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Of very questionable value. It is NOT bible, and was NOT written by Enoch.

Maybe not in your Bible, but it was scripture according to the brother of Jesus; Jude.

The Book of Enoch, Section I

Jude quoted the Book of Enoch.

Jude 1:14 Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about them: "See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones

So I guess that would mean that the Epistles of Jude were not inspired either and should not be canonical, right?
 
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The same could be said for the NT, also not written by it's authors.

Every book in the NT was written by an unidentified Greek copywriter and not a single fragment of the originating texts exist.

Hebrews and Acts don't even have authors, but were written anonymously and nobody knows who authored them.
Seriously disagree.
 
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Maybe not in your Bible, but it was scripture according to the brother of Jesus; Jude.

The Book of Enoch, Section I

Jude quoted the Book of Enoch.

Jude 1:14 Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about them: "See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones

So I guess that would mean that the Epistles of Jude were not inspired either and should not be canonical, right?
Just because they quoted it does not make it inspired. Were the pagan Greek poets Paul quoted inspired?
 
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Seriously disagree.

Have a look for yourself.

Dating the Bible - Wikipedia

Original texts found to date = 0

Left side dates are speculative and are not known since there's no originating texts and almost 0 historical facts.

Far right side dates are the earliest known papyrus, large majority are 200 - 400CE

Jesus was resurrected 30-33CE.

Two books do not have authors: Hebrews & Acts.

Every NT Bible that's ever been published was founded on books written by unidentified Greek copywriters hundreds of years after Jesus resurrection.

By far the worst part is the fact that 3 authors didn't even know Jesus; Paul, Luke & Mark.

Yet people often quote passages from these books as "Jesus said"...when in fact not a single word that Paul wrote came from Jesus. Paul's teaching often conflicts with Jesus' teaching.

Luke & Mark's sources are completely unknown and are not direct quotes from Jesus either, but 3rd or 4th parties or direct copies of other testimony like Matthew.

These 3 authors make up 70% of the NT, none of it is direct quotes from Jesus.

Jude was Jesus' brother and an apostle, so if he's quoting the book of Enoch in his own testimony...I'd say that over-rules anything that a non-eyewitness authored.
 
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Every NT Bible that's ever been published was founded on books written by unidentified Greek copywriters hundreds of years after Jesus resurrection.
Sorry - that does not work.

The texts HAVE to be in a Semitic tongue originally. (Hebrew, Aramaic) Greek does not support the linguistic peculiarities found in the texts.

I suggest you read George Lamsa's translation notes on his english translation of the Peshita.

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https://smile.amazon.com/Modern-New...526550835&sr=8-1&keywords=lamsa+new+testament

This edition used NO GREEK texts at all.
 
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Enoch walked with God and is believed by many to be one of the Two Witnesses.
Book of Enoch was written in the First Centuries. (bc, ad) Enoch was dead millennia before that book was written.

And if he is "one of the two witnesses," then it was written millennia BEFORE his return.
 
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Sorry - that does not work.

Biblical manuscript - Wikipedia

"One thing is certain, the earliest New Testament of the Syriac church lacked not only the Antilegomena – 2 Peter, 2 and 3 John, Jude, and the Apocalypse – but the whole of the Catholic Epistles. These were at a later date translated and received into the Syriac Canon of the New Testament, as the quotations of the early Syrian Fathers take no notice of these New Testament writings."

There are 0 original texts, all NT's were founded on the Greek copies....including the Syriac.

Even the word "Bible" originated from Greek.
 
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Two books do not have authors: Hebrews & Acts.

Every NT Bible that's ever been published was founded on books written by unidentified Greek copywriters hundreds of years after Jesus resurrection.

By far the worst part is the fact that 3 authors didn't even know Jesus; Paul, Luke & Mark.

I know of no bible or theology professors at Andrews that agree with your position.
 
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Book of Enoch was written in the First Centuries.

Book of Enoch - Wikipedia

300BC - 100BC

Pre-dates Jesus by 300 years.

Stating that Enoch was not the writer of the copied text is obvious, but then so should be every other Biblical account.

If everyone were to just ignore copied books, like the NT, you wouldn't even be a Christian.

The Book of Enoch was not canonized because the early church fathers threw away anything that didn't fit into the narrative that they designed. Same can be said for other apocryphal texts, but that doesn't mean that they were not inspired.

It wasn't until the 16th century that the Catholic church decided to include the Deuterocanonical books into the Bible. Prior to then they were considered to be apocryphal.
 
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I've provided evidence for everything.
Wikipedia is not "evidence."
They are just posting the rantings of unbelievers.

Do you know what your own SDA church teaches on veracity of the New Testament?
 
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Wikipedia is not "evidence."
They are just posting the rantings of unbelievers.

Wikipedia provides the sources for everything at the bottom of the page.

So rather than criticizing the evidence provided, point out which part of the evidence you disagree with.
 
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If you never watched http://www.truelegendstheseries.com/portfolio-post/true-legends-episode-ii-the-unholy-see/ I would highly recommend this documentary. Very informative and right on the money.

Christianity has conveniently buried the truth and it's why the vast majority of Christians are morons and don't know a thing about the Old Testament.

Here's the full movie that you're referencing, I'm watching it right now:

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/248025075

I'm not expecting anything new, but certain groups of peeps really need to wake up....

Something that I will add that most people have no prior knowledge.

Ancient megaliths were not cut using tools, they were probably cut using a green laser or a plasma cutter. Green lasers are used almost exclusively now for cutting diamond rough and would most certainly be used to cut monolithic stone.
 
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Strong words but I can agree with you Shek. And thanks for the link, I didn't know it's possible to watch this film for free on Twitch...

Usually it isn't....free....and is almost always spam when you do find links.

Gotta search the net to find the published freebies.

Takes time and effort, something that is sorely lacking in "certain groups".

Thanks for pointing out this video, I hope that others can benefit and be more motivated to discover the truth for themselves....
 
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