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More general 'secular' meanings of the word as an assembly. LXX connections to the word usually translated as the congregation in the Old Testament... The word doesn't have implications of a building not of something as institutional as "the church" tends to connote.What are some connotations the word "Church" is lacking?
That quote was made by those who opposed what Tyndale was doing. If you have a look at what they meant by "error" it's any way of expressing something that Thomas More and the Bishop of London didn't like because it didn't reinforce the Catholic perspective. So, for example, translating presbyter as elder instead of priest counted as an "error".
If you can get past the spelling Tyndale's translation is very readable still.
Of course not. Tyndale's bishop didn't want it translated at all, and if it were to be translated wanted it done in such a way as to support the Catholic position. He didn't think Tyndale would do that, and was probably right.
but and yf I tarie longe yt then thou mayst yet have knowledge how thou oughtest to behave thy silfe in the housse of God which is the congregacion of the livinge God the pillar and grounde of trueth.
That quote was made by those who opposed what Tyndale was doing. If you have a look at what they meant by "error" it's any way of expressing something that Thomas More and the Bishop of London didn't like because it didn't reinforce the Catholic perspective. So, for example, translating presbyter as elder instead of priest counted as an "error".
If you can get past the spelling Tyndale's translation is very readable still.
Of course not. Tyndale's bishop didn't want it translated at all, and if it were to be translated wanted it done in such a way as to support the Catholic position. He didn't think Tyndale would do that, and was probably right.
Thanks for the 'rest of the story' as it were.The reality, or course, is that there is no word in English that captures the same range of connotations as Ekklesia in the original.
I think this has been tried but didn't work out so well..... All this proves to me is that the Sacred Scriptures need a guardian and an authentic interpretter. I mean, given the number of translations available to us today, where does it end? Anyone can skew the Word to whatever end they please.
There is no completely neutral ground in translation, but Tyndale is very close to what the Greek means on the whole, especially given that his actual translation came at the end of or a process of trying to work within the church when his patience had run out. The vast majority of Thomas More and the Bishop of London's objections to his translation would be laughed at by any modern translator, including those responsible for the Catholic translations and are meanings of the words openly acknowledged by Catholic scholars from Benedict downwards.http://wesley.nnu.edu/biblical_studies/tyndale/1ti.txt
I can see why the bishop wouldn't want Tyndale translating the Sacred Scriptures. His translation betrays his theological agenda as.
If the church has to manipulate scripture to support itself then .All this proves to me is that the Sacred Scriptures need a guardian and an authentic interpretter. I mean, given the number of translations available to us today, where does it end? Anyone can skew the Word to whatever end they please.
More general 'secular' meanings of the word as an assembly. LXX connections to the word usually translated as the congregation in the Old Testament...
How about Congregation or Assembly. How do the Jews use that word?I disagree. I think the word Church encompasses all those things. You ever read the vast Lumen Gentium on the dimensions of the Church (I know you've read other stuff like Spe Salvi)? Perhaps Catholics have a more dynamic understanding of the word "Church" that more closely resembles ekklesia.
But would you say there is a better English word to use for ekklesia?
ekklesia=outcalled, outpositioned. That is about the only english words that it translates to well I can think of off-hand.
How about Congregation or Assembly.
If that is so, why does CF elect to use "Christian Communities" instead of "Churches"Personally, I think the words lack because they do not have theological connotations the way the word "church" does. Our government, corporations, rock concert fans, unions, etc... congregate and assemble.
Ahhh.....I didn't vote as I don't have a dog in the fight. But I did find "the other side" of the story here: Tyndale's Heresy (This Rock: December 2002) It rounds out the picture
I didn't vote as I don't have a dog in the fight. But I did find "the other side" of the story here: Tyndale's Heresy (This Rock: December 2002) It rounds out the picture
Yeah, I noticed that alsoWasn't that posted earlier in this thread? Maybe I read it on my own, but I thought I got that link here. That is as I noted previously, written on a catholic based website, so its hard not to believe they would have bias against Tyndale.
There is just as much bias on Protestant sites. Like I said, get BOTH sides of the storyWasn't that posted earlier in this thread? Maybe I read it on my own, but I thought I got that link here. That is as I noted previously, written on a catholic based website, so its hard not to believe they would have bias against Tyndale.
Can we please keep this on the topic of Tyndale for now? ThanksThere is just as much bias on Protestant sites. Like I said, get BOTH sides of the storyIt offers enough information that one could look up the edicts if they so chose to for verification.
I also did not read every page of this thread. Sorry, but I did not come in at the beginning and don't have that kind of time.
That is as I noted previously, written on a catholic based website, so its hard not to believe they would have bias against Tyndale.
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