Undermining prayer?

[Christina M]

I agree, He would not honor a prayer prayed amiss, So what then would be the problem with me praying for you?

How could any prayer prayed outside the will of God create a problem for one who is faithful?


John O.

Why waste your time?

God calls us to be aligned to His Word and His will... why would anyone want to be operating against His wishes?

 

[millerrod]

I do not want anyone asking the lord to bless me and mine with a good sickness.
I am not being sarcastic.
There are people who have said in no uncertain terms that they think sickness, poverty, and like curses are "good" things that God either perpetrates on His own children or "allows"(sic) satan to afflict.

I do not need those blessings thank you.
Again... I am not being sarcastic. I really do not need that kind of help.

Dids WE do not control nor guide God. I can pray for a new hummer but God may give me a VW or maybe just bicycle. God will do what God sees as best for us. Our prayers do not control God. God answers our prayers when its Gods Will to do so. If i prayed for God to give you a zit on your forhead God would no doubt reconize it as a prayer of a fool and more than likely give me a zit on my forhead. The foolish prayer would have no bearing upon your life but it may well have bearing on my own life because it would expose the condition of my heart to God who i am sure would have already known the condition. Let God be God i am sure He is capable of weeding out foolish, mean spirited or prayers not from the heart. But for us to say no your not good enough to pray for me or for us to say dont pray for me you might pray the wrong thing is the same as saying we are God and judge. I say let God be God . Prayers are as fire upon the earth which fills Gods throne room with the smoke of Love , Love for one man and one woman towards another man and another woman as long as the fire thats burning is Love i will take all the smoke i can get for my prayers to be heard and to find Gods mercy knowing good and well ,that smoke which is not of Love will not reach the throne of God.

 

[jeolmstead]

Why waste your time?

God calls us to be aligned to His Word and His will... why would anyone want to be operating against His wishes?

Certainly not me......

That is why I pray, "Your kingdom come" "Your will be done"

(A friend of mine told me to pray that way, He has never let me down)

John O.

 

[NewSong]

Any prayers, that unknowingly are offered up for me, that are not in the will of God, are defeated.

If you pray for me, New Song, against the will of God, your prayers will not be answered.... I pray against those kind of prayers daily. Many do not believe that Christians can pray prayers that go against God's will... I do... and I account for it daily, when I put on my armor. I know it goes against the grain for many, but it is God's will for me... to guard my heart.


Breaking Christian Curses, Finding Freedom from Destructive Prayers is a good read:

http://www.amazon.com/Breaking-Christian-Curses-Finding-Destructive/dp/1886296197

I always pray for God's will to be done and so with God's will being done...if it happens that your will lines up with God's will then no problem...

I wouldn't pray against God's will and I am not sure why you would imply that I would.

 

[Christina M]

I wouldn't pray against God's will and I am not sure why you would imply that I would.

Perhaps because you seem to always agree with many on here who say that we cannot know God's will... "his ways are higher than ours doncha know".... that His will may be that we be sick or poor "for a reason" or "to teach us a lesson" or "to draw us closer to Him"...

If you don't believe this way, then I apologize for misunderstanding all your posts supporting Jimbo and Tamara and those who do say that we can never know God's will in a certain situation.

 

[NorrinRadd]

Sorry but it had everything to do with my icon.. because you can clearly see I am Word of Faith and you mentioned it.. Instead of just talking about what I said.. and what you believe the scriptures to mean..

I'm sorry you think I'm lying to you. I can honestly tell you if you had posted that and not had the Word of Faith icon, my answer would still have been the same. It wasn't an attack against you or the Word of Faith. It was simply a discussion of what is a difference in points of view.

Brother.. you did mention Word of Faith.. not me..

Perhaps you need to reread what you did say and think about your feelings towards those who are of the Word of Faith.. Why why why if someone believed what they believed based on the Word alone and was not Word of Faith.. Would you need to make mention of this denomination in your post at all?

I do not deny that I mentioned Word of Faith. It was because of the verse you posted. It was a way for me to contrast opposing points of view. Again, it had nothing to do with your icon, and everything to do with contrasting the two differing focuses of that verse, and the associated teachings and understandings that stems from both sides of the Word of Faith lines.

Tamara addressed this stuff well. Half the time, I don't even look at the "faith icon" of the person I'm talking with. If I mention WoF, it's because I recognize that in the content of the post.

John,

God does not go against His Word...

it says "you have not if you ask amiss"...

Context, sister. In James 4, where the warning about "ask(ing) amiss" occurs, James considers it "amiss" to make requests to satisfy one's one pleasures.

 

[Strong in Him]

I do not want anyone asking the lord to bless me and mine with a good sickness.
I am not being sarcastic.
There are people who have said in no uncertain terms that they think sickness, poverty, and like curses are "good" things that God either perpetrates on His own children or "allows"(sic) satan to afflict.

I do not need those blessings thank you.
Again... I am not being sarcastic. I really do not need that kind of help.

I never suggested anything of the sort. I said - why don't people post prayer requests only in their own subforums? So WoF people ask for prayer in the WoF forum where only people who belive the same as you will answer. Non WoF people may sometimes visit the forum, but cannot debate.

If there really is anyone who, when they request prayer for healing actually means "please pray the lord will let this sickness continue because it is such a blessing", they, or we, as I guess you might count me in that, can go to the charismatic or pentecostal forums, or this one, to post their request there. Again, no debate by people who do not share their beliefs.

Or better still, why doesn't some mod create another forum, call it "forum for those who want to call down sickness and poverty on themselves and others", and see how many subscribers you get to it? I, for one, would avoid it like the plague which some other people seem to think I glory in.

And yes, I am being sarcastic. But I'm getting rather sick of implications that because I, and others, may believe that God can answer prayer in a certain way - i.e by saying 'wait', then we have a doctrine of sickness, or we believe that God deliberately sends illness - as an example of the good and perfect gift that James mentions in his letter, or that our prayers for others will be contaminated by doubt and unbelief so it's probably best if we don't pray for anyone else because God will be influenced by our less than perfect faith, and this is not the way to MAKE him answer prayer.

This isn't all directed at you personally, Dids; I guess once I got typing it was hard to stop.

Lord, I pray for everyone on this forum and who has contributed to this thread. Please bless all of us today. Please show yourself to us, fill us with your Spirit, guide us in your truth, remind us that we are all your children and have been blessed in the heavenly realm with every spiritual blessing in Christ. Please surround, and bless, everyone here with your love, from which we can never be seperated, and your peace which passes all understanding. Teach us to really KNOW you, help us to BE light to those who are still in darkness.
I ask this to your honour and glory, and through the precious name of Jesus.



I am now unsubscribing from this thread.

 

[youthwalk]

I never suggested anything of the sort. I said - why don't people post prayer requests only in their own subforums? So WoF people ask for prayer in the WoF forum where only people who belive the same as you will answer. Non WoF people may sometimes visit the forum, but cannot debate.

If there really is anyone who, when they request prayer for healing actually means "please pray the lord will let this sickness continue because it is such a blessing", they, or we, as I guess you might count me in that, can go to the charismatic or pentecostal forums, or this one, to post their request there. Again, no debate by people who do not share their beliefs.

Or better still, why doesn't some mod create another forum, call it "forum for those who want to call down sickness and poverty on themselves and others", and see how many subscribers you get to it? I, for one, would avoid it like the plague which some other people seem to think I glory in.

And yes, I am being sarcastic. But I'm getting rather sick of implications that because I, and others, may believe that God can answer prayer in a certain way - i.e by saying 'wait', then we have a doctrine of sickness, or we believe that God deliberately sends illness - as an example of the good and perfect gift that James mentions in his letter, or that our prayers for others will be contaminated by doubt and unbelief so it's probably best if we don't pray for anyone else because God will be influenced by our less than perfect faith, and this is not the way to MAKE him answer prayer.

This isn't all directed at you personally, Dids; I guess once I got typing it was hard to stop.

Lord, I pray for everyone on this forum and who has contributed to this thread. Please bless all of us today. Please show yourself to us, fill us with your Spirit, guide us in your truth, remind us that we are all your children and have been blessed in the heavenly realm with every spiritual blessing in Christ. Please surround, and bless, everyone here with your love, from which we can never be seperated, and your peace which passes all understanding. Teach us to really KNOW you, help us to BE light to those who are still in darkness.
I ask this to your honour and glory, and through the precious name of Jesus.



I am now unsubscribing from this thread.

Good post.

It is sickening.

 

[millerrod]

Certainly not me......

That is why I pray, "Your kingdom come" "Your will be done"

(A friend of mine told me to pray that way, He has never let me down)

John O.

i think i must have that same friend as well. And hes never let me down either as a matter of fact he has healed my daughter rather quickly

 

[youthwalk]

Certainly not me......

That is why I pray, "Your kingdom come" "Your will be done"

(A friend of mine told me to pray that way, He has never let me down)

John O.

i think i must have that same friend as well. And hes never let me down either as a matter of fact he has healed my daughter rather quickly

Yeshua NEVER lets us down! AMEN to that!

 

[NewSong]

Perhaps because you seem to always agree with many on here who say that we cannot know God's will... "his ways are higher than ours doncha know".... that His will may be that we be sick or poor "for a reason" or "to teach us a lesson" or "to draw us closer to Him"...

If you don't believe this way, then I apologize for misunderstanding all your posts supporting Jimbo and Tamara and those who do say that we can never know God's will in a certain situation.

Looks like I keep some good company! I am so sorry you are so paranoid about people praying for God's will to be done! It seems such a rotten shame to have such a paranoia about who prays for you and who don't especially if we all are serving the same God, which I don't think you were implying we didn't and I am not implying anything differently either...so my point is that if you think GOD answers prayers that are against His will then you must not think very high of GOD...You suggested a book earlier and I didn't look at it but I would reckon it would be an implication that God might answer prayers prayed outside of HIS will? Certainly you wouldn't imply my prayers are evil and yours are a-okay would you?