Unanswered Question of the Day!

[smachen]

Unanswered Question of the Day!
Question of the Day:

Why are animals mortal?


Humans became mortal when Adam & Eve ate off the Tree of Knowledge of Good & Evil. But animals never ate off that tree, so why are they mortal, too, like us? Were they never immortal in the first place, or did God make them mortal when humans became mortal?
If you reckon you know the answer, please reply!

 

[Cribstyl]

Unanswered Question of the Day!
Question of the Day:

Why are animals mortal?


Humans became mortal when Adam & Eve ate off the Tree of Knowledge of Good & Evil. But animals never ate off that tree, so why are they mortal, too, like us? Were they never immortal in the first place, or did God make them mortal when humans became mortal?
If you reckon you know the answer, please reply!

Hmm?? What a pickle..... Man were created in the image of God. (God is Spirit)
The breathe of God that was breathed into the first man is an eternal flame that goes back to God after death.
Mortal simply means able to die. God formed the animals and the flesh of man to die in the earth.

Animals were made to die.

 

[smachen]

Hmm?? What a pickle..... Man were created in the image of God. (God is Spirit)
The breathe of God that was breathed into the first man is an eternal flame that goes back to God after death.
Mortal simply means able to die. God formed the animals and the flesh of man to die in the earth.

Animals were made to die.

Thank you for answering my Question of the Day, god bless.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Why are animals mortal?


Humans became mortal when Adam & Eve ate off the Tree of Knowledge of Good & Evil. But animals never ate off that tree, so why are they mortal, too, like us? Were they never immortal in the first place, or did God make them mortal when humans became mortal?
If you reckon you know the answer, please reply!

Perhaps because animals do not have to worry about obeying YAHWEH or His Son Jesus?
The difference is, tho all DIE eventually, only Humans/Mankind can obtain eternal life after death.

1 John 2:25 And this is the promise that He has promised us -- eternal life.
1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us an understanding, that we may know Him who is true;
and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ.
This is the true God and eternal life.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7685872/
Are Humans animals?

What the title says.

Doesn't matter if you think that Humans were created by God or not, whether you are Christian or atheist, think creationism (any form) or evolution is correct.

Are Humans animals?

 

[Tangible]

Hmm?? What a pickle..... Man were created in the image of God. (God is Spirit)
The breathe of God that was breathed into the first man is an eternal flame that goes back to God after death.
Mortal simply means able to die. God formed the animals and the flesh of man to die in the earth.

Animals were made to die.

Respectfully disagree. I think Genesis is pretty clear that death entered the world at the fall, therefore animals were not originally made to die, but have been subjected to death with all creation because of man's sin.

Likewise, it is my personal opinion that there will be animals with us in the New Earth, and since there will be no death these animals will indeed be immortal by default.

For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God. For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now. And not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies.
(Romans 8:19-23 ESV)

 

[SummaScriptura]

How many times must the cannonballs fly before they're forever banned?

 

[Knee V]

Romans 8:20-23
"20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; 21 because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now." (NKJV)

All of creation was subjected to the effects of our sin. Everything has been "subjected to futility". That would include the various forms of life.

 

[SummaScriptura]

Romans 8:20-23
"20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; 21 because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now." (NKJV)

All of creation was subjected to the effects of our sin. Everything has been "subjected to futility". That would include the various forms of life.

Apparently, there was already death in the world before sin.

How did the food-chain operate otherwise?

How could God threaten Adam with death in the day in which he eats thereof if Adam had no frame of reference?

Adam and Eve had access to perpetual life by reason of on-going access to the fruit on the Tree of Life, apparently.

 

[Knee V]

Apparently, there was already death in the world before sin.

How did the food-chain operate otherwise?

How could God threaten Adam with death in the day in which he eats thereof if Adam had no frame of reference?

Adam and Eve had access to perpetual life by reason of on-going access to the fruit on the Tree of Life, apparently.

I certainly understand the logic of what it is you're saying, but I disagree with the certainty of your conclusions. After all, we have no frame of reference for their situation, so the best that we can do is to judge the pre-fallen world by our post-fallen world standards.

 

[LantanaAnna]

There was no death in the world prior to the Fall.
We have to understand that entering mortality was a plan, and that all creatures and plants are subject to the laws of the Creator. And as yet, we don't know all the laws of Our Father in Heaven.

 

[FredVB]

Humans became mortal when Adam & Eve ate off the Tree of Knowledge of Good & Evil. But animals never ate off that tree, so why are they mortal, too, like us? Were they never immortal in the first place, or did God make them mortal when humans became mortal?
If you reckon you know the answer, please reply!

Mortal simply means able to die. God formed the animals and the flesh of man to die in the earth.
Animals were made to die.

Perhaps because animals do not have to worry about obeying YAHWEH or His Son Jesus?
The difference is, tho all DIE eventually, only Humans/Mankind can obtain eternal life after death.

Respectfully disagree. I think Genesis is pretty clear that death entered the world at the fall, therefore animals were not originally made to die, but have been subjected to death with all creation because of man's sin.
Likewise, it is my personal opinion that there will be animals with us in the New Earth, and since there will be no death these animals will indeed be immortal by default.

Romans 8:20-23
"20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; 21 because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now." (NKJV)

All of creation was subjected to the effects of our sin. Everything has been "subjected to futility". That would include the various forms of life.

Tangible had the best response and this Romans passage used is good to see for this too. There was no death before the fall, death came by one man. All this world is subject to the corruption, with death, from that. And the natural order groans with that and all life waits for the redemption. Animals are not made simply with the purpose to die, they suffer with creation from the corruption from the fall, that brought death. It is not their fault. The redemption that is anticipated is with the redeemed, the unredeemed of humanity that would not respond favorably to the grace of Yahweh God will not come to that, but Yahweh will restore creation as it was meant to be, the animal life that anticipates it will be there within Yahweh's perfect plan, there will never be death again. See Isaiah 11:6-9, it is significant enough for the theme to be repeated, Isaiah 65:25. I can
nswer, though I do not know as fact such scripture and the gracious goodness of the Creator of all makes me very sure, animals now will be given life again then, they were not meant for just the suffering and will not have just that on account of our fall, but will have that which is said they anticipate. Believers caring for their pets might have a sense of that.

Apparently, there was already death in the world before sin.

How did the food-chain operate otherwise?

How could God threaten Adam with death in the day in which he eats thereof if Adam had no frame of reference?

All were herbivorous, we were vegetarian according to Yahweh's perfect design. The language first used surely said what death is.

 

[SummaScriptura]

There was no death in the world prior to the Fall.
We have to understand that entering mortality was a plan, and that all creatures and plants are subject to the laws of the Creator. And as yet, we don't know all the laws of Our Father in Heaven.

You sound like you were there!

Were you one of the "Us", when he said "Let Us..."?

 

[SummaScriptura]

<snip>All were herbivorous, we were vegetarian according to Yahweh's perfect design. The language first used surely said what death is.

So you believe Adam predated all carnivorous animals, like dragonflies for instance?

 

[GratiaCorpusChristi]

Actually, I have to disagree with part of the premise. The majority opinion of the church fathers throughout the first millennium and straight up through the Reformation was that Adam and Eve were immortal, but by grace, not by nature. Their nature was mortal and required eating from the tree of life, which would one day be replaced by permanent grace through the incarnation of the Second Person of the Trinity.

That is one of many reasons I have no problem with animal death prior to the fall, and no problem with it after the restoration of all creation. Immortality (sharing in God's own eternity) is for us, made after his image, and prepared for us by his most true image, the Second Person of the Trinity incarnate, Jesus Christ- not animals.

 

[Tangible]

So if A&E had not sinned, but stopped eating from the Tree of Life, they would have eventually died? I doubt that essential human nature is mortal, because our Older Brother, Jesus, is immortal, and but for a brief transition, we will all be spirit+body beings for eternity. Otherwise, we would be subject to death in the New Earth.

 

[98cwitr]

all things flesh are mortal. this is my answer.

 

[GratiaCorpusChristi]

So if A&E had not sinned, but stopped eating from the Tree of Life, they would have eventually died? I doubt that essential human nature is mortal, because our Older Brother, Jesus, is immortal, and but for a brief transition, we will all be spirit+body beings for eternity. Otherwise, we would be subject to death in the New Earth.

If Adam and Eve had ceased to eat from the tree of life, that would be cutting themselves off from the very source of life. That would certainly be as grave a sin as eating from the wrong tree.

And actually, Jesus was mortal. He was raised to immortality. But he, a sinless human being, died. What we lost in the fall was grace, not our nature.

 

[SummaScriptura]

Actually, I have to disagree with part of the premise. The majority opinion of the church fathers throughout the first millennium and straight up through the Reformation was that Adam and Eve were immortal, but by grace, not by nature. Their nature was mortal and required eating from the tree of life, which would one day be replaced by permanent grace through the incarnation of the Second Person of the Trinity.

That is one of many reasons I have no problem with animal death prior to the fall, and no problem with it after the restoration of all creation. Immortality (sharing in God's own eternity) is for us, made after his image, and prepared for us by his most true image, the Second Person of the Trinity incarnate, Jesus Christ- not animals.

I agree.

Am I to understand you that the Reformers did not deviate on this?

 

[Tangible]

If Adam and Eve had ceased to eat from the tree of life, that would be cutting themselves off from the very source of life. That would certainly be as grave a sin as eating from the wrong tree.

Conceded.

And actually, Jesus was mortal. He was raised to immortality. But he, a sinless human being, died.

Died as we do, or in a different way?

No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from my Father.”
(John 10:18 ESV)

What we lost in the fall was grace, not our nature.

But was that nature essentially mortal or immortal?

 

[SummaScriptura]

all things flesh are mortal. this is my answer.

I often hear people say this and seem to imply that the flesh will pass. Too, its a recurring Christian error that the flesh is evil in its essence, (though I'm not saying you are in error in this way). I don't beleive the flesh will pass. We are flesh animated by life which is in the blood, according to Scripture. The source of the life of the flesh is destined to change, the life is in Christ's Spirit.

Remember after His resurrection, Jesus said "a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have". Apparently, Jesus no longer has blood. We will have flesh and bones if we are to be like him-- no blood. The source of our life will solely be Christ in us. My point is, resurrection infers the "flesh" is not going away.