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Underage Drinking question

keith99

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When you make things legal you tend to remove the "[bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] I must have as much of this as possible right now cos tomorrow I might not be able to have more." factor. Not to mention shenanigans can be gotten up to regardless of legality. Not allowing 18 year olds to drink legally doesn't mean they don 't drink - it means they don't drink around adults and thus don't come under the influence of more matur people who could tell them they've had enough - it means they drink almost exclusively arounnd their peers, which tends to lead to "shenannigans".

Suddenly legal also creates problems. In college I was on the swim team. One Christmas we went to Hawaii. It was a good time, but in Hawaii the drinking age was 18, when in California it was 21. We had a lot of drunk 18-20 year olds. I mean really sick throwing up drunk. Far too many and we had a lot few guys like me who had access to booze through fraternity or other sources and a pretty good number of Hawaiian team members who were no problem.
 
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How much do we care about people age 18-20 that are dying in our wars? How much do we care about the people who are 21-22 that binge-drink? IMHO...having a drinking age adds to the taboo which feeds the binge-drinking mentality of teenagers. Funny how parents are o.k. with putting their kids on Ritalin or Adderall (stimulants with similar properties to Cocaine)...but no...don't sip that beer!

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I agree with you about the wars and ADHD drugs. Do you really think legalizing a drug will make it less used? Look at your own example. They legalized giving stimulants to children and what happened?
 
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DaisyDay

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How much do we care about people age 18-20 that are dying in our wars?
A little bit. It's good that they have the decency to die and kill over there, out of sight (out of mind).

How much do we care about the people who are 21-22 that binge-drink?
That's different - if they are driving drunk in my country, they might kill me or damage my property which is unacceptable.

IMHO...having a drinking age adds to the taboo which feeds the binge-drinking mentality of teenagers.
That and being out from under the parents' supervision. Also, mob mentality or peer pressure.

Funny how parents are o.k. with putting their kids on Ritalin or Adderall (stimulants with similar properties to Cocaine)...but no...don't sip that beer!
Ah for the good old days when parents would quell a baby's cries with gin or laudanum ....or sooth a restless child with beer!

Generally, the child on Ritalin or Adderall is monitored. Children on beer generally are not.
 
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I agree with you about the wars and ADHD drugs. Do you really think legalizing a drug will make it less used? Look at your own example. They legalized giving stimulants to children and what happened?

But, what is wrong with a drug being more used? The question is whether or not it will be used responsibly, and whether or not irresponsible use would be a valid reason to violate an adult human being's bodily autonomy. Some of the new use will be responsible, some will not be, but I have hard time beleiving that the rate of irresponsible use would be significantly higher than it already is. I figure most of the new drinkers will be the kids (like myself back then...:sigh:) who aren't daring enough to break the rules very much, and who won't be prone to too much wild and reckless action. Though, I admit that's just a guess. As it stands, any underage kid who wants to drink already can and does (not to mention the underage adults... :scratch:) without too much getting in their way.

In any event, arguing against lowering the drinking age because more people will drink irresponsibly is not a particularly strong argument against keeping the drinking age the same as much as it is an argument for alcohol prohibition. Afterall, people older than 21 quite frequently drink too much as well, so you may as well do away with alcohol altogether.

My stance on the issue is that there probably is some sense in keeping children from drinking, but that when a person becomes an adult the state shouldn't be telling her what she can put in her body. We can still punish certain irresponsible behaviors without blanket prohibition (I mean, public drunkeness and such is illegal for those of any age group).

Well, those are my thoughts on the matter. I guess I really just think that there should be one age at which a person attains adulthood and then that's that.

As for the OP, I don't think breaking the law is necessarily immoral, as the law is often opposed to justice, though I think breaking the law when this is not the case is probably not a good thing. But, doing something that is not illegal in Mexico (or wherever you're going) that is illegal in the US (or wherever you live) is definately not immoral unless the act itself is immoral (accoding to whatever moral code you care to apply). So if you think having a few beers responsibly is immoral, don't drink. If you think it's not immoral, and you want to do it, then drink. And if you don't want to do it, don't drink. I hope you have fun on your trip, whatever you decide to do. :wave:
 
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It's just a beer...or two. It won't hurt you. If you're old enough to go to college, the military, etc, then you should be responsible enough to enjoy a few drinks. Just take responsibility for yourself, and know when it's not ok to drink a lot.

From my experience I'm really beginning to think that alcohol has always been too taboo. It doesn't stop most from drinking, but only who they drink around and who they don't tell. And unfortunately, the responsible side of what they're going to do anyway is never really experienced. Besides, there's a lot more to beer than getting drunk off of crap like bud light. Enjoy a good beer...responsibly. ...And this is coming from someone who has his first-ever drink well into college (used to be very anti-alcohol).
 
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