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UFO's Real or Not?

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London, England (CNN) -- A hovering Toblerone and a silky-white residue join near-misses and strange lights in the British government's latest release of its files on UFO sightings.
Made public Thursday, the files are the fifth collection of records about unidentified flying objects to be released by the Ministry of Defence and The National Archives as part of a project to open the files up to a wider audience.
Thursday's release is the largest so far, totaling more than 6,000 pages of material from 1994 to 2000.
The files include a sighting by a man in Birmingham, England, in March 1997. He said he came home from work at 4 a.m. to see a large blue triangle-shaped craft hovering over his back garden.
It was silent but caused dogs in the neighborhood to bark, the report said. It "shot off and disappeared" after about three minutes, the report said, leaving behind a "silky-white substance" on the treetops, some of which he saved in a jar.
It was not clear what happened to the jar and its contents.
Another document, from January 1997, is about a man driving home through south Wales one night when he saw "a 'tube of light' coming down from the sky," which at first seemed like a "massive star" coming toward him.
The man's mobile phone and car radio failed, the report said, and the man got out of his car and was able to walk through the light. It said he got back in his car but started feeling sick, and he soon developed a skin condition for which he had to see a doctor.
His car was left covered in dirt and dust, the report said.
Other reports are about sightings by groups of people, including one from August 1997 in which five members of a fishing trawler in the North Sea reported seeing a round, flat, shiny object hovering in the sky.
They saw it both with the naked eye and through binoculars, with the report noting, "witness very skeptical of UFOs." They tracked the object on their radar for several seconds before it vanished, the report said.
Police officers in Boston, England, and Skegness -- both on England's east coast, caught a UFO on video at the same time that the Royal Air Force (RAF) detected an "unidentified blip" on their radar, the files show.
It happened in October 1996, when the officers saw "strange rotating red, blue, green and white flashing lights in the sky," the report said. A ship in The Wash, a bay near Boston, also saw the lights, and at the same time RAF air defense radars picked up the blip over Boston, the report said.
Press coverage of the incident led the RAF to look into the lights, later identifying some as stars and bright planets, and attributing the radar blip to a "permanent echo" created by a nearby church spire.
The release highlights how the reported shapes of UFOs have changed during the past half-century, the National Archives said. Many of the reports in the latest file describe UFOs as big, black and triangular, whereas reports from the 1940s and '50s tended to be about saucers or disc-shaped objects, they said.
"In the 1950s the next big leap in technology was thought to be a round craft that took off vertically, and it's intriguing to note that this is the same period when people began to report seeing 'flying saucers' in the sky," said David Clarke, author of a book called The UFO Files and a journalism lecturer at Sheffield Hallam University.
He pointed out that in the years covered by the latest file release, triangle-shaped U.S. stealth bombers and Aurora spy planes featured heavily on TV shows like "The X-Files" and movies like Independence Day.
"It's impossible to prove a direct link between what people are reading and watching and what they report as UFOs, but one interpretation could be that the latest advances in technology may be influencing what people see in the sky," he said.
A craving for chocolate may have influenced another sighting, that of a "Toblerone-shaped" UFO hovering over Annandale, Scotland, in July 1994. The Toblerone is a triangular-shaped Swiss chocolate candy bar. The files include a sketch of the object, which showed it as 35-40 feet long and about 20 feet wide.
It hovered silently about 10 feet above a field with no lights and was "observed for at least 40 minutes," the report said.
The release also contains several incidents involving UFOs and aircraft, such as a near-miss that happened in January 1995 when a British Airways Boeing 737 was approaching Manchester airport. The captain and a crew member saw the object, but an investigation by the Civil Aviation Authority failed to identify it, the report said.
An airliner near Glasgow Airport saw white and red flashing lights in December 1996, but the report simply concluded there was no RAF activity in the area at the time.

Britain releases new UFO files - CNN.com
 
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If it isn't the almighty creator of the entire universe who is intently fixated upon our little planet then surely some highly advanced, quasi magical alien race must be watching over us.
There must be something out there that cares we are alive. Surely.


There are any number of explanations for these UFOs and all of them are more plausible than there being a highly developed intelligent species in relatively close proximity to Earth at the same time as humanity who somehow detected our presence, managed to travel here and for some reason are just loitering in our airspace.
 
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I have found this man Chuck Missler and his articles on this subject to be very informative from a Christian perspective

http://www.khouse.org/topical_bible_study/nephilim/


Topical Bible Study: Aliens/Nephilim
Introduction:
Are aliens and alien abductions dealt with in the Bible?! Who or what are the "nephilim" in the book of Genesis? Are they still here? Are UFOs real? What does the phrase "as the days of Noah were" mean? Will these Nephilim play a part in a massive end-times deception?

There continues to be a flow of articles, books, and entertainment programs dealing with UFO's, aliens, and the like.1 Many wonder if there is a connection or relationship to the prediction of our Lord in Luke 17:26:
"And as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of Man."
The emergence of the "Nephilim" was what brought about the Flood of Noah. Who were they? Is the current interest in the possibility of "alien" involvements some how of Biblical relevance?
The Nephilim
Genesis 6 indicates that the "sons of God" (B'nai Elohim) took wives of the "daughters of men," which gave birth to the "Nephilim." What on earth was going on?
The B'nai Elohim is a term that refers to angels. It occurs four times in the Old Testament 2 and is rendered "Angels of God" in the ancient Septuagin translation.3 The intrusion of certain angels into the human family resulted in unnatural offspring termed Nephilim, which derives from the Hebrew naphal (to fall), or the Fallen Ones. (The Greek Septuagint renders this term gigantes, which actually means "earth-born." This is often misunderstood to mean "giants"--which they also happen to have been, incidentally.)
"Line of Seth?"
The early church viewed the B'nai Elohim as angels up through the late fourth century: Justin, Athenagoras, Cyprian, Eusebius, et al. (also Josephus, Philo, Judeaus, and the Apochrypha regard this view).
Celsus and Julian the Apostate exploited the older common belief to attack Christianity. Cyril of Alexandria, in his reply, repudiated the orthodox position. Julius Africanus (a contemporary of Origen) introduced the theory that the "sons of God" simply referred to the genealogical line of Seth, which was committed to preserving the true worship of God.
Seemingly more appealing, the "Sethite theory" prevailed into the Medieval Church, and many still hold this view.
This view, however, has several serious problems. There is no indication that the Sethites were distinguished for piety; they were not exempted from the charge of general wickedness which brought on the flood. In fact, Seth's son Enosh was the one who introduced apostasy to that world. This is masked by a mistranslation of Genesis 4:25, which should read:
"...then men began to profane the name of the Lord."4
Furthermore, when the faithful marry the unfaithful, they do not give birth to unnatural offspring! And the "daughters of men" were not differentiated with regard to the Flood. All were lost.5
(Incidentally, the Nephilim didn't completely end with the flood. Genesis 6:4 mentions, "...and also after that..." We find the sons fo Anak, the Anakim, later in the Old Testament.)6
The Reason for the Flood
It was the infusion of these strange beings into the human predicament that brought on the Flood of Noah. The Flood was preceded by four generations of prophets/preachers warning of the coming judgment: Enoch, Methuselah, Lamech, and Noah.
It seems that this was part of Satan's stratagem to corrupt the line of Adam to prevent the fulfillment of the Messianic redemption. Noah was apparently unique in that his genealogy was still uncorrupted.7
The strange events which led to the flood are also alluded to in ancient mythologies.8 The legends of the Greek "titans"--partly terrestrial, partly celestial--embrace these same memories.9 (The Greek titan is linguistically linked to the Chaldean sheitan, and the Hebrew satan.)
The Angels that Sinned
There is a great deal revealed in the Bible about angels. They can appear in human form,10 they spoke as men, took men by the hand, even ate men's food,11 are capable of direct physical combat,12 some are the principal forces behind the world powers.13 They don't marry (in Heaven),14 but apparently are (or were) capable of much mischief.15
The strange events of Genesis Chapter 6 are also referred to in the New Testament. Peter refers to events preceding the flood of Noah:
"For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment..." 2 Peter 2:4
(Peter uses the term tartarus, here translated as hell. This was a Greek term for "the dark abode of woe, the pit of darkness in the unseen world." Homer's Iliad portrays tartarus "as far below hades as the earth is below Heaven...")
Also, in Jude, it mentions them:
"And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire." Jude 6,7.
Scripture warns against meddling with the spirit world. The punishment which overtook the angels that sinned was to emphasize the serious nature of apostasy: beings of a higher order than ours have been hurled down into a dark place of confinement where they have remained for thousands of years.
God has not changed His attitude toward them; time has not mitigated the seriousness of their sin. False teachers are prewritten into condemnation.
The "Sons of God" Return?
There are many who believe that the recent "alien" involvements are also demonic and are just another precursor to the end-time. Some also believe that the Coming World Leader (for more information on the Coming World Leader, see our Briefing Package) may boast of an "alien connection." It would be consistent from what else we can infer from Scripture.
(The Restrainer of II Thessalonians 2 may be restraining far more than we have any suspicion of! When He is removed, the world is in for some astonishing surprises!)16
In the meantime, what are our weapons of protection against such things? We do, indeed, "wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
Our armor is well defined in Ephesians 6:10-17.
 
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I don't know, but I tend to believe that there is life elsewhere in the universe. The life, however, may not be life as we currently understand it.
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In an infinite universe all things are not only possible they are inevitable. In a finite universe not so much.
 
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In an infinite universe all things are not only possible they are inevitable. In a finite universe not so much.

Not necessarily true.

For instance take the set of all positive even integers (2, 4, 6, 8, ...) This set is infinite, yet is is missing many numbers (irrationals, odds, negatives)

Being infinite does not mean having everything.
 
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I was going to say the same: some of them are real, but real what? We don't know because their unidentified.

Others are reflections (so not real objects), illusions and/or hoaxes.
 
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If it isn't the almighty creator of the entire universe who is intently fixated upon our little planet then surely some highly advanced, quasi magical alien race must be watching over us.
There must be something out there that cares we are alive. Surely.
I think it's more the opposite. I think space aliens are the modern day equivalent of ideas about monsters and such in unexplored areas or way out to sea.
 
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Not necessarily true.

For instance take the set of all positive even integers (2, 4, 6, 8, ...) This set is infinite, yet is is missing many numbers (irrationals, odds, negatives)

Being infinite does not mean having everything.

numbers are finite in the sense that they are numbers. They are only infinite in the sense that they are unending they are not infinite in the sense that they are without boundaries. A universe to be infinite would be boundless. Also universe exists in time and space. Numbers are a concept of the mind without any material existence.
 
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Astronaut Gordon Cooper



"For many years I have lived with a secret, in a secrecy imposed on all specialists in astronautics. I can now reveal that everyday, in the USA, our radar instruments capture objects of form and composition unknown to us.''

On May 15, 1963 he shot into space in a Mercury capsule for a 22 orbit journey around the world. During the final orbit, Major Cooper told the tracking station at Muchea Australia that he could see a glowing, greenish object ahead of him quickly approaching his capsule. The UFO was real and solid because it was picked up by Mucheas's tracking radar."

Also: "They were flying quite high. How high we couldn't tell, because we couldn't get anywhere near their altitude."
Also: "They saw something fly over their heads put down three little landing gear and then set down on the dry lake bed."

To the United Nations:
"I believe that these extraterrestrial vehicles and their crews are visiting this planet from other planets, which are a little more technically advanced than we are on Earth."
"I did have occasion in 1951 to have two days of observation of many flights of them (UFOs), of different sizes flying in fighter formation, generally from west to east over Europe. They were at a higher altitude than we could reach with our jets..."
Also: "Well, I'm pretty sure we picked something up at Roswell."

"What about bodies?" "Maybe, yes. But I think there were better ones than Roswell," he said. "We got some lives one."
"Live ones? Live aliens? Of course one hears all the rumors and wild tales. Did Gordon know for sure that there were some live aliens?"
"I knew a guy who brought one in," he said.


Astronaut Gordon Cooper
 
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A disk shaped object is shining beams of light down on John the Baptist and Jesus - Fitzwilliam Musuem, Cambridge, England - Painted in 1710 by Flemish artist Aert De Gelder. It depicts a classic, hovering, silvery, saucer shaped UFO shining beams of light down on John the Baptist and Jesus.

I do not believe at all that this was the case in Jesus Baptism,but it is interesting that the painter back in the 1700's should know of such shapes and there flight, to think this was the cause of power from on high!!
 
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This painting is called "The Madonna with Saint Giovannino". It was painted in the 15th century by Domenico Ghirlandaio (1449-1494) and hangs as part of the Loeser collection in the Palazzo Vecchio. Above Mary's right shoulder is a disk shaped object. Below is a blow up of this section and a man and his dog can clearly be seen looking up at the object.

A blow up of this fresco reveals tremendous details about this UFO including port holes. It seems to indicate a religious involvement between UFO's and the appearance of the Christ Child in the painters mind. Where did he get such idea's from,if they had not been spotted in and before his day for him to know of the shape etc ?



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