UK v US homicide rate 1. it's the guns

[Rick Otto]

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And oh my.. these fine gentleman look like outstanding citizens.
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HEY! I bought a bible from that guy!

(Just keeding)

 

[Murby]

I understand that the genetic variety among present day humans is less than within a variety of chimps. I would be inclined to think of the Neanderthals as a separate race of humans, we may have interbred a bit with them, but of all present day humans as a single race with slight genetic variants, Germanic, Viking, Asiatic, and 8 who were until very recently in Africa. There is no such thing as a 'black race'. The tallest people in the World are of African origin as also are the shortest, how can there possibly be one black race? The differences in IQs has been comprehensively found to be cultural, if it wasn't then your kids who likely outperform you by 20 points (even after correcting for age) would have to be of a different race.

Thank you for posting that.. there are elements in there I did not know.

+1

 

[OldWiseGuy]

And after several of my arguments showing how wrong you are, you've been reduced to abandoning any racial wide characteristics and have narrowed your opinion and statements to just "inner city black gangster culture"..

You really need to read what I say more carefully. You are constantly adding assumptions, racism being the most egregious. It wouldn't hurt to educate yourself about the subject either.

Wow, that's a much more precise statement now that you have geographically identified and singled out a specific environment. But we have a little way to go before we're home because you're still stuck on "BLACK"... Did I misinterpret your quotes or your meaning anywhere along the way? If so, please quote and correct as required.

"Black" and Hispanic is what I'm talking about, not white violence. That's a different subject.

 

[Murby]

You really need to read what I say more carefully. You are constantly adding assumptions, racism being the most egregious.

May I suggest you look up the definition of "racism" ??
Wait.. hold that.. I'll do it for you..
rac·ism
ˈrāˌsizəm/
noun
noun: racism
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

Calling blacks and Hispanics "more violent" than whites is absolutely a statement of racism.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

May I suggest you look up the definition of "racism" ??
Wait.. hold that.. I'll do it for you..
rac·ism
ˈrāˌsizəm/
noun
noun: racism
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

Calling blacks and Hispanics "more violent" than whites is absolutely a statement of racism.

Facts are stubborn things. Maybe you should apprise yourself of them in this regard.

 

[supersoldier71]

May I suggest you look up the definition of "racism" ??
Wait.. hold that.. I'll do it for you..
rac·ism
ˈrāˌsizəm/
noun
noun: racism
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

Calling blacks and Hispanics "more violent" than whites is absolutely a statement of racism.

Yes, that is the most racist thing I've ever seen on this forum in fact.

As an African-American man with a background in social psychology, always remember this: "It's the economy, stupid." It was Bill Clinton's way of reminding his staffers what was important to constituents. Well, the ECONOMIC part of Socioeconomic Status is a better predictor of criminal activity than any racial metric Old Wise Guy cares to bring up.

The funny thing about racists though, is that, going back to slavers and slaveholders, they never think they're attitudes are racist, they just have a better grip on the "natural order of things".

"Warrior gene"???

Let me bake some noodles with some facts about inner city residents. The lead paint on the walls of Baltimore housing projects (as one example) poisoned 93,000 (!!!) children as documented by the Maryland State Board of Health, over the last 2 decades. Look up the effects of lead poisoning on child development, and then tell me if you think it's genetic.

God bless.

 

[Dave-W]

Calling blacks and Hispanics "more violent" than whites is absolutely a statement of racism.

Which "race" is "Hispanic?" Black? White? Asian? Native American? Polynesian?

"Hispanic" is an ethnicity, NOT a race.

 

[Dave-W]

Well, the ECONOMIC part of Socioeconomic Status is a better predictor of criminal activity than any racial metric Old Wise Guy cares to bring up.

Very true. And I would add abuse and discrimination, whether real or imagined.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Let me bake some noodles with some facts about inner city residents. The lead paint on the walls of Baltimore housing projects (as one example) poisoned 93,000 (!!!) children as documented by the Maryland State Board of Health, over the last 2 decades. Look up the effects of lead poisoning on child development, and then tell me if you think it's genetic.

God bless.

I purposely omitted contributing factors. That's for a different discussion.

 

[supersoldier71]

I purposely omitted contributing factors. That's for a different discussion.

No, it's the first refuge of someone with nefarious intentions.

State a fact without articulating the contributing factors. "Blacks". Your use of that expression instead of "black people" or "African-Americans" is also informative.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

No, it's the first refuge of someone with nefarious intentions.

State a fact without articulating the contributing factors. "Blacks". Your use of that expression instead of "black people" or "African-Americans" is also informative.

My intentions are to retain my gun rights (context my friend, context). See the OP.

 

[supersoldier71]

My intentions are to retain my gun rights (context my friend, context). See the OP.

Cool. Racist rhetoric is counter-productive.

Spoken as an American, Professional Soldier, gun owner (bought my first handgun the day after my 21st birthday) AND an African-American.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Cool. Racist rhetoric is counter-productive.

Not cool to assign anything that offends you as a black man as racist. No one gets a pass because they are downtrodden.

Bought my first gun at 16. Ordered a Stevens-Savage-Fox 20 gauge shotgun from Monty Wards catalogue. Picked it up at the counter, no questions asked. That was 1956, when we could take our guns on the city bus to the edge of the town to go hunting.

 

[supersoldier71]

Not cool to assign anything that offends you as a black man as racist. No one gets a pass because they are downtrodden.

African-American. Attributing behavioral characteristics on the basis of ethnicity is racist.

Downtrodden is one thing. Saddled with cognitive deficits because of lead poisoning quite another.

 

[Murby]

Not cool to assign anything that offends you as a black man as racist. No one gets a pass because they are downtrodden.

You're not going to win this..
It offends me too and I'm a white guy..
Your take on this subject is wrong in every respect.. Ethically, morally, scientifically, socially, etc.

An intelligent and honorable person would just admit they are wrong, learn from their mistake(s), and adjust their perceptions accordingly. We all make mistakes.. its what you do afterwards that reflects on you're character.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

African-American. Attributing behavioral characteristics on the basis of ethnicity is racist.

I agree, and I didn't.

I'm European-American, but you can refer to me as "white".

Downtrodden is one thing. Saddled with cognitive deficits because of lead poisoning quite another.

My comments are made without regard to any cause. The conversation isn't mature enough to bring causes into it.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

You're not going to win this..
It offends me too and I'm a white guy..
Your take on this subject is wrong in every respect.. Ethically, morally, scientifically, socially, etc.

An intelligent and honorable person would just admit they are wrong, learn from their mistake(s), and adjust their perceptions accordingly. We all make mistakes.. its what you do afterwards that reflects on you're character.

I've already won. There is no seriously restrictive gun legislation in the pipeline. Washington is seeing the same information that I'm seeing. You could say that I'm just reviewing some of the reasons why we win.