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Two Men; One Gospel

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Terral

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Hi Jeff with YSM mentioned:



yes, i saw this also, earlier in the day, yet it was yeshua who had posted last. Hmmm

Hopefully it will be Terrals last post...

I was the last member to post on this thread, but we have a bug in the system that assigned my message "Post #13" for some unknown reason. Yes sir. I am finished explaining the "Two Gospels" and "Two Churches" of the New Testament, as neither YSM or Jeff has any clue as to what the heck I am even talking about. :0)

In Christ Jesus,

Terral
 
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heck: euphemism for "hell".
euphemism: a word used to state a word which is considered less offensive than the word it is replacing.

There are not two Gospels in the Word of God, as this thread has shown, by using the Word of God to refute MAD doctrines, which doctrines claim a bogus second gospel that replaces the One Faith, which One Faith is the Everlasting Gospel of the Everlasting Covenant promised for all nations', tribes and tongues -from the beginning.

The Atonement was promised and planned and prepared from the beginning, for the first man, Adam, by the coming of the second Man, Israel, who, Himself, is not the seed of Adam but who is YHWH, in the second Person, come in flesh of the second Man creation, which creation is fully human being flesh, and so "the second Man".

He is come as only created brother to Adam kind, to be the Kinsman to Redeem the lost seed, and the lost inheritance of them, back, for the Glory, and to regenerate the creation and restore all things and return them back, to the Father, for His Glory to fill, when heaven and earth are united in His New Man name.
I just posted the above, in reply to Terral's post above, but instead of posting as the last post today, it went back to the last page and added itself above former posts-????
Hope these bugs are fixed soon!
 
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Yes sir. I am finished explaining the "Two Gospels" and "Two Churches" of the New Testament, as neither YSM or Jeff has any clue as to what the heck I am even talking about. :0)

In Christ Jesus,

Terral
22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels,

23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect,

24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.

Actually I am very well versed on what you are talking about, it is just that what you are talking about is false doctrine, which is not found in the Scripture, but is an imagination of MAD doctrine.
MAD doctrine is just a rehash of the "same ole, same ole...", but with a new twist: "God is through with what He first started and has started a new work, and only the initiated are in on it and can be a part of it". -Only in your MAD doctrine twist, you claim that God has just paused His first Church, to make a second Church, and will go back to that first way after he wraps up the new thing he started -Not!.

Your founders somehow discovered this second 'Church" with a different founding and a different gospel and a different inheritance than the so called first, millenniums after the One Church, the NT Church, was going along as God ordained, doing what He told it to do, in every century, "until He come".
The One NT Church has a Head, a High Priest, seated in heaven and glorified, as son of Man, representing all His own adopted sons who are joined to His Living Spirit by second birth.
Hebrews 12:
12 Therefore strengthen the hands which hang down, and the feeble knees, 13 and make straight paths for your feet, so that what is lame may not be dislocated, but rather be healed.
14 Pursue peace with all people, and holiness, without which no one will see the Lord: 15 looking carefully lest anyone fall short of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up cause trouble, and by this many become defiled; 16 lest there be any fornicator or profane person like Esau, who for one morsel of food sold his birthright. 17 For you know that afterward, when he wanted to inherit the blessing, he was rejected, for he found no place for repentance, though he sought it diligently with tears.
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18 For you have not come to the mountain that may be touched and that burned with fire, and to blackness and darkness and tempest, 19 and the sound of a trumpet and the voice of words, so that those who heard it20 (For they could not endure what was commanded: "And if so much as a beast touches the mountain, it shall be stoned or shot with an arrow." 21 And so terrifying was the sight that Moses said, "I am exceedingly afraid and trembling." ) begged that the word should not be spoken to them anymore.
22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels,

23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect,

24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.
 
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Dispy said:
The word GOSPEL simply means "good news." When one studies the Bible, one will find many instances of "good news." Genesis 3:15 was good news (gospel) to Adam and Eve. The ark was good news (gospel) to Noah. Genesis 12:1-3 was good news (gospel) to Abram. Genesis 22:17-18 was good news (gospel) to Abraham. Exodus 19:4:8 was good news (gospel) to the children of Israel. These are just a very few of many good news' mentioned in the Bible.

There are two primary doctrines taught in the Bible that are commonly called "gospels." We have "the gospel (doctrine) of circumcision (Law)," to the nation of Israel), and and "the gospel (doctrine) of uncircumcision" (Grace), to the Body of Christ (Gal. 2:7).

It is when the two doctrines (gospels) are taught, and mixed together, as one and the same gospel that confusion sets in. That is the reason there are so many denominations in protestant churches today. Each denomination has their own formula (receipe) as how to mix those doctrines (gospels). Each denomination teaches their congregations according to their formula (reciepe) in stead of what the Bible says in its proper context. It is what I call "a scrambled egg doctrine," and each denominations serves their members an "omlet" according to their doctrinal receipe.

An egg, once scrambled, cannot not be unscrambled. However, Paul's Epistles can unscramble a scrambled egg doctrine.

As a mid-Acts dispensationalist (MAD) I am criticized for quoting articles my authors that express my views. I do that because they do a better job of expressing my views then I can. Unless stated, I will defend those articles as if I had written them.

On the other hand, many on this board write what is taught by "the doctrines of men" that their church teaches. The majority of the time they are taking scripture out of its proper context. IMHO, they are the pot that calls the kettle black.



The gospel came to the Jew first...the circumcised.
That Gospel wasnt relient on one being circumcised, but was for all....and you shall preach this Gospel to all in Jerusalem and Judea, and then take it to the Gentiles .

Jesus is lord of all and the good news is that he saves you...He chose his witnesses as foundation stones to the bride---see the new Jerusalem.

Pauls name is not inscribed in the foundation stones of the New Jerusalem in Revelation.
But he sure did build on that foundation.

Yes, the gopel went to the Jew first, and it was through Israel that the families (nations) of the earth were to be blessed (Gen. 12:1-3). Israel was to become "that nation of priest" through all the world would be saved: "for salvation is of the Jews" (John 4:22).

Did Israel ever become "that nation of priests?" Is the entire world being blessed today because of the Jews, OR in spite of their rejection of their King and His kingdom?

Is salvation being offered today by doing the deeds/works of the LAW by FAITH, OR are being salvation based upon the doctrine of GRACE, i.e. based on FAITH ALONE in the Cross work (death, burial, and resurrection) Christ.

Being Israel, as a nation, rejected the Trinity, God gave Israel temporary slumbering (set aside)(Rom. 11:7-12), just as He set aside the Gentiles back at the Tower of Babel in Gen. 11. Then, God made (a new creation) the "one new man" (the body of Christ)( of Eph. 2:15.

The doctrine (gospel) of LAW ='s Do as the Law requires, or pay the penalty. The doctrine (gospel) of GRACE ='s Unmeritted favor.

These are two opposing doctrines (gospels).
 
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