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Okay, now you have no cause to post:I'm saying that your man-made finite logic regarding an infinite's God's dealing with man is meaningless.
Do the dead walk?If you stop walking. You are no longer walking.
If the dead don't walk, then the dead are lost.I have never knowingly seen any kind of vampirism or undead creatures myself but I won't say it's not possible.
What does this have to do with Calvinism?
Do the dead walk?
Stirring the pot, are we? What "tiny bunch" would you be referring to? And where was this supposed quote of "win it back" posted? You make the accusations, now back them up. Otherwise, let it go.
Pro_15:18 A wrathful man stirreth up strife: but he that is slow to anger appeaseth strife.
Pro_16:28 A froward man soweth strife: and a whisperer separateth chief friends.
Pro_17:1 Better is a dry morsel, and quietness therewith, than an house full of sacrifices with strife.
Pro_17:14 The beginning of strife is as when one letteth out water: therefore leave off contention, before it be meddled with.
Pro_17:19 He loveth transgression that loveth strife: and he that exalteth his gate seeketh destruction.
Pro_20:3 It is an honour for a man to cease from strife: but every fool will be meddling.
Pro_22:10 Cast out the scorner, and contention shall go out; yea, strife and reproach shall cease.
Pro_26:17 He that passeth by, and meddleth with strife belonging not to him, is like one that taketh a dog by the ears.
Pro_26:20 Where no wood is, there the fire goeth out: so where there is no talebearer, the strife ceaseth.
Pro_26:21 As coals are to burning coals, and wood to fire; so is a contentious man to kindle strife.
Pro_28:25 He that is of a proud heart stirreth up strife: but he that putteth his trust in the LORD shall be made fat.
Pro_29:22 An angry man stirreth up strife, and a furious man aboundeth in transgression.
Pro_30:33 Surely the churning of milk bringeth forth butter, and the wringing of the nose bringeth forth blood: so the forcing of wrath bringeth forth strife.
Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been given to him by My Father. John 6:65
Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been given to him by My Father. John 6:65
That's not what the passage says:Agreed, and it is an invitation given to all. God has called, died for your sins and made a way for you....All who respond will be saved
John 3:17 (John 3)
For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
That's not what the passage says:
The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life. But there are some of you who do not believe. This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is given him by the Father. John 6:63-65
All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. John 6:37
And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me John 6:39
I just ran across this list of things that Jesus said. None of which tell me that there are people he will refuse to save. We are all called we all have a chance. Who will answer the call. It is here,
Matthew 11:15 (Matthew 11)
He who has ears to hear,1 let him hear.
Even the hairs of your head are numbered. Matthew 10:30
Truly, truly, I say to you, if any one keeps My word, he will never see death. John 8:51
This is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast send. John 17:3
As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the son of man be lifted up, and whoever believes in him may have eternal life. John 3:14-15
I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me, though he die, yet shall he live, and whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. John 11:25-26
For this is the will of my Father, that every one who sees the Son and believes in Him should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. John 6:40
Whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst; the water that I shall give him will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life. John 3:14
My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish, and no one shall snatch them out of My hand. John 10:27-28
The cup that I drink you will drink; and with the baptism with which I am baptized; but to sit at My right hand or at My left is not mine to grant, but it is for those for whom it has been prepared. Mark 10:39-40
And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or lands, for My name's sake, will receive a hundred-fold, and inherit eternal life. But many will that are first will be last, and the last first. Matthew 19:29-30
All that the Father gives me shall come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out. John 6:37I am in agreement. ALL are given to believe, believe and you have fulfilled the covenant. We are all invited to believe.
Have any of the Calvinists here actually dealt with the claims of a true scholarly view of John 6 from an Arminian perspective? I'm not asking you to agree, but at least engage it and demonstrate an understanding before dismissing it out of hand.And who would have been given to him by the Father at that point in history?
ANSWER: The remnant of Israel: Those reserved from the hardening process and chosen to carry the message of redemption to the rest of the world.
The gospel was sent to the world AFTER Christ was raised up, thereby "drawing all men to himself." Until that point the message was hidden in parables and God was blinding them from seeing the truth. (John 12:39-40)
John 6 is true for us today as well because no one can come unless invited. "How will the hear unless someone tell them." But you must understand that no one was really openly telling them the gospel in its fulness at this point, so they were not enabled to come. The GOSPEL is the means God has chosen to draw all men to himself and that Gospel was not sent into the world when John 6 took place.
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