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And you were dead in the trespasses and sins 2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience 3among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body[a] and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. 4But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, 5even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ by grace you have been saved
First>I'm not Arminian, I'm American.
Second>Jesus Christ's sacrifice was for all of humanity. Grace is already given to all It's there for anyone that wishes to claim it and follow Jesus. That is the heart of the gospel.
First>I'm not Arminian, I'm American.
Second>Jesus Christ's sacrifice was for all of humanity. Grace is already given to all It's there for anyone that wishes to claim it and follow Jesus. That is the heart of the gospel.
Was grace given to all humanity?
Why is not everyone saved then?
You may answer because not everyone believes.
But unbelief is a sin too. Did Jesus die for all the sins of all people? if so, hell will be empty.
Mmm. I'd rather be outside the camp with Jesus & His Apostles than in open acceptance with the whole world.
Hm, Jesus is with every single person in the whole world, in the same way?Inside or outside the camp, Jesus is with all of us my friendheymikey80 said:Mmm. I'd rather be outside the camp with Jesus & His Apostles than in open acceptance with the whole world.
Hm, Jesus is with every single person in the whole world, in the same way?
"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven" Mt 7:20
12So Jesus also suffered outside the gate in order to sanctify the people through his own blood. 13Therefore let us go to him outside the camp and bear the reproach he endured. Heb 13:12-13
Very well said. The "whole world" does not mean everyone in the world.
In the book of Revelation, it states, "The whole world marvels after the Beast.." (talking of the man of sin)... well, obviously, the born again elect of God will not be a part of that "whole world scenario" that marvels after the beast. The elect will not be deceived... therefore, the "whole world" does not mean every individual on the planet.
"Father I pray NOT for the World, but for those whom You have given Me."
Again, Jesus is not praying for those who are not His.
"Having loved His OWN who were in the world." Notice, His own are in the world, but this does not include the entire world.
This is a dumb question, because the analogy of being dead is the Apostle Paul's, not mine.
A man cannot serve two masters. For he will love one and hate the other.
Give up Calvin and turn to Christ.
Give up Dordt and turn to the Bible.
Very well said. The "whole world" does not mean everyone in the world.
In the book of Revelation, it states, "The whole world marvels after the Beast.." (talking of the man of sin)... well, obviously, the born again elect of God will not be a part of that "whole world scenario" that marvels after the beast. The elect will not be deceived... therefore, the "whole world" does not mean every individual on the planet.
"Father I pray NOT for the World, but for those whom You have given Me."
Again, Jesus is not praying for those who are not His.
"Having loved His OWN who were in the world." Notice, His own are in the world, but this does not include the entire world.
I don't understand the point of the exercise you have put people through in Soteriology. It would have saved an enormous amount of time and bandwidth if you had been forthcoming at first. Giving the impression that you were having "a change of heart" or coming to some kind of new, progressive revelation concerning Calvinism only tipped people off to the reality behind it.
Things have not changed. Anti-Calvinists refuse to properly characterize Calvinistic teaching, and continue to distort, marginalize, and essentially spread false assertions about the theology. Anyone who really wanted to know about a Calvinistic teaching could actually ask.
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