I stand by my opinion. It will be interesting to read the statistics of heroin and the recession and how they contributed to the rise in suicides. I'm hoping they're posted soon.
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Where is your proof that it's the recession? How is heroin contributing? You think they felt powerless? Why?
I don't know why you need to keep putting my opinion down while upholding your own, but it's kinda tiresome now.
Perhaps because the meta-analyses on those studies have been performed?Where is your proof that it's the recession? How is heroin contributing? You think they felt powerless? Why?
I don't know why you need to keep putting my opinion down while upholding your own, but it's kinda tiresome now.
So not only did they find depression increased, a significant increase other common mental disorders, anxiety, etc. increased with economic downturns (this is across many countries and studies).It is known that the health of populations is shaped by the socioeconomic context, welfare systems, labour markets, public policies, and demographic characteristics of countries [4]. There are strong reasons to believe that changes in these key determinants may be reflected in the mental wellbeing of populations [11].
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A longitudinal study from Greece showed that mental health and self-rated health were negatively affected by unemployment during the economic recession (2008–2013), especially among unemployed individuals [28]. A similar result was found in Italy, where the inequalities regarding self-reported health between workers and unemployed individuals were amplified after the onset of the recession [29].
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Regarding morbidity rates for common mental disorders, longitudinal data from Iceland presented aggravated stress levels among the population, though only significant for women and especially if unemployed [36].
Greek comparable data from before and after the recession exhibited a statistically significant rise in the prevalence of depression [37, 38]. In Spain, evidence displayed a risk of suffering from depression during a recession that was almost three times higher than before [39]. Similar evidence was also found in Canada and Hong Kong [40, 41]. The same Spanish study also showed an increase in the prevalence of anxiety disorders [39]. Nevertheless, no changes in the prevalence of anxiety were found in the Canadian working population sample [40].
It's interesting that consumption is down, but binge drinking is up. Binge drinking frequency is a precursor to alcoholism (I guess my dissertation work came in handy!). The fact that consumption is down suggests that among those consuming alcohol, they consume higher quantities, which is demonstrated by the increase in alcohol abuse.A cohort study from the USA stated that the overall prevalence of any alcohol use significantly declined during the recession but, conversely, binge-drinking became more frequent [42]. Spanish repeated cross-sectional evidence shows that this recession may have triggered alcohol-related disorders, since a noteworthy rise of 4.6 % in the abuse of alcohol and dependence on it was observed [39]. Furthermore, available data from Argentina also revealed that people may tend to increase their intake of lower-quality alcohol, which is known to pose additional threats to health [43].
See how they saw the association of higher depression among women that have had abortions and started to parse apart the reasons that can contribute to depression?Violence, especially partner violence, makes a significantly greater contribution to women's depression compared with pregnancy termination or births. Any strategy to reduce the burden of women's depression should include prevention or reduction of violence against women and strengthening women's sexual and reproductive health to ensure that pregnancies are planned and wanted.
Claims that women who have elective abortions will experience psychological distress have fueled much of the recent debate on abortion. It has been argued that the emotional sequelae of abortion may not occur until months or years after the event. Despite unclear evidence on such a phenomenon, adverse mental health outcomes of abortion have been used as a rationale for policy-making. We systematically searched for articles focused on the potential association between abortion and long-term mental health outcomes published between January 1, 1989 and August 1, 2008 and reviewed 21 studies that met the inclusion criteria. We rated the study quality based on methodological factors necessary to appropriately explore the research question. Studies were rated as Excellent (no studies), Very Good (4 studies), Fair (8 studies), Poor (8 studies), or Very Poor (1 study). A clear trend emerges from this systematic review: the highest quality studies had findings that were mostly neutral, suggesting few, if any, differences between women who had abortions and their respective comparison groups in terms of mental health sequelae. Conversely, studies with the most flawed methodology found negative mental health sequelae of abortion.
Suicide rate increases happen during and after recessions, there is a lag observed. I don't think the it's wholly economic, I would also point to the lack of spending on mental health: Most U.S. Health Spending Is Exploding — but Not for Mental HealthBut we're not actually in a recession...
Of course. It goes against your charicature.Well this didn't take long:
Link Deleted: There was a thread on this website that just popped up "Why does god hate me".
Honestly, I'm having a hard time believing that you've never heard phrases such as this before..
I'd love to see the comparative analysis that you did using the data and laws from various countries which brought you to the conclusion that this relationship exists.and why wouldn't it? This is a culture that celebrates death via abortion and euthanasia.
I gotta ask, and I'm not being facetious here: what is the point in holding an opinion if it isn't backed up with data or research? I could take a guess but anything I stay may come off as an insult and this is something I really want to try to understandI stand by my opinion. It will be interesting to read the statistics of heroin and the recession and how they contributed to the rise in suicides. I'm hoping they're posted soon.
Are you under the impression that veterans don't exist in society? Are they living in some other realm of existence that puts them outside of the data that is discussed in the article? JustOneWay was very smart to point out the influence of military suicides on the overall rate, since the past decade has obviously seen a sharp increase in the number of Americans who are recovering from active duty.Yet a CTRL-F search of the word "military" in the article comes up with "0". Please let me know if I can inform you any further on the topic linked in the OP.
That hardly matters, though, since veterans are civilians.Fair enough. I'll cede the point that this thread is only assessing civilian suicide rates.
Of course. It goes against your charicature.
Here is a real life example.
My kitchen caught on fire yesterday. No joke. I am no longer living in my home. Our kitchen is totally destroyed and smoke damage has permiated our main floor and water has ruined most of the main floor and all of the basement floor. Happily the fire department managed to save my new puppy. It looks like they will have to go straight down to the studs. It sucks pretty bad. WE won't be back in our home for likely 6 months.
When I put this up on facebook. I got about 90 replies from people. Every person from my church who replied asked how they could help.
This morning my pastor called and wanted to chat and see how we were doing. When I got to the church, all the staff there (about 9) came gave me a hug and we're worried. When they prayed over me, it was for strength, perseverence, the ability to reframe it as an adventure for my little ones, that he would provide wisdom to those helping me, and gratitude for the effectiveness of my insurer thus far.
This is the kind of Christians I have been surrounded by for my entire life. This is my experience. I am not alone with this experience but I won't argue that what you say never gets utterred. There are callous people who have no idea how to comfort others. But there are secular people who do the too. "There, there. There, there. Let's go get wasted". Please. That is not providing comfort.
Christians and nonchristians share the same personality traits and interpersonal skills.
When has Obama said our economy is awesome right now? He certainly is correct to say the economy is better now than it was in 2008 and 2009.You still couldn't post without getting a dig in at my opinion, could you? Sheesh.
Your links connect suicide to the economy to the same way mine linked to abortion.
Obama would have us believe our economy is awesome right now. Unemployment is down. Everyone has health insurance. Or at least is supposed to. So...
I'm not convinced it's the economy, either.
Indeed.Are you under the impression that veterans don't exist in society? Are they living in some other realm of existence that puts them outside of the data that is discussed in the article? JustOneWay was very smart to point out the influence of military suicides on the overall rate, since the past decade has obviously seen a sharp increase in the number of Americans who are recovering from active duty.
That hardly matters, though, since veterans are civilians.
Do you research every single one of your opinions? If you do, you must have a lot of free time.I gotta ask, and I'm not being facetious here: what is the point in holding an opinion if it isn't backed up with data or research? I could take a guess but anything I stay may come off as an insult and this is something I really want to try to understand
I looked at the media culture around me. Some of the posts I've read in general here at CF.I'd love to see the comparative analysis that you did using the data and laws from various countries which brought you to the conclusion that this relationship exists.
Oh, and the longitudinal U.S. analysis.
I don't think the right to bear arms is part of the growing suicide rate.
I'm not really concerned with opinions, so I'll just put forward the facts...I can also see where someone might believe that the fight to retain our rights to own guns could contribute to suicide. I too disagree with that, but respect your opinion on it.
Obviously, but we can talk to the people closest to them and get a good idea why each individual killed themselves.I still can't stress enough that you can't ask the DEAD people so we'll never truly know why the suicudes rate suddenly jumped.
No I don't. BUT, if I want to share it with other people in the context of a DISCUSSION, yes I do.Do you research every single one of your opinions? If you do, you must have a lot of free time.
It doesn't have to be a "professional debate" but I think an INFORMED debate is a good. Clearly, you have no problem keeping your shared opinions uninformed.It was a comment in a thread about suicide, not a professional debate.
Asking for evidence is not trolling in my opinion. You SHOULD be able to support your opinion if you want to share it. IF you don't want to share it, believe any kind of crazy you like.I think I'll just troll every thread now with "what's your evidence for that opinion".
I'm also wondering this. Where does the motivation to hold the opinion come from, if not from evidence? Is there a desire for the opinion in question to be true?I gotta ask, and I'm not being facetious here: what is the point in holding an opinion if it isn't backed up with data or research? I could take a guess but anything I stay may come off as an insult and this is something I really want to try to understand
How does a person form an opinion otherwise? At that point, I would call it a hypothesis, or even just a research question. Opinions should be presented as such, but you've turned yours into assertions. I usually phrase it as "I wonder if..." and I don't get mad when people suggest I might be wrong.Do you research every single one of your opinions? If you do, you must have a lot of free time.
It was a comment in a thread about suicide, not a professional debate.
I think I'll just troll every thread now with "what's your evidence for that opinion".
What are you talking about? The data exists. I'm not asking you to go do a direct study on 1960s suicide attempters.Again, I'm sure you understand the impossibility of interviewing DEAD PEOPLE.