Two Men; One Gospel

[yeshuasavedme]

Mid Acts Dispensationalists -MAD- try to tell any who will wade through their quotes of Scripture [which they use out of the context the Holy Spirit gave them in, and which they use, mainly, only in many partial pastes, thereby disassociating the passages from their biblical doctrinal teachings and instead associating them with massive amounts of the opinions spouted by their own MAD authors' books,] that there are two separate Gospels in the Word of God, but there are not. Rather, what MAD believers miss is the fact that in the Word of God we learn that there are two human beings created by the Creator: Adam and Israel

In Adam, the first man, all the seed are born dead, dying, and shall die, because of the fall of the firstborn, who was made a human son of God in the image of YHWH's own "one" image [that one image seen of YHWH by all creation is God the Word] Genesis 1:26-28; Romans 5:14; Luke 3:38; Malachi 2:15; Genesis 5:2 [in the Hebrew].

The fall of the firstborn/chief/head, created in Adam, is the reason all born in Adam are not sons of God. Adam was created as a son of God [Luke 3:38], in fellowship and communion with His Creator, with a dominion to rule and a purpose for "being" [a house not made with hands, for the Glory of the unseen YHWH to indwell] Haggai 2, Malachi 2:15.
Because of the fall of "Adam, son of God", the fellowship was broken, Adam was cut off from the heavenlies' access, lost the dominion of the kingdom he had been made to rule over, and was cut off from the Glory indwelling.
Adam became vain in his being immediately [no purpose] and shamed at the loss of the Glory of the unseen YHWH [for which reason we wear clothes, to hide the shame of our vanity].

Enter the reason for the second Man, who is Christ/Messiah, the Living Spirit from heaven, come down to incarnate in the second creation Man flesh, which second creation human being is called Israel, by the Father. -Isaiah 49 says so.

YHWH Himself donned the garments of human being flesh of the second creation as Isaiah 59 says, to be the Redeemer/Kinsman to his human being brother Adam, to do the duty of Kinsman and to redeem all the lost seed born dead in Adam and to ransom the lost kingdom, and to restore it -and the heavens- and to unite them back with each other and back, for the Glory, with the Father.

The message is lost to MAD, but all who are born again in Christ are made new men in the Living Spirit by being born again from above by that Spirit of adoption and we then have the hope of glory in the time of the resurrection and the transforming of the bodies' elements into the image of the second Man, our "Everlasting Father" and the elect Son of Man who is now the God of all the earth by His ransoming blood of Atonement [as taught in the living oracles about that blood of Atonement].

That is the only hope any seed born in Adam can have, to have life eternal as adopted sons in the second Man. There have never been two gospels, but one only "Gospel" of the good news in Christ Jesus' coming in flesh of the second creation to be the Kinsman/Redeemer to Adam and Adam's lost kingdom and to "crush the head of the serpent" and to restore all creation.

 

[jeffweeder]

The first man Adam was a living soul, by the quickiening of Gods breathe.
The second Adam ( Lord Jesus Messiah) a life giving Spirit, of the seed of God.

The Gospel of The second Adam can never change, or change direction, it will remain as the power of God to salvation. He is the way ,the truth, and the life.

We can try to teach people that good news, about Jesus being the Christ, the one Gospel truth about how he saves us.
Paul was made a minister of this Gospel, and he makes it clear that he is preaching no other Gospel, but the Gospel the prophets and Moses and Psalms foretold.

This is the same Gospel that Jesus opened the minds of the disciples to in luke 24....that he would suffer and die, and rise the third day.

Even before his death, Jesus was saying that the word i have spoken to you hath made you clean...and your sins are forgiven...........Thats the good news, always was and always will be. His death and ressurection broke sins power forever as Jesus took the judgement of sin for all who believe.

ACTS 20
"You yourselves know, from the first day that I set foot in Asia, how I was with you the whole time,
19 serving the Lord with all humility and with tears and with trials which came upon me through the plots of the Jews;
20 how I did not shrink from declaring to you anything that was profitable, and teaching you publicly and from house to house,
21 solemnly testifying to both Jews and Greeks of repentance toward God and faith in our Lord Jesus Christ.
22 "And now, behold, bound by the Spirit, I am on my way to Jerusalem, not knowing what will happen to me there,
23 except that the Holy Spirit solemnly testifies to me in every city, saying that bonds and afflictions await me.
24 "But I do not consider my life of any account as dear to myself, so that I may finish my course and the ministry which I received from the Lord Jesus, to testify solemnly of the gospel of the grace of God.
25 "And now, behold, I know that all of you, among whom I went about preaching the kingdom, will no longer see my face.

ACTS 26

"So, having obtained help from God, I stand to this day testifying both to small and great, stating nothing but what the Prophets and Moses said was going to take place;
23 that the Christ was to suffer, and that by reason of His resurrection from the dead He would be the first to proclaim light both to the Jewish people and to the Gentiles."
24 While Paul was saying this in his defense, Festus said in a loud voice, "Paul, you are out of your mind! Your great learning is driving you mad."
25 But Paul said, "I am not out of my mind, most excellent Festus, but I utter words of sober truth.
26 "For the king knows about these matters, and I speak to him also with confidence, since I am persuaded that none of these things escape his notice; for this has not been done in a corner.
27 "King Agrippa, do you believe the Prophets? I know that you do."
28 Agrippa replied to Paul, "In a short time you will persuade me to become a Christian."
29 And Paul said, "I would wish to God, that whether in a short or long time, not only you, but also all who hear me this day, might become such as I am, except for these chains."

 

[Dispy]

Mid Acts Dispensationalists -MAD- try to tell any who will wade through their quotes of Scripture [which they use out of the context the Holy Spirit gave them in, and which they use, mainly, only in many partial pastes, thereby disassociating the passages from their biblical doctrinal teachings and instead associating them with massive amounts of the opinions spouted by their own MAD authors' books,] that there are two separate Gospels in the Word of God, but there are not. Rather, what MAD believers miss is the fact that in the Word of God we learn that there are two human beings created by the Creator: Adam and Israel

The word GOSPEL simply means "good news." When one studies the Bible, one will find many instances of "good news." Genesis 3:15 was good news (gospel) to Adam and Eve. The ark was good news (gospel) to Noah. Genesis 12:1-3 was good news (gospel) to Abram. Genesis 22:17-18 was good news (gospel) to Abraham. Exodus 19:4:8 was good news (gospel) to the children of Israel. These are just a very few of many good news' mentioned in the Bible.

There are two primary doctrines taught in the Bible that are commonly called "gospels." We have "the gospel (doctrine) of circumcision (Law)," to the nation of Israel), and and "the gospel (doctrine) of uncircumcision" (Grace), to the Body of Christ (Gal. 2:7).

It is when the two doctrines (gospels) are taught, and mixed together, as one and the same gospel that confusion sets in. That is the reason there are so many denominations in protestant churches today. Each denomination has their own formula (receipe) as how to mix those doctrines (gospels). Each denomination teaches their congregations according to their formula (reciepe) in stead of what the Bible says in its proper context. It is what I call "a scrambled egg doctrine," and each denominations serves their members an "omlet" according to their doctrinal receipe.

An egg, once scrambled, cannot not be unscrambled. However, Paul's Epistles can unscramble a scrambled egg doctrine.

As a mid-Acts dispensationalist (MAD) I am criticized for quoting articles my authors that express my views. I do that because they do a better job of expressing my views then I can. Unless stated, I will defend those articles as if I had written them.

On the other hand, many on this board write what is taught by "the doctrines of men" that their church teaches. The majority of the time they are taking scripture out of its proper context. IMHO, they are the pot that calls the kettle black.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Originally Posted by jeffweeder
The first man Adam was a living soul, by the quickiening of Gods breathe.
The second Adam ( Lord Jesus Messiah) a life giving Spirit, of the seed of God.

The Gospel of The second Adam can never change, or change direction, it will remain as the power of God to salvation. He is the way ,the truth, and the life.

We can try to teach people that good news, about Jesus being the Christ, the one Gospel truth about how he saves us.
Paul was made a minister of this Gospel, and he makes it clear that he is preaching no other Gospel, but the Gospel the prophets and Moses and Psalms foretold.

This is the same Gospel that Jesus opened the minds of the disciples to in luke 24....that he would suffer and die, and rise the third day.

Even before his death, Jesus was saying that the word i have spoken to you hath made you clean...and your sins are forgiven...........Thats the good news, always was and always will be. His death and ressurection broke sins power forever as Jesus took the judgement of sin for all who believe.



ACTS 26

Yes! Jeffweeder.

One "Everlasting Gospel of Salvation" for whosoever will [of Adam's lost seed] fulfilled in the "Only begotten Son" of God's once for all blood Atonement, offered as the True Lamb of God who was indeed "Slain from the foundation of the world".

To enter into the only Way/Door/Gate of eternal life by His Salvation is to bow before Him and receive the sprinkling of the soul cleansing blood offered upon His own New Man body, once, at His death, when that perfect Lamb of God, the second creation human being Man, served as the true and final Mercy Seat and made an end of the remembrance of sin for the entire race of Adam by His Blood Atonement.

That was "the Acceptable year of YHWH" which ended forever the first death for whosoever will, of Adam's race: to the Jew first, and to the Gentiles last.
Today is the Day of Salvation in which all people are being called to come into the marraige supper of the Lamb, which is the "feast prepared on the Mountain" for all nations to come taste of. Tasting of His feast is to be born again and by that second birth of Spirit, we who are born again become the "espoused bride" of the New Man, which was typed and shadowed in the namesake people's being given His name and His living oracles of His Person and work to redeem as Kinsman the entire race of Adam and to adopt them into His second/New creation Man name.

 

[jeffweeder]

There are two primary doctrines taught in the Bible that are commonly called "gospels." We have "the gospel (doctrine) of circumcision (Law)," to the nation of Israel), and and "the gospel (doctrine) of uncircumcision" (Grace), to the Body of Christ (Gal. 2:7).

The gospel came to the Jew first...the circumcised.
That Gospel wasnt relient on one being circumcised, but was for all....and you shall preach this Gospel to all in Jerusalem and Judea, and then take it to the Gentiles .

Jesus is lord of all and the good news is that he saves you...He chose his witnesses as foundation stones to the bride---see the new Jerusalem.

Pauls name is not inscribed in the foundation stones of the New Jerusalem in Revelation.
But he sure did build on that foundation.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

The gospel came to the Jew first...the circumcised.
That Gospel wasnt relient on one being circumcised, but was for all....and you shall preach this Gospel to all in Jerusalem and Judea, and then take it to the Gentiles .

Jesus is lord of all and the good news is that he saves you...He chose his witnesses as foundation stones to the bride---see the new Jerusalem.

Pauls name is not inscribed in the foundation stones of the New Jerusalem in Revelation.
But he sure did build on that foundation.

True Jeffweeder,
As I noted many times before when writing in refutation to the false teaching of MAD doctrine:

Jhn 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, [but] grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
Luk 16:16 The law and the prophets [were] until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

No one who died physically entered heaven until Jesus Christ fulfilled the Day of Atonement, and when He rose from the dead, He emptied Sheol below of the righteous souls who waited there for the promised release and no one enters hell below when they die physically, since His resurrection and ascenmsion, who is made righteous by faith in His name. He also took all the redeemed souls from hell below when He rose from there and ascended to the Father, and there they dwell, in Zion above, as those 'spirits of just men made perfect", waiting for the day when they receive their resurrected bodies of adoption, together with all the saints of tthis creation's first harvest's ingathering of souls, which is typed in Pentecost. MAD misses the doctrine taught in the Living Oracles about the harvests of this creation and the garments of Salvation to be put on, by which the redeemed are gathered to the Father, for His Glory to indwell them.

In Hebrews 12, the author, under the inspiritation of the Holy Spirit, describes the born again in Christ believer as having come to the heavenly Mount Zion and being joined to -members of- that City of God by faith, which city all the innocent souls who die before accountability and all the justified by faith souls who are born in Christ go to, since Jesus ascended and led captivity captive, where all wait for their born again bodies made in the image of the second Man.

Hebrews 12:
The Glorious Company
18 For you have not come to the mountain that may be touched and that burned with fire, and to blackness and darkness and tempest, 19 and the sound of a trumpet and the voice of words, so that those who heard it begged that the word should not be spoken to them anymore. 20 (For they could not endure what was commanded: "And if so much as a beast touches the mountain, it shall be stoned or shot with an arrow." 21 And so terrifying was the sight that Moses said, "I am exceedingly afraid and trembling." )
22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, 23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

In the Don Francisco song "Adam where are you" the Everlasting Gospel is preached: the Creator is always calling/seeking the lost souls, who are the seed of and named with the name of the "first man", Adam.

You can hear hear Don francisco sing it powerfully on you tube @ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZM1mmcis-s



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When I copied the link I did not know it would place the embeded video on this page. After it is done playing, there are pictures at the bottom of more to choose from, and they are not all put on by Christians and there are some objectionable ones that will be seen if one scrolls through, and I apologize as I have no control over that, but if you do not scroll through the listing you will not see the pics -Thanks.

Adam, Where Are You
[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular][SIZE=-2]by Don Francisco[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular][SIZE=-1]Unashamed and naked in a garden that has never seen the rain,
[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular][SIZE=-1]Rulers of a kingdom, full of joy -- never marred by any pain,
[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular][SIZE=-1]The morning all around them seems to celebrate the life they've just begun;
[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular][SIZE=-1]And in the majesty of innocence the king and queen come walking in the sun

[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular][SIZE=-1]But the master of deception now begins with his discection of the Word
[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular][SIZE=-1]And with all of his craft and subtly the serpent twists the simple truths they've heard,
[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular][SIZE=-1]While hanging in the balance is a world that has been placed at their command
[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular][SIZE=-1]And all their unborn children die as both of them bow down to Satan's hand.

[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular][SIZE=-1]And just before the ev'ning in the cool of the day, They hear the voice of God as He is walking
[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular][SIZE=-1]And they can't abide His presence, so they try to hide away;
[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular][SIZE=-1]But still they hear the sound as He is calling:

[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular][SIZE=-1]"Adam, Adam, where are you?
[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular][SIZE=-1]Adam, Adam, where are you?
[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular][SIZE=-1]Adam, Adam, where are you?"

[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular][SIZE=-1]In the stifling heat of summer now the gard'ner and his wife are in the field
[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular][SIZE=-1]And it seems that thorns and thistles are the only crop his stuggles ever yield
[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular][SIZE=-1]He eats his meals in sorrow 'til he sinks in to the dust whence he came
[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular][SIZE=-1]But all down through the ages he can hear his Maker calling out his name.

[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular][SIZE=-1]"Adam, Adam, where are you?
[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular][SIZE=-1]Adam, Adam, where are you?"

[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular][SIZE=-1]And though the curse has long be broken
[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular][SIZE=-1]Adams' sons are still the prisners of their fears
[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular][SIZE=-1]Rushing helter skelter to destrution with their fingers in their ears
[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular][SIZE=-1]While the Fathers voice is calling with an urgency I've never heard before
[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular][SIZE=-1]"Won't you come in from the darkness now before it's time to finally close the door!"

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[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular][SIZE=-1]Adam, Adam, where are you?
[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular][SIZE=-1]Adam, Adam, I love you!"[/SIZE][/FONT]

 

[Notrash]

I like to emphasize the everlasting Gospel of the Creator. It is only when humans realize that they are morally obligated to a loving and blissful "Creator" whose image we still bear though in tarnishment that we become aware of our shortcomings that have judged us unto death in this world.

It is then that the search for the Creator/savior who provides the atoning death onto whom we believe unto eternal life and a restored fellowship with the father that we can be born again and begin to walk in newness of spirit life.

Sometimes, some of the various tracts seem to leave out this aspect, but I suppose it is assumed that those brought to the tract already have a seeking heart.

 

[Terral]

Hi again YSM:

YSM cannot write two ‘rightly divided’ paragraphs of commentary describing the “Gospel of the Kingdom” (Matt. 4:23, 9:35), or Paul’s “Gospel of the Grace of God” (Acts 20:24), so he goes on and on and on about his false “Two Men” gospel that God never sent to anyone at all. We have been through all of this on his “One Everlasting Gospel Of Salvation From The Beginning: Not Two Gospels” thread here, which everyone is encouraged to read in drawing informed conclusions on these related “Two Gospels” and “Two Churches” Topics. Most professing Christians blinded by their homegrown forms of “Denominationalism” mix the doctrinal components of the “Two Gospels” together into one false gospel that DOES NOT SAVE, but YSM is a prime example of someone running back into the Old Testament to invent his own version with no basis in Scriptural reality at all. YSM is here to berate “Dispys,” rather than lay out the doctrinal precepts teaching his imaginary “gospel” that should explain how sins are forgiven and how believers receive the Holy Spirit.

Mid Acts Dispensationalists -MAD- try to tell any who will wade through their quotes of Scripture [which they use out of the context the Holy Spirit gave them in, and which they use, mainly, only in many partial pastes, thereby disassociating the passages from their biblical doctrinal teachings and instead associating them with massive amounts of the opinions spouted by their own MAD authors' books,] that there are two separate Gospels in the Word of God, but there are not. Rather, what MAD believers miss is the fact that in the Word of God we learn that there are two human beings created by the Creator: Adam and Israel.

See what I mean? :0) Whether you want to reread YSM’s “One Everlasting Gospel . . .” Opening Post, or the OP of this thread, in both cases you will NOT see a reference to Paul’s “Word of the Cross” (1Cor. 1:18 = Gospel #2) gospel message OR the “Gospel of the Kingdom” (Gospel #1) preached by Jesus Christ Himself LONG before He shed one drop of blood for anyone. In fact, watch YSM squirm endlessly in his seat refusing to acknowledge that the “Gospel of the Kingdom” even exists at all! :0) Just how many times is “Adam” mentioned in all the Four Gospel accounts combined? Does YSM have any clues? I think NOT, because Adam is only mentioned one time (Luke 3:38) in Luke’s genealogy information having NOTHING whatsoever to do with the “Gospel of the Kingdom” at all. YSM’s Opening Post does not even include the terms “sin, forgiveness, confession,” or any word connected to “justification” or “redemption” or even “salvation.” There is no mention of sins being forgiven through ‘water’ or ‘baptism’ (Mark 1:4-5) or Christ’s shed “blood” (Eph. 1:7). In fact, nobody writing on this thread has bothered to even mention the term “faith” with “grace” mentioned only sparingly (Jeff’s Post #2 quote from Acts 20, Dispy’s Post #3 “the gospel of uncircumcision” and YSM’s Post #6 quote from John 1:17). Nobody here has bothered to mention the “Gospel of the Kingdom” that Christ Himself preached as the “Gospel of God” way back in Mark 1 BEFORE God ever sent Him to Calvary to die for anyone. Scripture says,

“Now after John had been taken into custody, Jesus came into Galilee [Matt. 4:17-23], preaching the Gospel of God, and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand [Matt. 3:2, 4:17, 10:5-7]; repent and believe in The Gospel." Mark 1:14-15.

What we need from these professing “gospel topic” experts is their ‘rightly divided’ (2Tim. 2:15) commentary on what Jesus Christ is ‘preaching’ right here in Mark 1, according to ‘the truth’ of God’s Living Word. Scripture itself tells us exactly what Christ preached right here in Galilee as the “GOSPEL OF GOD,” saying,

“From that time Jesus began to preach and say, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Now as Jesus was walking by the Sea of Galilee, He saw two brothers, Simon who was called Peter, and Andrew his brother, casting a net into the sea; for they were fishermen. And He said to them, "Follow Me, and I will make you fishers of men." Immediately they left their nets and followed Him. Going on from there He saw two other brothers, James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother, in the boat with Zebedee their father, mending their nets; and He called them. Immediately they left the boat and their father, and followed Him. Jesus was going throughout all Galilee [Mark 1:14-15 above], teaching in their synagogues and proclaiming the Gospel of the Kingdom, and healing every kind of disease and every kind of sickness among the people.” Matthew 4:17-23.

We know the elementary ‘doctrinal precepts’ teaching this “Gospel of the Kingdom,” because God just explained that through His Word in Mark 1:4-5 in the ministry of John the Baptist bringing Israel the “Knowledge of Salvation” by the “Forgiveness of their sins,” saying,

“John the Baptist appeared in the wilderness preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins. And all the country of Judea was going out to him, and all the people of Jerusalem; and they were being baptized by him (see Luke 7:29-30) in the Jordan River, confessing their sins.” Mark 1:4-5.

The “Gospel of the Kingdom” includes the WORKS of repentance, confession of sins and water baptism (John's Baptism) for the forgiveness of sins (Acts 8:12, 19:1-4), BEFORE the Kingdom Disciples could receive the “baptism of the Son” (name of the Lord Jesus = Acts 8:16, 19:5) and THEN qualify to receive the Baptism of the Holy Spirit (Matt. 28:19) by the laying of hands (Acts 8:17, 19:6). Kingdom Disciples obtain eternal life by “keeping the commandments” (Matt 19:16-17), because every member of Israel ‘and’ Peter’s Prophetic Kingdom Bride (Church #1) remains very much under Mosaic Law (Matt 5:17-19, James 2:10) until heaven and earth pass away. Nobody in the Four Gospels even knows about Paul’s “Word of the Cross” (1Cor. 1:18) gospel message, because all of that remained “Hidden IN GOD” (Eph. 3:9) part of God’s Hidden Wisdom (1Cor. 2:6-8), until revealed AFTER God had already raised Christ from the dead (Gal. 1:11-12). “Our Gospel” (2Thes. 2:13-14 = Gospel #2) is VEILED to those who are perishing (2Cor. 4:3-4) and MANY simply do NOT know the difference, but they insist on giving lip service to their “One Gospel MYTH” in order to drag you into the ditch right beside them.

In Adam, the first man, all the seed are born dead, dying, and shall die, because of the fall of the firstborn, who was made a human son of God in the image of YHWH's own "one" image [that one image seen of YHWH by all creation is God the Word] Genesis 1:26-28; Romans 5:14; Luke 3:38; Malachi 2:15; Genesis 5:2 [in the Hebrew].

There is no room in YSM’s broken theology for one word about the “Gospel of the Kingdom” or Paul’s “Word of the Cross” gospel messages, because he is far to busy running back to Genesis 1 and Malachi 2 to ramble aimlessly about something else. Go ahead and try to get YSM to explain how Israel of the flesh (Matt. 15:24) was supposed to accept Jesus Christ as the “Lord of Lords” and “King of Kings” and the “Messiah” AND crucify Him at the very same time??? :0) YSM pretends that John the Baptist, Christ and the Twelve never even preached the “Gospel of the Kingdom” for Israel’s OBEDIENCE, as he does NOT even know enough about this topic to assign accurate doctrinal precepts to either of the “Two Gospels” of the New Testament one way or the other. The sad fact is that MANY here are under the power of the “deluding influence” (2Thes. 2:11) and forced into believing “what IS FALSE,” which means all of their work in this area is a ‘snare and a trap’ (see Romans 11:7-12) fashioned to lure you into their very same fate.

The truth on this “Two Gospels” topic has been presented in this same Dispensationalism Forum to my complete satisfaction, so everyone really seeking ‘the truth’ on this matter will find it. However, I will not continue wasting time on those of you blinded by the “god of this world” (2Cor. 4:3-4) wallowing around in the mire of your own “one gospel MYTH” nonsense and stupidity. My brothers and sisters “IN Christ Jesus” have every opportunity to see these things ‘rightly divided’ and everyone else can continue believing whatever you wish . . .

C.R. Stam begins describing the "Gospel of the Kingdom" (#1) here on page 132 with the "Gospel of Uncircumcision" (#2) starting on Page 136 with a scattering of errors mixed throughout his 'half-right' commentary. At least the guy is not mixing the two gospels together to create a 'false gospel' that God sent to nobody at all. Stam's work is really quite good, but only if you have someone to point out the areas where he has things 'wrongly divided' . . .

In Christ Jesus,

Terral

 

[yeshuasavedme]

To rightly divide is to lay the Scriptures all out side by side, as a farmer plows rows in his field, and compare Scripture with Scripture, which MAD doctrine fails to do and so loses the message which flows like a river from all the prophets from the beginniing of creation, and through Genesis to the last chapter in Revelation.

MAD doctrine cannot do that and stand, because MAD doctrine throws out almost all Scripture , as nessessary for doctrinal truth by comparing Scripture with Scripture, and depends on the words of men who invented a different gospel which has no foundation in the writings of all the prophets and the Torah [which testify to the person and work of the New Man for the redemption of Adam's seed and kingdom] and therefore is a bogus, false gospel.

In the Word of God there are "two" human being men: Adam -the first/old man; Israel -the second, New Man.
Adam is made a living soul; Israel is the Living Spirit/Christ/Messiah, who is YHWH in the second person [Isaiah 59] come from heaven, incarnate in human flesh of second creation; to be and do the duty of Kinsman to Adam.

The Father called/named each human being/man/kind He created. Genesis 5:2 -from the Hebrew manuscripts- is translated "male and female made He them and called their name Adam in the day they were created"; and He commanded them to multiply [the one Adam being] by the created seed from within the head/chief.
Adam was to be multiplying Adam seed for the persons born to be sons of God, which Adam was created to be [Luke 3:38; Malachi 2:15], for the Adam/human being kind house/temple for the Father's Glory to indwell.
At the fall, Adam lost the glory and the house is irrevocably ruined [because it is clay, as taught in the Law] and can never bear the Glory again: but the creator's plan was to melt the elements of Adam's creation by fire [as typed in the Torah] and form them into the image of the second human being Head/Chief/Firstborn, in the restoration of all things.

The Word of God is the story of creation, fall, and of our redemption back, for the Glory to indwell, but not in the old, dead in spirit man name/flesh; but by adoption into the New Man, Living Spirit name and flesh. Israel is the new Man. We call Him that which means "Salvation/ Messiah" in Hebrew, but which is transliterated and translated to English as Jesus [the] Christ; but the Father calls Him "Israel", "my Elect Son", as Isaiah 59 teaches us, as well as many other Scriptures do.

God does not dwell in houses made with hands, and the temple/tabernacle plans were given to the namesake people as types, to teach heavenly truths, about the temple "not made with hands" for the indwelling of the Glory. Adam lost the Glory indwelling: Israel gets it.

The firstborn of each human being kind created is the father/head/chief of that kind/being/name.
In Adam, we are all born as seed of the first human body of flesh "made a living soul" who was given life/breath by the breathing into his flesh that breath/life ,as a gift of "YHWH" [whose name means LIFE/BREATH]. We are all the multiplied seed of the head of our human kind, and we lost what our head/chief/firstborn lost, in the fall, and we are all born dead and shamed by that loss [for which reason we wear clothes to cover the shame of our nakedness, which is the loss of the Glory] .
When the Living Spirit -called the "Fountain of Living Waters" [Adam's fountain is dead water]-came down from heaven to incarnate in second human being flesh, He became our source for New Life in the Living Waters.
Whoever, being dead in spirit, with no life, thirsts for life/ living water, can now come to the waters and drink; which is to say that all in Adam have access to that Water since Jesus [Salvation] Christ [Messiah/Living Spirit]
paid the ransom for our souls and paid the ransom for our kingdom lost in Adam, so that we can be cleansed in our individual souls and dressed in His garments of Salvation [born again in Spirit and then in body, at the resurrection], and receive the lost inheritance which He ransomed, in His New Man name, to rule in Him as sons of God over the dominion Adam lost, and which He not only ransomed but will restore, when He unites heaven and earth with the Father in the regeneration of them, for the Glory of the unseen Father to fill.

-That's when the Father fills all, which He departed from at the fall.
that's when all that Adam lost and did not even ascend to because he failed the test, will be given to the adopted sons of the New Man, who bought it all back for the Glory.
This is the story of God's Word which is one Gospel from beginning to end.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

To rightly divide is to lay the Scriptures all out side by side, as a farmer plows rows in his field, and compare Scripture with Scripture, which MAD doctrine fails to do and so loses the message which flows like a river from all the prophets from the beginniing of creation, and through Genesis to the last chapter in Revelation.

MAD doctrine cannot do that and stand, because MAD doctrine throws out almost all Scripture , as nessessary for doctrinal truth by comparing Scripture with Scripture, and depends on the words of men who invented a different gospel which has no foundation in the writings of all the prophets and the Torah [which testify to the person and work of the New Man for the redemption of Adam's seed and kingdom] and therefore is a bogus, false gospel.

In the Word of God there are "two" human being men: Adam -the first/old man; Israel -the second, New Man.
Adam is made a living soul; Israel is the Living Spirit/Christ/Messiah, who is YHWH in the second person [Isaiah 59] come from heaven, incarnate in human flesh of second creation; to be and do the duty of Kinsman to Adam.

The Father called/named each human being/man/kind He created. Genesis 5:2 -from the Hebrew manuscripts- is translated "male and female made He them and called their name Adam in the day they were created"; and He commanded them to multiply [the one Adam being] by the created seed from within the head/chief.
Adam was to be multiplying Adam seed for the persons born to be sons of God, which Adam was created to be [Luke 3:38; Malachi 2:15], for the Adam/human being kind house/temple for the Father's Glory to indwell.
At the fall, Adam lost the glory and the house is irrevocably ruined [because it is clay, as taught in the Law] and can never bear the Glory again: but the creator's plan was to melt the elements of Adam's creation by fire [as typed in the Torah] and form them into the image of the second human being Head/Chief/Firstborn, in the restoration of all things.

The Word of God is the story of creation, the fall and loss of Glory, and of our redemption back, for the Glory to indwell; but not in the old, dead in spirit man/name/flesh; but by adoption into the New Man, Living Spirit, name -and flesh.
Israel is the new Man. We call Him that name which means "Salvation/ Messiah" in Hebrew, but which is transliterated and translated to English as "Jesus [the] Christ"; but the Father calls Him "Israel", "my Elect Son", as Isaiah 59 and many passages in the law and all the prophets teach us.

God does not dwell in houses made with hands, and the temple/tabernacle plans which were given to the namesake people were to teach, by types and shadows, the heavenly truths about the temple to come, says God's Word, which temple is"not made with hands", and which temple is for the indwelling of the Glory.

Haggai chapter 2 teaches about the second temple for the Glory and the Foundation Stone laid for that temple [which was laid when the Son of Man from heaven was incarnated in second creation flesh] Adam lost the Glory indwelling; Only Israel gets that Glory as a human being house/temple "not made wtih hands".

If you are not born again in His Living Spirit by second birth then you will never receive a share of the Glory from Him, as His adopted sons, for you will not be the house "prepared for you, to be a place for the Father to indwell"[John 14: 3-5], and if you are never born again in His Living Spirit you will never receive the inheritance of the restored kingdom and, then, at the regeneration of all things, the uniting with heaven and the Father, which He brings by the regeneration of all things, when He turns the regenerated heavens -of the realm of spirit over this earth where the unseen rulers of darkness now reign from, and will until their casting down and dissolving of their rule at His return] over this earth's realm and earth- back to the Father for the Glory to fill.

The firstborn of each human being kind created is the father/head/chief of that kind/being/name.
In Adam, we are all born as seed of the first human body of flesh, "made a living soul", who was given life/breath by the breathing into his flesh that breath/life, as a gift of "YHWH" [whose name means LIFE/BREATH]. We are all the multiplied seed of the head of our human kind, and we lost what our head/chief/firstborn lost, in the fall, and we are all born dead and shamed by that loss [for which reason we wear clothes to cover the shame of our nakedness, which is the loss of the Glory] .
When the Living Spirit -called the "Fountain of Living Waters" [Adam's fountain is dead water]-came down from heaven to incarnate in second human being flesh, He became our source for New Life in the Living Waters.
Whoever will, being dead in spirit, with no life, thirsts for life/ living water, can now come to the Living Waters and drink; which is to say that all in Adam have access to that Water since Jesus [Salvation] Christ [Messiah/Living Spirit]
paid the ransom for our souls and paid the ransom for our kingdom lost in Adam, so that we can be cleansed in our individual souls by His blood atonement, and dressed in His garments of Salvation [born again in Spirit and then in body, at the resurrection], and receive the lost inheritance [which He ransomed], in His New Man name; to rule over, in Him, as sons of God over the dominion Adam lost, when He unites heaven and earth with the Father in the regeneration of them, for the Glory of the unseen Father to fill.

-That's when the Father fills all, which He departed from at the fall.
that's when all that Adam lost and did not even ascend to because he failed the test, will be given to the adopted sons of the New Man, who bought it all back for the Glory.
This is the story of God's Word which is one Gospel from beginning to end.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Another thing about being in Adam, the dead in spirit and in flesh one old man, which is missed by those believing MAD doctrine -which doctrine is not connected to the One Everlasting Gospel of Salvation/Redemption/Deliverance- is that those born in Adam, who are born again in Christ, must be water baptized if they continue to walk on earth in the old dead Adam flesh man, for it [our dead Adam which our souls continue to wear, while we have our breath], must be subjected, in faith, to the hope of resurrection in Christ's New Man image of the regeneration, at the resurrection in His One New Man name.
The body we wear is dead because of sin, and shamed by that death and loss of the Glory, and therefore is a vain thing, not fulfilling it's original purpose; but to subject the body of Adam flesh, in faith, to water baptism, by obedience to the command of Jesus Christ given after His resurrection for all who believe the Gospel is to identify with the hope of the resurrection of that body of the cursed dust -the Adam- into the regenerated/transformed in the elements of it, image, of the second Living Man.

 

[jeffweeder]

YSM Does NOT Know The Differences Between The 'Two Gospels' Of The New Testament

Thought youd show up Mr Terral, telling people to see the Gospel differently to what the Prophets and Moses and the Psalms........... and Jesus Christ saw.

Even though it has been pointed out to you, that Pauls own testamony -(acts 26) -was that he STATED NOTHING EXCEPT what the Prophets and Moses and Jesus saw...or whether it was they or him that preached the gospel...people believed the Gospel , for it is the power of God unto salvation...(including Paul) ...you still choose to hack away and divide the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Jesus pointed out-(lk 24)- the hidden manna, when he opened their minds to what the prophets said about his suffering and ressurection and victory.

The Gospel witness was given to the Disiples, as they were the witnesses ,and the end product of this bride of Christ is etched with their names, and Jesus Christ being the cornerstone , on Gods true temple-The new Jerusalem-The place where Paul wanted his followers to dwell.

You believe Pauls name is etched in that foundation.
It is not----his own testamony again ,verifies that -lest he build on the foundation already set in Judea area, it was agreed that they go to the Gentiles, the very task that Jesus had said to him on the road to damascas.

This confirms that the Gospel he was preaching-was the same Gospel they were--and the prophets were...and he swore befrore Agrippa that it was so.

 

[Terral]

Hi YSM and Jeff:

To rightly divide is to lay the Scriptures all out side by side, as a farmer plows rows in his field, and compare Scripture with Scripture, which MAD doctrine fails to do and so loses the message which flows like a river from all the prophets from the beginniing of creation, and through Genesis to the last chapter in Revelation.

Yes. The power of the ‘deluding influence’ (2Thes. 2:11) is very powerful indeed. Anyone can reread Post # 11 and Post #12 and see that YSM failed to use even one verse of Scripture from the Pauline Epistles to describe his “Word of the Cross” (1Cor. 1:18) gospel message. In fact, YSM has never even attempted to lay out the doctrinal precepts teaching the “Gospel of the Kingdom” (Matt. 4:23, 9:35). Rather than “quote >>” one thing from Post #10 to begin actually ‘debating’ these “Two Gospels” and “Two Churches” Topics, this guy simply starts a brand new “Rightly Divide” Opening Post on Page 2 and pretends nobody will notice. :0) There is no Hebrew term translated into “Gospel” even once and no Hebrew term translated into “faith” more than just once. NASB. The terms “faith” and “grace” do NOT appear in the same verse anywhere in the Old Testament, or the Four Gospels, or in any book outside the Pauline Epistles. NASB. How are sins forgiven according to YSM’s “one gospel” MYTH? Would that be through repentance, confession and water baptism like for the “Gospel of the Kingdom,” or through God’s grace through faith and Christ’s shed blood (Eph. 1:7) like for Paul’s “Word of the Cross” gospel message? YSM avoids everything presented regarding ‘both’ gospels of the NT to continue jibber-jabbering about everything else under the sun . . .

MAD doctrine cannot do that and stand, because MAD doctrine throws out almost all Scripture , as nessessary for doctrinal truth by comparing Scripture with Scripture, and depends on the words of men who invented a different gospel which has no foundation in the writings of all the prophets and the Torah [which testify to the person and work of the New Man for the redemption of Adam's seed and kingdom] and therefore is a bogus, false gospel.

MAD doctrine? :0) Jesus Christ Himself appeared to Israel ONLY (Matt. 15:24) preaching the “Gospel of the Kingdom” (Matt. 4:23, 9:35), according to ‘the truth’ of God’s Living Word that YSM refuses to even acknowledge and discuss using his “Ostrich Defense” and vain imagination.

Thought youd show up Mr Terral, telling people to see the Gospel differently to what the Prophets and Moses and the Psalms........... and Jesus Christ saw.

Paul’s “My Gospel” is “according to the revelation of THE MYSTERY” (Rom. 16:25) and remained “Hidden IN GOD” (Eph. 3:9), until God actually raised Christ from the dead. Paul received our gospel via a ‘revelation of Jesus Christ’ (Gal. 1:11-12), so obviously he is preaching the “Gospel to the Uncircumcised” (Gal. 2:7) that our Risen Lord ‘saw.’ The question is about ‘when’ Jesus Christ saw it either walking around on the earth (during the Four Gospels), OR after God had already raised Him from the dead ‘and’ He ascended into heaven (Acts 1:9-11). Everyone here wanting to mix the “Two Gospels” of the NT together into a false gospel that DOES NOT SAVE is encouraged to follow YSM and Jeff to their ‘own destruction’ (2Peter 3:14-16), which results from distorting the “wisdom given him” (Paul). You are mixing the doctrinal precepts teaching the “Two Gospels” of the New Testament together into your very own ‘false gospel’ that God sent to NOBODY.

Even though it has been pointed out to you, that Pauls own testamony -(acts 26) -was that he STATED NOTHING EXCEPT what the Prophets and Moses and Jesus saw...or whether it was they or him that preached the gospel...people believed the Gospel , for it is the power of God unto salvation...(including Paul) ...you still choose to hack away and divide the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Paul is also “preaching the kingdom” (Acts 20:25 like in Acts 19:1-6) for the building of the Prophetic Kingdom “Bride” (John 3:29 = Church #1) like most everyone else in the Book of Acts. That does NOT change the absolute fact that he is the ‘steward’ over the members of Christ’s BODY (1Cor. 12:27) called to God via his “Word of the Cross” gospel message that is “according to the revelation of THE MYSTERY.” Rom. 16:25. What did Jeff ‘quote >>’ from any of my work, before beginning his Post #13 “one gospel” rant? Nothing at all. He does NOT know the differences between the “Two Gospels” or the “Two Churches” of the NT any more than YSM . . .

The funny part is that if either of these guys actually laid out the doctrinal precepts teaching their individual “one gospel” theories, then everyone here would realize they are preaching ‘two different’ gospel messages. :0) These guys do not want to explain how sins are forgiven, or how anyone receives the Holy Spirit, or if their believers remain or are released from Mosaic Law, or how anyone is justified, or which baptisms are connected to their “one gospel” MYTH, because they are here to ramble on aimlessly about something else . . .

In Christ Jesus via obeying Gospel #2,

Terral

 

[jeffweeder]

Paul’s “My Gospel” is “according to the revelation of THE MYSTERY”

The same Mystery that Jesus Opened the minds of his disciples to..according to the prophets.

Lets look at the mystery scriptures;

EPH 1
having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself,
10 that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth--in Him.
11 In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will,
12 that we who first trusted in Christ should be to the praise of His glory.
13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,
14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

Look at the bolded part....having believed the mystery Gospel..they were sealed with the Holy Spirit.
This happened first at pentecost...and Peter was doin all the talkin

Eph 3
The Mystery Revealed

1 For this reason I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for you Gentiles--
2 if indeed you have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which was given to me for you,
3 how that by revelation He made known to me the mystery (as I have briefly written already, ( eph 1)
4 by which, when you read, you may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ),
5 which in other ages was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to His holy apostles and prophets:
6 that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ through the gospel,
7 of which I became a minister according to the gift of the grace of God given to me by the effective working of His power.

Purpose of the Mystery

8 To me, who am less than the least of all the saints, this grace was given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ,
9 and to make all see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things through Jesus Christ;
10 to the intent that now the manifold wisdom of God might be made known by the church to the principalities and powers in the heavenly places,
11 according to the eternal purpose which He accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord,
12 in whom we have boldness and access with confidence through faith in Him.
13 Therefore I ask that you do not lose heart at my tribulations for you, which is your glory.

There it is again...revealed by the Spirit...to his Apostles...not just him....and how Paul became a minister of that Gospel

Now to Him who is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery kept secret since the world began
26 but now made manifest, and by the prophetic Scriptures made known to all nations, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, for obedience to the faith--
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How is the mystery made manifest?
Not by Pauls so called no 2 Gospel, but the Gospel according to the prophets.
The only true Gospel of Messiah Jesus Christ.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Thought youd show up Mr Terral, telling people to see the Gospel differently to what the Prophets and Moses and the Psalms........... and Jesus Christ saw.

Even though it has been pointed out to you, that Pauls own testamony -(acts 26) -was that he STATED NOTHING EXCEPT what the Prophets and Moses and Jesus saw...or whether it was they or him that preached the gospel...people believed the Gospel , for it is the power of God unto salvation...(including Paul) ...you still choose to hack away and divide the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Jesus pointed out-(lk 24)- the hidden manna, when he opened their minds to what the prophets said about his suffering and ressurection and victory.

The Gospel witness was given to the Disiples, as they were the witnesses ,and the end product of this bride of Christ is etched with their names, and Jesus Christ being the cornerstone , on Gods true temple-The new Jerusalem-The place where Paul wanted his followers to dwell.

You believe Pauls name is etched in that foundation.
It is not----his own testamony again ,verifies that -lest he build on the foundation already set in Judea area, it was agreed that they go to the Gentiles, the very task that Jesus had said to him on the road to damascas.

This confirms that the Gospel he was preaching-was the same Gospel they were--and the prophets were...and he swore befrore Agrippa that it was so.

So true, Jeff, that the doctrine being preached by MAD adherrents is not one the Gospel of God's Word.

You mentioned the hidden Manna, which is God come down from heaven to be Life to the Jew/natural Israel first -as keepers of the vineyard who are first to partake of the fruits [as Jesus' parable shows]- and the Gentiles last, who receive the "Salvation that is of the Jews", as Jsus said.

Here is the lesson of the Living Oracles about the "hidden Manna" that brings life:

In the Law, a pot of manna was to be hidden/shut up inside the Ark of the [Everlasting] Covenant. That Ark represented -as a type and shadow, living oracle- every future born again in Christ believer, who is, after being delivered from the slavery to sin and corruption in this world by the application -by faith- of that Lamb's blood to the doorposts to their hearts/inner man/souls, delivered from slavery to the sin and corruption they are under, in this world.
Because they are delivered, they are adopted as sons of God.
Because they are adopted, they are cleansed/washed in soul by the Atoning Blood's sprinkling of their new Father/Head/Firstborn/High Priest, whose New Man body of the second Creation served as the True Mercy Seat which covers the True Ark of the Everlasting Covenant.

It is the Mercy Seat which received the sprinkled blood which covered the Ark beneath it, in the Living Oracles "committed only to the namesake people of the New Man name", and it is the Ark beneath/under that Mercy Seat, in which the Manna is hidden [along with the Decalogue, showing the Law engraved on the hearts of flesh of those born again in Christ, whose Living Spirit now dwells in their own hearts].
To be under His blood then, is to be born again and a member of the body/Ark of the Everlasting Covenant. YHWH come in flesh is the Everlasting Covenant of redemption for Adam, which was promised, from the beginning. He is our "Head", and we are His body.
We are now hidden with God, in Christ -if we are born again- ourselves, and we partake of the Hidden Manna sent down from heaven, which is indeed hidden within us, because His Living Spirit is given us by the second birth.

Those who teach a second gospel are deceived, and I would counsel them to go learn the first principles of the Oracles of God, which are the foundational principles of the One Everlasting Covenant, which Covenant was from the beginning -from the foundation of the world- and which oracles teach us about our Salvation in the New Man's adoption of us, by His work as Kinsman/Redeemer.

MAD doctrine promoters have a need to learn for the first time, as they have never learned it, the ABC'S of the Oracles of God, which teach us about the Person and work of Christ come in flesh to be the Redeemer of the entire race of Adam and of his lost kingdom, and the restorer of all things in the regeneration of them, when He turns them all back to the Father for the Glory to fill.
Hbr 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which [be] the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

Only to the Jews were the Oracles of God committed, which serve as schoolmaster to tutor about the Person and work of Christ for the nations and the whole creation, who was to come in flesh and is come in flesh and shall come to reign over His ransomed creation in flesh of the second creation, as the God of the whole earth and the Everlasting Father.
Rom 3:1,2 what advantage has the Jews? Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.

His Spirit is the Spirit of adoption, and He promised that when He went to the cross, He would not leave us orphans.
Jhn 14:18 I will not leave you as orphans: I will come to you.

In Adam we were all orphans and not sons of God since the fall. In Christ we are sons of God by that adoption, and His Spirit is in us and we are in Him.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Another thing MAD doctrine is clueless about is the sealing of the disciples of Christ, who are able to be born again because of the finished work of the Lamb of God's Atonement. As members of His New Man body, which membership was typed in the Ark of the [Everlasting[ Covenant as given to the namesake people of the New Man name through Moses, all who are His disciples now have the Witness -the Testimony of Christ within- by the Spirit of adoption, and have the "Torah/Word" sealed within as New Men in the Living Spirit of God, the Word/Truth come in flesh.
Isa 8:16 Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples.

When Jesus said you must be born of the Water and of the Spirit, He spoke of the second birth in the Living Spirit, which is the Living Water, Christ, which flows from the created throne in the created temple in heaven above, which throne of Mercy and Glory serve as it's headwaters "from eternity" [as typed in the Word of God in Ezekiel 47:1-5; Rev 22: 1-5], and He spoke of the Water of the Word, which we must be born of, which is "engrafted" on our New Man 'hearts[/inner man of the Spirit], of flesh.
In the book of Enoch, that Living Water we see in Ezekiel and in Rev is also seen as a stream of fire, proceeding from the throne of God there, and the Fire is seen as God's Word, in Enoch and in the OT and in the New.
So MAD is not based on the teaching of the Schoolmaster, and is baseless, without foundation in the Law and the Prophets, which Testimony of the Law and the Prophets only Witness to Jesus Christ's Person and work.

The Stream from beneath the throne seen in Enoch:

chapter 14:
And the vision was shown to me thus: Behold, in the vision clouds invited me and a mist summoned me, and the course of the stars and the lightnings sped and hastened me, and the winds in 9 the vision caused me to fly and lifted me upward, and bore me into heaven. And I went in till I drew nigh to a wall which is built of crystals and surrounded by tongues of fire: and it began to affright 10 me.
And I went into the tongues of fire and drew nigh to a large house which was built of crystals: and the walls of the house were like a tesselated floor (made) of crystals, and its groundwork was 11 of crystal. Its ceiling was like the path of the stars and the lightnings, and between them were 12 fiery cherubim, and their heaven was (clear as) water.

A flaming fire surrounded the walls, and its 13 portals blazed with fire. And I entered into that house, and it was hot as fire and cold as ice: there 14 were no delights of life therein: fear covered me, and trembling got hold upon me. And as I quaked 15 and trembled, I fell upon my face. And I beheld a vision, And lo! there was a second house, greater 16 than the former, and the entire portal stood open before me, and it was built of flames of fire.
And in every respect it so excelled in splendour and magnificence and extent that I cannot describe to 17 you its splendour and its extent. And its floor was of fire, and above it were lightnings and the path 18 of the stars, and its ceiling also was flaming fire. And I looked and saw therein a lofty throne: its appearance was as crystal, and the wheels thereof as the shining sun, and there was the vision of 19 cherubim.

And from underneath the throne came streams of flaming fire so that I could not look 20 thereon. And the Great Glory sat thereon, and His raiment shone more brightly than the sun and 21 was whiter than any snow. None of the angels could enter and could behold His face by reason 22 of the magnificence and glory and no flesh could behold Him. The flaming fire was round about Him, and a great fire stood before Him, and none around could draw nigh Him: ten thousand times 23 ten thousand (stood) before Him, yet He needed no counselor. And the most holy ones who were 24 nigh to Him did not leave by night nor depart from Him. And until then I had been prostrate on my face, trembling: and the Lord called me with His own mouth, and said to me: ' Come hither, 25 Enoch, and hear my word.' And one of the holy ones came to me and waked me, and He made me rise up and approach the door: and I bowed my face downwards.

Mat 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: He shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and fire:
Ezekiel 47:

Eze 47:1 THEN he brought me back to the door of the temple; and there was water, flowing from under the threshold of the temple toward the east, for the front of the temple faced east; the water was flowing from under the right side of the temple, south of the altar.
Eze 47:2 He brought me out by way of the north gate, and led me around on the outside to the outer gateway that faces east; and there was water, running out on the right side.
Eze 47:3 And when the man went out to the east with the line in his hand, he measured one thousand cubits, and he brought me through the waters; the water came up to my ankles.
Eze 47:4 Again he measured one thousand and brought me through the waters; the water came up to my knees. Again he measured one thousand and brought me through; the water came up to my waist.
Eze 47:5 Again he measured one thousand, and it was a river that I could not cross; for the water was too deep, water in which one must swim, a river that could not be crossed.
Eze 47:6 He said to me, "Son of man, have you considered this?"

In the above, the cubits represent years. Christ, the Living Spirit/Fountain of Living Waters, is seen as come in flesh at the end of four thousand years of Creation, bringing Salvation -Life- to "whosoever will".

Rev 22:1 AND he showed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding from the throne of God and of the Lamb.
Rev 22:2 In the middle of its street, and on either side of the river, was the tree of life, which bore twelve fruits, each tree yielding its fruit every month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
Rev 22:3 And there shall be no more curse, but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it, and His servants shall serve Him.

Deu 4:24 For the LORD thy God [is] a consuming fire, [even] a jealous God.
Hbr 12:29 For our God [is] a consuming fire.
Jer 20:9 Then I said, I will not make mention of him, nor speak any more in his name. But [his word] was in mine heart as a burning fire shut up in my bones, and I was weary with forbearing, and I could not [stay].
Jer 23:29 [Is] not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer [that] breaketh the rock in pieces?
Mat 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: He shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and fire:

Eph 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her,
Eph 5:26 that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word,


Fire/Word/Water/Life: MAD doctrine promoters need to wade in the waters of Life, and get the hidden Manna within, receive the engrafted Word as New born babes in the New Man's Living Spirit, and be adopted sons of God, cleansed in their souls by the blood of Atonement. then they can proclaim the "One Everlasting Gospel", as His witnesses, with the Testimony bound and the Law sealed within them, as members of His true Ark/body.

Jam 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.

1 Peter 2
Therefore, laying aside all malice, all deceit, hypocrisy, envy, and all evil speaking, 2 as newborn babes, desire the pure milk of the word, that you may grow thereby, 3 if indeed you have tasted that the Lord is gracious.
The Chosen Stone and His Chosen People
4 Coming to Him as to a living stone, rejected indeed by men, but chosen by God and precious, 5 you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6 Therefore it is also contained in the Scripture,

"Behold, I lay in Zion
A chief cornerstone, elect, precious,
And he who believes on Him will by no means be put to shame."

7 Therefore, to you who believe, He is precious; but to those who are disobedient,

"The stone which the builders rejected
Has become the chief cornerstone,"

8 and

"A stone of stumbling
And a rock of offense."

They stumble, being disobedient to the word, to which they also were appointed.
9 But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; 10 who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy.

 

[Terral]

Hi Jeff:

Paul’s “My Gospel” is “according to the revelation of THE MYSTERY” (Rom. 16:25) and remained “Hidden IN GOD” (Eph. 3:9), until God actually raised Christ from the dead. Paul received our gospel via a ‘revelation of Jesus Christ’ (Gal. 1:11-12), so obviously he is preaching the “Gospel to the Uncircumcised” (Gal. 2:7) that our Risen Lord ‘saw.’

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No Jeff! Your meager offering in Post #15 includes citations from Ephesians 1, 3 and Romans 16 concerning Gospel #2 ONLY. Where is your expert commentary describing the "Gospel of the Kingdom" that Jesus Christ Himself preached straight out of the starting gate some 30 years EARLIER?????

"Jesus was going throughout all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues and proclaiming the Gospel of the Kingdom (Gospel #1 here), and healing every kind of disease and every kind of sickness among the people." Matthew 4:23.

"Now after John had been taken into custody, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the Gospel of God, and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in THE GOSPEL." Mark 1:14-15.

Maybe Jeff's Bible does not include a Mark Chapter 1 or Matthew Chapter 4 clearly showing Jesus Christ preaching the "GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM" the very same way He is doing in Matthew 9:35. Has Jesus Christ DIED for anyone in Mark 1? No! So stop embarrassing yourself right along with YSM as if neither of you can READ what is clearly written. Satan had no clue that God was going to raise Christ from the dead AND the believers in "our gospel" WITH HIM, or he would have never crucified the Lord of Glory! 1Cor. 2:6-8. God let everyone believe that He was restoring the Kingdom TO ISRAEL, so that Satan would make the provision for our redemption by murdering THE KING.

Did John the Baptist come preaching that sins were forgiven through Christ's shed blood? No! That was impossible, because again (for the visually impaired), Christ has NOT died for anyone in Mark 1!!! God is forgiving sins via repentance, confession of sins and water baptism to 'start' off the Four Gospels, as these are basic components teaching the "Gospel of the Kingdom."

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Greetings:

This thread is dedicated to comparing the differences between the ‘gospel of the kingdom’ and our ‘word of the cross’ gospel message of today. My hypothesis is that God gathers members to the kingdom ‘bride’ (John 3:29) through the first gospel described below and members to the mystery ‘body of Christ’ (Eph. 4:12) through Paul’s Gospel #2. Here is a basic Gospel of the Kingdom 101 lesson:

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This is NOT our gospel for today. Nobody has been saved by this Gospel message for almost 2000 years.
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I. Gospel of the Kingdom (Matthew 4:23 , Matthew 9:35, Matthew 24:14, Acts 8:12). Gospel to the Circumcised. Galatians 2:7.

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The "Two Gospels" OP opens up with descriptions of the "Gospel of the Kingdom" that John the Baptist, Jesus Christ and the Twelve reached to Israel ONLY (Matt. 15:24, 10:5-7) BEFORE Christ died for sins and BEFORE God raised Him from the dead (Rom. 10:9). Nobody could 'preach' salvation by God's grace through faith in the blood sacrifice of Jesus Christ in Mark 1, because??? Any clues? :0) None of that happened until the END of the Four Gospels, but Peter, John and James had sins forgiven via the "Gospel of the Kingdom" exactly according to God's Plan:

"John the Baptist appeared in the wilderness preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins. And all the country of Judea was going out to him, and all the people of Jerusalem; and they were being baptized by him in the Jordan River, confessing their sins." Mark 1:4-5.

Where is the part about Christ dying for sins? :0) Oh, Jeff is using statements from the Apostle Paul written three decades later (heh) to prove John the Baptist is preaching "Jesus Christ and Him Crucified" (1Cor. 2:2) right here in Mark 1.

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1. The good news that the ‘kingdom of heaven’ is ‘at hand’ (Matthew 3:2, Matthew 4:17, Matthew 10:7). i.e., ‘preaching the kingdom.’ Acts 20:25.

2. According to Prophecy; seen by the OT Prophets. Isaiah 40:3, Malachi 3:1.

In each case, we see John the Baptist (Matt. 3:1-6) and Christ (Matt. 4:17-23) and the Twelve (Matt. 10:5-7) preaching the "Gospel of the Kingdom" and saying that the 'Prophesied' (Ex. 19:6) Kingdom was indeed 'at hand,' which Israel was to ACCEPT by recognizing John the Baptist as Elijah (Matt. 11:8-14) and Jesus Christ as the "Son of God" (John 1:34) coming behind to baptize with the Holy Spirit. John 1:33. All of these things were seen by the Prophets, which is the reason Isaiah and Malachi could make these prophecies in the first place. Where are the prophecies about the Apostle Paul and our mystery BODY of Christ? :0) Oh, that part nobody was allowed to see . . .

3. Obtain eternal life by keeping the commandments. Matthew 19:16-17.

4. Water baptism (during confession) for the ‘forgiveness of sins.’ Mark 1:4, Acts 2:38. (John’s Baptism; Acts 19:3; name of the Father; John 1:6, 33, Matthew 28:19.)

Israel of the flesh and Peter's Prophetic Kingdom Bride continue to be under Mosaic Law even to this day, because the Law remains 'for them' until heaven and earth pass away (Matt. 5:17-19, James 2:10). John's Baptism IN WATER represents the first of 'three baptisms' (Matt. 28:19) given BY GOD (John 1:6, 33) for the specific provision for the forgiveness of sins (see Luke 1:76-78 and Mark 1:4-5 again). Some people confuse John's Baptism with a fictional "believer's baptism," which represents blind souls borrowing this provision of the "Gospel of the Kingdom" for inclusion in their 'false gospel' that God sent to nobody at all. Water baptism for the forgiveness of sins ONLY has application for the "Gospel of the Kingdom," as our "one baptism" (Eph. 4:5) for Paul's Gospel is done by the Holy Spirit (1Cor. 12:12-14) having nothing to do with water at all.

5. Baptism in the ‘name of the Lord Jesus’ (Acts 8:16, Acts 19:5), ‘name of the Son’ (Matthew 28:19)

6. Receive the Spirit through the baptism in the ‘name of the Holy Spirit’ (Matthew 28:19) through the laying of hands (Acts 8:17, Acts 19:6).

The baptism 'in the name of the Lord Jesus' ONLY has meaning for the "Gospel of the Kingdom" to represent the 'second' of three baptisms showing "The Way" into the Holy of Holies (diagram) where the newly baptized 'disciple' can THEN receive the Holy Spirit through the laying of hands. This is the 'gospel' preached by Peter to Israel on the Day of Pentecost having nothing to do with Paul's "My Gospel" (#2) given to him through a 'revelation of Jesus Christ' (Gal. 1:11-12) AFTER his conversion in Acts 9. Yes. Paul is also "preaching the Kingdom" (Acts 20:25) to the disciples in Acts 19:1-6 like everyone else in the Book of Acts, which causes people to get confused about the differences between the "Two Gospels" of the NT.

7. Justified by ‘works and not by faith alone.’ James 2:20-24.

8. Kingdom disciples are under Mosaic Law (Matthew 5:18, James 2:10).

Peter, John, James and all the Kingdom Disciples saved via the "Gospel of the Kingdom" are justified by WORKS and not by faith alone. The acts of 'water baptism' and laying of hands for the Holy Spirit are WORKS done by a human being to become parts of 'their' (Kingdom Bride = Church #1) justification by WORKS process. Israel and Peter's Kingdom Bride stay under Mosaic Law, because their justification is by WORKS and not by faith alone.

If you go through all eight doctrinal precepts teaching Paul's "Word of the Cross" gospel message, then you will see a list of 'directly opposing' components that include NO WORKS anywhere at all. These guys ramble aimlessly about what Paul is teaching about Gospel #2, while pretending nobody is preaching the "Gospel of the Kingdom" way back in Mark 1. :0)

The sad fact is that these guys simply do not possess the spiritual maturity to write two sentences of 'rightly divided' Bible commentary on the "Gospel of the Kingdom" or Paul's "Word of the Cross" gospel messages, so they talk, talk, talk about everything else and pretend that nobody notices. If anybody here really wants to follow that MADNESS, then knock yourself out . . .

In Christ Jesus,

Terral

 

[yeshuasavedme]

I wonder why this is [before this post] showing Terrals' post of yesterday # 13 as the last post, though there are five posts after his?

 

[jeffweeder]

I wonder why this is [before this post] showing Terrals' post of yesterday # 13 as the last post, though there are five posts after his?

yes, i saw this also, earlier in the day, yet it was yeshua who had posted last. Hmmm
Hopefully it will be Terrals last post...