Two commandments from Christ

[BGMCFAR]

Matt 22: 37-40 You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart , withall your soul and with allyour mind. This is the first and great commandment. and the second is like it Youshall love your neighbor as you love yourself. ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG ALL THE lAW AND PROPHETS. iF THIS IS THE CASE THEN UNDER THE NEW COVENANT AND ACCORDING TO Paul we are know longer under the law , but under grace So covince me Scripturialy why I should keep Saturday the way most Trads due or is it just tradtion Know EGW please straight from Bible

 

[RND]

Matt 22: 37-40 You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart , withall your soul and with allyour mind. This is the first and great commandment. and the second is like it Youshall love your neighbor as you love yourself. ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG ALL THE lAW AND PROPHETS. iF THIS IS THE CASE THEN UNDER THE NEW COVENANT AND ACCORDING TO Paul we are know longer under the law , but under grace So covince me Scripturialy why I should keep Saturday the way most Trads due or is it just tradtion Know EGW please straight from Bible

Does Paul give you license to disobey God's law? Can a Christian, since they are now "under grace" commit adultery or murder with impunity? If a judge commutes your speeding ticket are you free to speed anytime you want?

A Jewish guy on another board told me that the "Ten words" were for nobody but the Jews. I asked him, if that was truly the case, would it be OK for gentiles to kill Jews and have adulterous affairs with their wives. I haven't heard back from him yet.

 

[BGMCFAR]

Does Paul give you license to disobey God's law? Can a Christian, since they are now "under grace" commit adultery or murder with impunity? If a judge commutes your speeding ticket are you free to speed anytime you want?

A Jewish guy on another board told me that the "Ten words" were for nobody but the Jews. I asked him, if that was truly the case, would it be OK for gentiles to kill Jews and have adulterous affairs with their wives. I haven't heard back from him yet.

But you didn't answer the question youmiss the whole point I want scripture not your opinun and oh and Paul qualified it by saying does that meanin we go on siinning so grace will increse I don,t think so. read the text in Matthew then think about it. and Paul said pitty those that are under the law. and if you follow the commands that Christ gave in Matthew you wouldn't commit murdar or steal cause would you murdar yourself or steal from youself and how would you commit adaultry to yourslf. show me the scripture for what I asked coerning the keeping of Saturday from the Bible without EGW or SDA doctrine.

 

[RND]

But you didn't answer the question

I didn't see that you asked one. I didn't see a question mark, or for that matter, much punctuation in your post.

youmiss the whole point I want scripture not your opinun

I was looking for your "opinion" however.

and oh and Paul qualified it by saying does that meanin we go on siinning so grace will increse I don,t think so.

Whew, that's good to know that then!

read the text in Matthew then think about it.

I have. Jesus was quoting from the Old Testament when He said what He did regarding the law. Were you aware of that?

and Paul said pitty those that are under the law.

Well, I don';t think he said it quite like that but I get your point.

and if you follow the commands that Christ gave in Matthew you wouldn't commit murdar or steal cause would you murdar yourself or steal from youself and how would you commit adaultry to yourslf.

Hmmmm, then how did those things happen in the time before Jesus?

show me the scripture for what I asked coerning the keeping of Saturday from the Bible without EGW or SDA doctrine.

Can I use the Bible?

Exd 34:28
And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

Deu 4:13
And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, [even] ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.

Isa 56:6 ¶
Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;

Psa 103:17
But the mercy of the LORD [is] from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children's children; 18 To such as keep his covenant, and to those that remember his commandments to do them.

Psa 119:165
Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.

Mat 23:23
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier [matters] of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Luke 23:55
And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid. 56
And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment. - (After Jesus died they still kept the Sabbath).

Rev 12:17
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Rev 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Rev 22:14
Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

 

[RND]

So covince me Scripturialy why I should keep Saturday the way most Trads due or is it just tradtion

This isn't a question, it's a declarative sentence. The poster isn't asking a question like, "Why should I keep the sabbath?" The poster is declaring that he needs to be "convinced" of something, it this case he is declaring that he needs to be convinced of keeping the sabbath the way most traditional Adventists do or if it is merely a tradition.

 

[capnator]

You've already stated the Sabbath hangs on the principle of love.

The bible defines sin as breaking God’s law.
1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Sin: the thing that keeps us from God, the thing for which Christ had to die in order to save us.
1 cor 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

We can briefly look at the science of salvation.
Everyone has sinned Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Sin condemns us to death and Christ provides life through a gift Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
We receive the gift by repenting or acknowledging that we are sinful 1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
We repent and believe and Christ through grace provides our salvation. Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:
We then walk a life filled with the spirit of God in obedience to God having Christ as our Lord and master. A clean vessel created for to serve God with good works 2 tim 2:21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, [and] prepared unto every good work.

Now having repented of sin which includes turning away from it, and being saved by Christ’s death on our behalf from sin… do we then have the right to keep sinning? Of course not! Some would say we no longer need the law because Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. We are most certainly under grace or we are not saved but that is not a licence to break the law. The purpose of the law is to show us what sin is so we can avoid it. The law condemns to death everyone who breaks it so to be under the law is not good! But without law there is nothing to condemn the wicked or to define for us what sin is. We were all under law until we were saved from it by grace. The next verse needs to be read Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. Paul knew what he was talking about.. it is ludicrous to say that having been saved from sin(breaking God’s law) we should then turn around and go back to sin he says God forbid! Rom 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

The bible tells us that to love God is to have obedience and respect for his way of doing things. 1John 2: 3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

In fact those that do not have the spirit dwelling in them will not even be able to keep God’s law, sure they may be able to put on a show of holiness Christ had plenty to say to the Pharisees about their hypocrisy and they were the most rule driven people that ever existed. But ultimately Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. The carnal mind will rebel against God’s way, it has always been the way but the carnal mind will elevate tradition over God’s way of doing things and then say but what does it matter if we do things our way! Honestly if we do not want to be subject to God and his way of doing things why pretend? Luke 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

 

[capnator]

So here is where the Sabbath fits into this, James 2 :10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all. It is plain that he is speaking of the ten commandments just read from vs 8-12. If we are to keep the whole Ten commandments that would have to include the fourth which states.

Ex 20: 8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates: 11 For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

It is no coincidence that the one command of God that tells us to REMEMBER is the one that has been forgotten!

Which day is the Seventh day? Just look in the dictionary here’s what it says Sat·ur·day (săt'ər-dē, -dā')
n.

1. (Abbr. Sat. or S) The seventh day of the week.
2. The Jewish Sabbath.

Also in 108 languages around the world The word for Saturday correlates to Sabbath.

Origin of the Sabbath.
Look at creation Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

The Sabbath was instituted at creation, for what purpose?
Mark 2: 27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: 28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath. The Sabbath was not made for Jews only, it was made mankind and Jesus claims to be the lord of it.

It was kept before the law was written down at Sinai
Ex 16: 25 And Moses said, Eat that to day; for to day [is] a Sabbath unto the LORD: to day ye shall not find it in the field. 26 Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, [which is] the sabbath, in it there shall be none. 27 And it came to pass, [that] there went out [some] of the people on the seventh day for to gather, and they found none. 28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?
The Jews continued to keep it until the time that Jesus came in the flesh.

Jesus kept the Sabbath.
Luke 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

The disciples were still keeping the Sabbath after Jesus ascended to heaven.
Acts 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three Sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures Acts 13:44 And the next Sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God. Acts 16:13 And on the Sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted [thither].

They were still keeping the Sabbath because you don’t find anywhere in the bible from the start to the finish where it was Changed from Saturday to Sunday, they were with Jesus when he said Matt 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. They loved God and therefore obeyed him 1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

 

[BGMCFAR]

This isn't a question, it's a declarative sentence. The poster isn't asking a question like, "Why should I keep the sabbath?" The poster is declaring that he needs to be "convinced" of something, it this case he is declaring that he needs to be convinced of keeping the sabbath the way most traditional Adventists do or if it is merely a tradition.

Again, this post would be a perfect opportunity to remind all those yungins' watchin' and readin' this here thread to STAY IN SCHOOL!

Well RND this here yungin happens to be a 60 year college student with a 3.5 GPA also a member of Alpha Sigma Gamma Honor Society.and why do some of you have to be so rude here a bunch of us christians are trying to have a friendly discussion and some one has to be rude I was very sincere about my post.

 

[RND]

Well RND this here yungin happens to be a 60 year college student with a 3.5 GPA also a member of Alpha Sigma Gamma Honor Society.and why do some of you have to be so rude here a bunch of us christians are trying to have a friendly discussion and some one has to be rude I was very sincere about my post.

I have a quick question Mac. English isn't one of your majors is it?

 

[BGMCFAR]

So here is where the Sabbath fits into this, James 2 :10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one [point], he is guilty of all. It is plain that he is speaking of the ten commandments just read from vs 8-12. If we are to keep the whole Ten commandments that would have to include the fourth which states.

Ex 20: 8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates: 11 For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

It is no coincidence that the one command of God that tells us to REMEMBER is the one that has been forgotten!

Which day is the Seventh day? Just look in the dictionary here’s what it says Sat·ur·day (săt'ər-dē, -dā')
n.

1. (Abbr. Sat. or S) The seventh day of the week.
2. The Jewish Sabbath.

Also in 108 languages around the world The word for Saturday correlates to Sabbath.

Origin of the Sabbath.
Look at creation Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

The Sabbath was instituted at creation, for what purpose?
Mark 2: 27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: 28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath. The Sabbath was not made for Jews only, it was made mankind and Jesus claims to be the lord of it.

It was kept before the law was written down at Sinai
Ex 16: 25 And Moses said, Eat that to day; for to day [is] a Sabbath unto the LORD: to day ye shall not find it in the field. 26 Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, [which is] the sabbath, in it there shall be none. 27 And it came to pass, [that] there went out [some] of the people on the seventh day for to gather, and they found none. 28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?
The Jews continued to keep it until the time that Jesus came in the flesh.

Jesus kept the Sabbath.
Luke 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

The disciples were still keeping the Sabbath after Jesus ascended to heaven.
Acts 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three Sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures Acts 13:44 And the next Sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God. Acts 16:13 And on the Sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted [thither].

They were still keeping the Sabbath because you don’t find anywhere in the bible from the start to the finish where it was Changed from Saturday to Sunday, they were with Jesus when he said Matt 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. They loved God and therefore obeyed him 1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

CAPNATOR THANK YOU SO MUCH YOUR POST WAS VERY MUCH APPRECIATED iAPPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH I,M ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO LIKE IT STRAIGHT FROM THE BIBLE. MAY GOD BLESS

 

[BGMCFAR]

I have a quick question Mac. English isn't one of your majors is it?

RND I'm a double major Animal Science and Agricultural Business Management with a minor in plant science. and english is not one of my strong suites , but I do get alot of refrigerator papers and when I prepare a paper for school I use my spell check and puncuation correction. Which are a lifesavers. God Bless Also I wouldn't able to do what I've done without the help of my Lord Jesus Christ all the credit go to him. I couldn't do it without him.

 

[RND]

RND I'm a double major Animal Science and Agricultural Business Management with a minor in plant science. and english is not one of my strong suites , but I do get alot of refrigerator papers and when I prepare a paper for school I use my spell check and puncuation correction. Which are a lifesavers. God Bless

Outstanding! BTW this most recent post of yours is a wonderful example of using proper punctuation and grammar. Thanks. You are much easier to understand all of a sudden. God bless brother.

 

[BGMCFAR]

Outstanding! BTW this most recent post of yours is a wonderful example of using proper punctuation and grammar. Thanks. You are much easier to understand all of a sudden. God bless brother.

Your welcome RND I'll try even harder to be a little more clear Thank you God bless I need to go study. Math my favorite HAHA!

 

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