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ukaine or russia?

i support

  • ukraine

  • russia

  • both

  • none


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a_ntv

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When in November I was in Ucraina (in the safe West part), I was so impressed by the pictures of the young soldiers dead, placed in the main square of a little village above some candles. I pray for these men who died, and for the poor families they left.

And I pray also for the poor Russian soldiers who also died, not for their fault, and for their families.

This war has a per day rate of soldiers death higher than WWI and WWII.
Both Russia and Ukraine has already lost the lives of their youngs.
 
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In other words a Eurasian strongman. I find nothing admirable in those who "project strength" by physical force.
Just as I find nothing admirable in men who dance in high heels. Each to his own I guess.
 
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Just as I find nothing admirable in men who dance in high heels. Each to his own I guess.
Hm. War monger? Entertainer? Who to choose?
 
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Just as I find nothing admirable in men who dance in high heels. Each to his own I guess.

I am unfamiliar with this event, but Zelenskyi was an entertainer before politics, so I suppose anything was possible. It's a path that has played out in my own country, so I don't find it that shocking for an entertainer to be elected to high office. This seems a rather flimsy reason to support one nation in a deadly struggle with another.
 
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You make this choice based on a video from an internet nobody interviewing a right-wing conspiracy peddler?
No Hans , in my world everybody already knows what's really going on. I chose him because he's the most outspoken and knowledgeable being ex military etc
 
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No Hans , in my world everybody already knows what's really going on. I chose him because he's the most outspoken and knowledgeable being ex military etc

Ex-military is dime-a-dozen. They are all over the place and that fact tells me nothing about the trustworthiness of the speaker.

I get my info on the war almost exclusively from persons who speak at least Russian and usually Ukrainian as well. (That includes the propagandists on Russian state TV.) I get none of it from conspiracy theorists who go on InfoWars.
 
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Ex-military is dime-a-dozen. They are all over the place and that fact tells me nothing about the trustworthiness of the speaker.

I get my info on the war almost exclusively from persons who speak at least Russian and usually Ukrainian as well. (That includes the propagandists on Russian state TV.) I get none of it from conspiracy theorists who go on InfoWars.
Well good for you Hans , maybe you should get a job as a commentator.
 
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What impresses me the most about this forum is the lack of articulation of the history and causes leading to the conflict in Ukraine. Can anyone remember anything back as far as 2014? If not, let Col. Douglas Macgregor refresh your memory:


Start with Macgregor, then move on to Scott Ritter, both from military intelligence, and to Ray McGovern and Larry C. Johnson, both ex-CIA. You will not encounter any of this in the propaganda media that is mainstream.
 
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What impresses me the most about this forum is the lack of articulation of the history and causes leading to the conflict in Ukraine. Can anyone remember anything back as far as 2014? If not, let Col. Douglas Macgregor refresh your memory:


Start with Macgregor, then move on to Scott Ritter, both from military intelligence, and to Ray McGovern and Larry C. Johnson, both ex-CIA. You will not encounter any of this in the propaganda media that is mainstream.
MacGregor? Ritter? Did you forget Mearschmidt?

Ritter has got to be high on the list of "people most likely to be arrested as agents of Russia". His home was recently searched.
 
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MacGregor? Ritter? Did you forget Mearschmidt?

Ritter has got to be high on the list of "people most likely to be arrested as agents of Russia". His home was recently searched.
"Did you forget Mearschmidt?" I don't know of any "Mearschmidt". Have you perhaps meant John Mearsheimer?


If you cannot get your facts straight on something as simple as the spelling of proper nouns, how can we trust you when you pontificate about there not being any God?

As for Ritter, have you not heard that for the criminals in power, truth is illegal? Has Ritter been telling too much of the truth about Russia that is damaging to the propaganda attempting to villainize it?
 
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