Two Cabins

[Chesterton]

Let me know when you Christians start trying it.

You can start without us whenever you want.

Human nature is a fairly nebulous term. I would say there's much wrong with certain people's nature, and not much wrong with others. It's only properly judged on an individual basis.

To say all humans share the same nature is an absurd stereotype. There are a lot of generally good people in society, and a minority who are generally not good people.

I'm not saying generally good people are perfect in every sense, and I'm not saying bad people don't have their good moments, it's more of a sliding scale.

But we can certainly complain with justification if someone wrongs us or someone else, or society at large even if we aren't perfect ourselves.

If we agree that there is something wrong with people (to greater or lesser degrees), by what standard are we assigning that label? There must be a right way to be in order for there to be a wrong way to be, no?

The Christian ideal has been tried numerous times through history, it lead to times far more barbaric than our own.

When was this?

 

[Dave Ellis]

If we agree that there is something wrong with people (to greater or lesser degrees), by what standard are we assigning that label? There must be a right way to be in order for there to be a wrong way to be, no?

I agree in order to define right and wrong you require a standard. If there is any standard on which to base morality upon it would be the general objective well-being of any person, group of people, or society involved with a given scenario.

When was this?

The Dark Ages, when the church actually had political control over most European nations.

 

[Davian]

Do you see any problem with human nature?

No more than a large rock is heavy.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Do you see any problem with human nature?

Oh yeah, we are one of if not the most dysfunctional social group species on the planet. I mean, we kill members of our own species, and find contexts for it that are generally acceptable to most people. That is really, really bad for a social species to be willing to do that in circumstances without risk of harm coming to the whole group.