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I know this question wasn't addressed to me but my answer would be no. Otherwise all the sacraments we have at the catholic church along with the sacred traditions would be meaningless. The fullness of faith is what someone called it earlier.
Of course not.So Baptism is all it takes?
Oh, lots of folks think that is their job. I've been told I'm going to hell so many times by 'friendly' Protestants out to save me from Catholicism.Only God condemns people to hell.
Actually I think that's a legitimate questionI totally agree with you. If anyone can be saved outside the catholic church as long as they believe in Jesus, then what is the point of being catholic?
To be honest, I see more Catholics say that Protestants dont need to be Catholic to go to heaven. It's just not that simple.What I objected to in this thread was saying that Protestants , just because they didn't become Catholics, were condemned to hell. It's just not that simple
Agreed. We should all be seeking the truth and that seeking should land us in the Catholic Church. It's where the full truth is.But almost all Protestant groups have a valid baptism, and that is a real thing. If someone lives out their baptism, even with an ignorance of the Catholic Church being the place where the fullness of the faith resides, does God who lives in them as a result of their valid baptism condemn them to hell? What DOES the Catholic Church say?To be honest, I see more Catholics say that Protestants dont need to be Catholic to go to heaven. It's just not that simple.
The Catholic Church says that for those who have reached the age of reason, reception of the Eucharist is required for salvation. The Catholic Church says that the sacrament of penance is required for those who fall into serious sin.What DOES the Catholic Church say
and if the Church taught OSAS, Baptism alone would be enough.I should also add that baptism is Catholic, and in being baptized a Protestant is baptized into the Catholic Church. So it isn't a Protestant baptism they receive but the one baptism of Christ and a sacrament of the Church.
I'm skeptical about my baptism because I was immersed in a tub (lol) by a "friend" but the person administering it does not believe that Catholics are true believers. This baptism was back in 2007.** If you get baptized by someone who doesn't believe Catholics are Christians, I'm not sure it's valid. I'm not the arbiter of this of course.I should also add that baptism is Catholic, and in being baptized a Protestant is baptized into the Catholic Church. So it isn't a Protestant baptism they receive but the one baptism of Christ and a sacrament of the Church.
So those Japanese Catholics who carried on the faith for generations after the priests were expelled or killed by the Shoguns were just toast? For generations there was no Eucharist in Japan but these Catholics baptized and catechized their children with no Eucharist.The Catholic Church says that for those who have reached the age of reason, reception of the Eucharist is required for salvation.
So those who have no way to get to confession after falling into serious sin, no hope at all for them either?The Catholic Church says that the sacrament of penance is required for those who fall into serious sin.
Happily the Church never taught OSAS. Remarkably many Protestants think we teach that all Catholics go to heaven and no Protestants do. In this thread nobody has said yet that all Catholics go to heaven. Just that Protestants don't.and if the Church taught OSAS, Baptism alone would be enough.
Was the person serious about baptizing you? Was the water plain natural water? Did this person baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit? If so it sounds like a valid baptism.I'm skeptical about my baptism because I was immersed in a tub (lol) by a "friend" but the person administering it does not believe that Catholics are true believers. This baptism was back in 2007.** If you get baptized by someone who doesn't believe Catholics are Christians, I'm not sure it's valid. I'm not the arbiter of this of course.
**(I don't believe I started getting interested in the Catholic faith until 2008. When I did get baptized, I was convinced in my heart that it was necessary for salvation, but the person baptizing me viewed it as a symbol only).
Oh, lots of folks think that is their job. I've been told I'm going to hell so many times by 'friendly' Protestants out to save me from Catholicism.
What I objected to in this thread was saying that Protestants , just because they didn't become Catholics, were condemned to hell. It's just not that simple. Everyone can become and should become Catholic.
Take it up with the Church and John 6, not me.So those Japanese Catholics who carried on the faith for generations after the priests were expelled or killed by the Shoguns were just toast? For generations there was no Eucharist in Japan but these Catholics baptized and catechized their children with no Eucharist.
sort of makes you careful not to fall into serious sin. Again, take it up with the Church, not me.So those who have no way to get to confession after falling into serious sin, no hope at all for them either?
The job is up to God, but I wonder if not that many will be saved, be they Protestants or Catholics. Catholics don't go to confession much any more, but I think we still sin. Some Protestants believe in OSAS, and they might be surprised at judgement. What I objected to was the conclusion that any Protestant who does not become Catholic is going to hell. That's just not Catholic teaching. That's just not Catechism nor Ut Unum Sint nor Dominus Iesus.I might have given some fuel to the fire when I opined that I feel many evangelicals are not saved. Interacting with them here and other places I still maintain that opinion when I see their rampant heresy though I know it is not for me to say who is and who is not saved, that job is up to God.
I will write off those generations of Japanese Catholics then, who had no access at all to the Eucharist on your say so. But ponder yourself just a bit their fate. They were baptized and catechized as Catholics yet there were no priests, so they go to hell.Take it up with the Church and John 6, not me.
sort of makes you careful not to fall into serious sin. Again, take it up with the Church, not me.
These are Her teachings, not mine. You asked the question, I gave you the answers. If you choose not to believe becasue they make you uncomfortable, sorry.
If you can offer me anything else besides pondering and feelings I would be happy to consider itI will write off those generations of Japanese Catholics then, who had no access at all to the Eucharist on your say so. But ponder yourself just a bit their fate. They were baptized and catechized as Catholics yet there were no priests, so they go to hell.
Was the person serious about baptizing you?
Yes
Was the water plain natural water?
Yes
Did this person baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit?
Yes
If so it sounds like a valid baptism.
So far, so good yes, lol.
Immersion is OK. A tub is odd but OK. What the person doing the baptism thinks about Catholics is immaterial. If the person intended to do what Christians do when they baptize it was probably OK.
I agree, that is how it happened.
If it was Mormon or Jehovah's Witnesses those would not be valid, nor from the Oneness Pentecostals, nor for fruity baptisms in the name of the creator and sustainer and redeemer.
I agree. She was from a nondenominational Church, and judging by the doctrine it seems like it is of Baptist theology for the most part.
Was the person who baptized you a recognized ordained minister?
No
Did he record the baptism in an official record of some kind of church. Did they provide you with a baptismal certificate?
Unfortunately, no to both.
I ask these things because the Catholic Church likes to have official records of these things. If it was all kind of 'informal' and there is no way to validate what actually happen, they might ask you for a 'conditional baptism' just in case. Talk to your priest about it. I'm not the arbiter either.
Sorry. A 'conditional baptism'. Going through the motions of a baptism with the understanding that it would only be effective if any previous attempts at baptism had been invalid. If a previous baptism were valid, this would be just getting wet and no re-baptism. They do this in cases where someone thinks maybe they were baptized but the evidence is sketchy.The conditional thing??
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