there's another explanation, convergent evolution for example. So I'm skeptical. I respect those that are convinced, Behe accepts common ancestry. I hope they can respect those that remain skeptical.
What is extrapolated from there is where my concern is. So I just want to get some idea where you're coming from when you say the theory of evolution.
I imagine bears and racoons shared a common ancestor long ago. That's also my issue with it, I have to imagine they do. The evidence points to it, I'd say it even seems convincing, but it can't be demonstrated.
Its possible there's another explanation, convergent evolution for example.
So I'm skeptical. I respect those that are convinced, Behe accepts common ancestry. I hope they can respect those that remain skeptical.
True or false; two animals that looked identical and lived in similar climates would be expected to have similar DNA.
Since DNA codes physical characteristics, there should be genetic commonalities between the two; maybe not a perfect match, but at least close.
The greatest example of this is the birth of my Lord and Savior, Jesus. The Scriptures tell me that he was born of a virgin. Some 2,000 years ago before man even knew about invitro fertilization and such things, a woman who claims of herself to having never laid with a man, is pregnant. Now, friend, science will tell you that's impossible. Yet, I believe that it happened just as the Scriptures tell me. Why? Because God did it!! God's word explains to us that through His Holy Spirit He implanted in Mary's womb what was necessary for Jesus to be born. She didn't have sexual relations with anyone. She merely woke up one day and she was pregnant. By all of your scientific knowledge and wisdom, that's impossible.
If your sister, or your daughter or grand-daughter, or your niece, told you such a thing, would you believe them, and would you think that God did it? If not, what would you think?
I can imagine an unmarried girl who finds herself pregnant taking refuge in denying everything, but older women would hardly be deceived by these denials. How do you think that people at the time reacted to the news? Did they say, 'It's a miracle; this is a fulfillment of the prophecy in Isaiah', or did they respond as most ordinary people do to this common occurrence?
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