Types of spirituality..

[dlamberth]

My perspective isn't duality either: I am saying matter can only mimic spiritual things, and perceive its function on a rudimentary level, because matter is a shadow of spirit. You can use magic to manipulate matter, and you can use other means to interact with interdimensional entities/gods (these are still not spirits). But, my point is that matter cannot touch spirit - specifically because spirit is not from this universe. The Most High is the generator of spiritual entities, and they do not come from matter (i.e. the universe). The "light" in the abode of the Most High is beyond gamma/cosmic radiation.

Spirit is a completely separate substance of matter that is non-native to this entire universe (and all of its dimensions). This is why carnality cannot touch spirit. I do not mean your soul when I say spirit, and I do not mean the astral projection of your physical manifestation in any dimension or form. If you are "from" this universe and/or all of its dimensions, you are categorically not spirit.

Things that are dead have released their soul - meaning the very substance of their identity has been released to somewhere. Some humans will release their souls to judgment and clothe themselves with spirit (light) as per Providence. The light of spirit is beyond gamma/cosmic radiation detection, because spirit is not from this universe. However, if the requisite for "life" on this plane of existence/universe is to have energy, then everything has "life".

You are describing what I would call "soul sensing" - it is a sense beyond touch/taste/smell/hearing/sight. What people call ESP is using one of the other five senses most people don't realize they have. One of these senses is the ability to detect souls (like ghosts, or humans who are in pain). Natives likely had ample opportunity to exploit their ESP because the food was cleaner, they willingly communed with the land on which they lived and they respected the overall nature surrounding them. When you do these things you naturally enhance your ability to be able to sense other souls, and do other exploits. Even the book of Enoch talks about souls that have been released into four different (interdimensional) columns based on their deeds (1 of light, 3 of darkness). The souls are still "alive"; Abel makes an account against his brother "day and night".

Life is subjective; what we have are facsimiles of real life. But, real life wouldn't be duality; it would be unity.

Hopefully I'm asking this in the right way to be understood. So those Mystics, like the Sufies for instance, when they say that they see God everywhere they look, if they aren't seeing spirit (Soul) in life around them, what are they seeing?

I would not call what I described soul sensing. What I'm pointing towards comes from inner experience. A person could call it "gnossis". Not to be confused with Christian Gnostics. Spiritually, perhaps pointing towards Panenthesim might help. It's where spirit, as you say is beyond gamma/cosmic radiation detection, in the same breath it is all of that at the same time. One might call it Either. Alpha and Omega. Dot and Circle. Yin Yang. Yes not of this world, yet fully engulfed in it. If one believes in a Creator, Creation couldn't happen without the Breath of God, which is spirit in Creation. It just doesn't go away.

Just a different spirituality is all.

 

[Quid est Veritas?]

What'chall think about religious naturalism? I find the premise enticing. I follow a religion but I struggle to relate to comparatively intense religions like Christianity that demand a high degree of conformity and spiritual experience. Religious naturalism is closer to my daily spiritual position with the addition of orthopraxic ritual.

I think it is a bit of a incongruent position. With all due respect, slightly silly. One of my big reasons for being religious, is the fact that I don't consider Naturalism as a very strong position to hold - in spite of its modern catchet. It makes me think of the Abolition of Man of Lewis, how more and more of human activities are being reduced to the Natural, and thus placed in the purview of the Reducers (of that percentage of men that can do so). With evidence of Spirituality existing in a neuro-biological sense, it is necessary to reduce its noumenal aspects to the phenomenological - to render it under Naturalism. It seems a way-station to Abolition of Spirituality in my opinion, rather than a consistent position.

 

[Quid est Veritas?]

The Christian focus is on spirit alöne,

The Jewish focus is on the soul.

Christianity teaches traditionally that man is Spirit, Soul and Body - a tripartite being - to some extent, though never fully fleshed out and Spirit and Soul are often equated to some extent. Likewise, in the older days they had multiple 'souls' such as the Nutritive, the Animal, etc souls, with the Rational Soul being the one humans only possess.

If spiritually enters through physical, it is an absolute miracle and, must have been by Providence. Matter cant "touch" spirit - it cant even perceive it because matter's consort is carnality (implied ignorance of self and surroundings except for urges and base sensory responses). This is why a Redeemer that paved the way for the carnal entity to reach spirituality is such an amazingly big deal.

Arguably, you can induce spiritual interactions through consciousness by experimenting with specific hallucinogenics - in many cultures that is the point of natural hallucinogens. The problem is that we are matter, so we don't have the capacity to sustain spiritual interaction - often leading to a depletion of the mind and eventually the vessel.

To determine whether we are "aware", there needs to be some reference point (backed by truth, not hypothesis) for us to appeal to. Otherwise, we will all come up with our own definitions of awareness. "Carnality" is a constant effort to stay awake because its end goal is death and transformation. That is why you have to work to find truth; it is rarely presented "as is".

You cannot reduce Spirit/Matter to either side really, as matter is required to perceive spirit (and probably the reverse). I think this is similar to the mind/body problem, as both are aspects of the whole, and like we can separate it out theoretically, we can't in practice, so such separation is perhaps not justifiable.

 

[Kaon]

You cannot reduce Spirit/Matter to either side really, as matter is required to perceive spirit (and probably the reverse). I think this is similar to the mind/body problem, as both are aspects of the whole, and like we can separate it out theoretically, we can't in practice, so such separation is perhaps not justifiable.

What most people are calling "spirit" is actually the soul. The soul is essence of uniqueness; you are always "soul". However, spirit is from another realm different from this entire universe/plane of existence - even the most refined and unified matter is still matter.

Matter cannot touch spirit, because matter and spirit are completely separate. Matter is not spirit at all, which is why you have to be born again in order to have a chance to be with the Redeemer and where He is from. The Redeemer, for example, can destroy light as we know it, and matter as we know it; spirit is something completely unique to matter.

Even souls are still matter until they become non-native to this universe (i.e go to the deepest part of the abyss, or go to the light). What we do as matter (that we call "spirituality") is a dress rehearsal for how to behave as an actual spirit. But matter and spirit do not coincide: if you put new wine in an old vessel it will burst. Instead, matter humans interact with the soul of entities - which can mimic spiritual behavior and phenomena.

But, matter life is only a facsimile of real [spiritual] life.

 

[Robban]

I'm wondering what the difference is?

Thought, speech and deeds are the garment of the soul.

We create our angels through thought, speech and deeds.

Advocate angels or prosecuting angels.

Did not Jesus say,
"Do you not think I could call upon a thousand angels to come to my aid?"

Having guardian angels guarding one's soul,

the whole of one's being.

I recite Psalms every morning, have done so for years,

Psalms are about the soul.

A Jew cannot be more Jewish, less Jewish or inbetween Jewish.

It all comes down to the soul.

"The entire people of Israel comprise a singel soul,
it is only bodies that seperate."

Wherever in the world there is a Jew,
there is Israel.

So it is about the soul, Torah is the very soul and will of the Almighty.

Browse around CF forums and see Christians are so very occupied with spirit.

You have to more or less have the spirit or you are a gonner.

Paul had his hands full with the wild and woolly assembly in Corinth.

"Woohoo! we have the spirit".

Yeah, sure, that's why the place became a mayhem.

Pure and impure spirits, which is which.

No, I believe in guardian angels rather.

Recite Psalms, there is nothing better,

 

[Robban]

Though the Guardian of Israel neither slumbers or sleeps, (Ps 121)

here is a message and a prayer,