unborn child

[ZooMom]

Originally posted by Br. Max
zoomom: have you read:

A NATION OF VICTIMS by charles sykes?? I'm reading it now it would be funny if it wasn't so scarry

No. I'm afraid I haven't.

I agree that the comment is offensive, but I think it is a fair depiction of an attitude I've seen in a lot of parts of our culture. If a boy and a girl have sex, the girl is "dirty" and "soiled goods", and the boy is just a boy... That's not universal, but it's common enough to be a real problem.

IMO, they are both wrong. The real problem is that some people think that 'fixing' the problem doesn't include changing the attitudes of our young men, but forcing society to accept THE SAME behavior from our young women as equitably. Is that right? Is that really what needs to happen?

 

[seebs]

Originally posted by ZooMom

IMO, they are both wrong. The real problem is that some people think that 'fixing' the problem doesn't include changing the attitudes of our young men, but forcing society to accept THE SAME behavior from our young women as equitably. Is that right? Is that really what needs to happen?

Hmm. I don't think that's the best situation.

However... I'm not sure which would be worse. Right now, most parents don't really care if boys fool around a bit, because boys don't get pregnant, and this is horribly unfair. If boys and girls were treated the same way, it'd at least be *fair*, but I suspect there'd be the same amount or more sex in people not emotionally ready for it.

Part of the problem, of course, is cultural; we used to marry kids several years younger than we do now, so the window of physical maturity without marriage was much narrower.

Overall, though, I think that reigning in the boys would be the best solution. Start treating boys who fooled around as "damaged goods" and see if that doesn't help.

 

[ZooMom]

Originally posted by seebs
Hmm. I don't think that's the best situation.

However... I'm not sure which would be worse. Right now, most parents don't really care if boys fool around a bit, because boys don't get pregnant, and this is horribly unfair. If boys and girls were treated the same way, it'd at least be *fair*, but I suspect there'd be the same amount or more sex in people not emotionally ready for it.

Part of the problem, of course, is cultural; we used to marry kids several years younger than we do now, so the window of physical maturity without marriage was much narrower.

Overall, though, I think that reigning in the boys would be the best solution. Start treating boys who fooled around as "damaged goods" and see if that doesn't help.

I think we are on the same page here, my friend. That's the point I was trying to make.

 

[Caedmon]

Originally posted by ZooMom
Maybe if everyone just got over the 'poor-me-I'm-a-victim-of-society' and started being responsible for themselves without excuses, we might all be better off. The "I had promiscuous sex, became pregnant, and had an abortion because society undervalues women" really doesn't work for me. Especially since I happen to be a woman with the same pressures and opportunities of any other woman. You aren't empowering women by making excuses for their poor choices. You are enabling them to continue making poor choices without consequences.

And I must say that I take extreme exception to your comment that all women are viewed either as virgins or harlots. It offends me, and I sure it offends a great many men who have nothing but tender affection and great respect for women. As they should, as we are neither virgin or harlot, but partner, helpmate, wife, and mother.

Indeed...

If you wish to "empower" women, then perhaps you should teach them that they don't have to have sex before they're married. But of course, I'm sure choosing to have the mythical, premarital "safe sex" would also be considered "empowering" by the feminist movement. I mean, why take responsibility for your actions or recognize God's profound blessing in the power of fertility?

Whoops! Sorry, I'm male... forgot I'm not allowed to comment on women's fertility.

 

[IslandBreeze]

Originally posted by lambslove
Except in cases of rape, no one forces a woman to open her legs and accept the man. Abortion today is caused by lack of self-control, not by external control or oppression of women.

The more women and girls are "empowered" by the tyranny of extra-marital sex, the more abortion flourishes. Who is oppressing these women but the very people who claim to be freeing them?

 

AMEN! Thank you thank you thank you! Guess what Texas? Women have the power--ALL the power. They need to stop giving it up when they don't have a wedding band. Now THAT is empowering.

 

[IslandBreeze]

Originally posted by ZooMom
Maybe if everyone just got over the 'poor-me-I'm-a-victim-of-society' and started being responsible for themselves without excuses, we might all be better off. The "I had promiscuous sex, became pregnant, and had an abortion because society undervalues women" really doesn't work for me. Especially since I happen to be a woman with the same pressures and opportunities of any other woman. You aren't empowering women by making excuses for their poor choices. You are enabling them to continue making poor choices without consequences.

And I must say that I take extreme exception to your comment that all women are viewed either as virgins or harlots. It offends me, and I sure it offends a great many men who have nothing but tender affection and great respect for women. As they should, as we are neither virgin or harlot, but partner, helpmate, wife, and mother.

Woohoo! That's good stuff, too!

 

[dignitized]

What we need is a return to BIBLICAL morals. SEX outside of the bonds of Marriage is WRONG

 

[Caedmon]

Originally posted by Cammie
 

AMEN! Thank you thank you thank you! Guess what Texas? Women have the power--ALL the power. They need to stop giving it up when they don't have a wedding band. Now THAT is empowering.

It seems to me that a woman that gets pregnant in a relationship does have a choice, and she exercises that choice the moment she and her boyfriend decide to have sex.

If they didn't want a pregnancy, they shouldn't have had sex.

 

[sbbqb7n16]

Leviticus 17:11 - "For the life of a creature is in the blood"

Acts 15:29 - "You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals, and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things."

Don't you find it odd, that if a mother and child have different blood types, the child is still considered the mother? Odd... Don't you find it odd, that in Acts, we are commanded to obey the above conditions, yet people say "I am free by grace to do whatever I want - blessed is the man who does not condemn himself by what he approves?" Which one should we condemn- the girl for allowing it, or the boy for being part of it too? Or why not also condemn the parents for allowing their children to be able to have a chance to have sex? Or why not Hollywood for making movies that they can market off even though they feature "softcore pornography" which should be regulated by federal law but isn't- because they have a PG-13 or R label which inevitably cause the standard for what is acceptable to get further and further away from the truth? Maybe the Senate and House of Representatives for not passing a law to ban it even though they had ample evidence but still choose that a child's life is a mother's body? Or maybe we should blame every Christian in America for having a lukewarm attitude on the subject and allowing it to escalate to the degree of which it has by refusing to stand up for what is right and stand up for those who can't stand up for themselves?? Who do we want to blame? Why do we want to blame? Instead, why don't we show love and kindness to those who have fallen into that trap and now find themselves in that posistion, and all take a stand for what we know to be correct? Why is this 17-year old ranting and raving so much on this? I mean who could actually care about the unborn children that he knows nothing about nor has ever had to worry about finding himself in that posistion?

Don't you see that we always get off onto "why" and "what" and "who" instead of "how to fix it?" And we blame instead of love. And probably people will even get mad at me for typing this because it's too long and asks too many questions without caring enough to take the thoughts to heart. Does anyone else see something wrong with the whole thing??

And what's wrong with Texas?

 

[ZooMom]

We shouldn't condemn anyone. That is God's job. But we can discern right and wrong, and speak to each accordingly. As Br. Max said, any sexual relations outside of the Sacrament of Marriage is wrong. Except in cases of rape, both parties are responsible. The problems come when people want to foist their own responsibilities onto someone else so that they can have the kicks without taking the consequences.

How do we fix it? We can't. At least not quickly. There is no way to accomplish a worldwide moral overhaul without God's direct and obvious intervention. What are we left with? Raising our children with proper moral values. Teaching our sons to be men does not include showing them how to make chalk marks on the car fender to correspond to the number of girls they have talked into the backseat. And teaching our daughters to be women does not include letting them use their sexuality as a hammer to get what they want. If we want society to respect young women then it's up to the parents to raise young women that society *can* respect, instead of giving them role models like Brittney Spears. If we want society to change it's concept of what 'makes a man' then we have to raise young men to think with the brain *above* the snap on their Levi's and to have more dignity and respect for their own personal chastity.

Whew! Looks like rants are catching! God bless you, sbb...etc.... Umm....you got a nickname? That's a mouthfull!


Peace be with you.

 

[sbbqb7n16]

Pretty much anything you call me is fine... and I just kinda emptied it all out in that one... glad I got it out though