Two Brides

[Christophercbm]

If the Church and Israel are separate, doesnt that make two brides? Is Israel the bride of God, and the church the bride of Christ? Or what?

 

[dan p]

If the Church and Israel are separate, doesnt that make two brides? Is Israel the bride of God, and the church the bride of Christ? Or what?

Hi , and I just noticed that , that I had posted a similar thread .

There are many believers that believe the Body of Christ is " the Bride of Christ ".

We , know from Jer 3:8 that Christ was married to Israel , Divorced Israel , and in the Gospels tried to get together Acts 3:19 and 20 !!

But will remarry Israel !!

In the Body of Christ , I have nor seen a Wedding Ceremony for the Body .

Even some Dispensationalist , say that the Body of Christ is the Bride of Christ .

It is easy to rebut !!

Israel and Gentiles will always be Separate as Num 23:9 reveals !!

God will not have to Brides , tht I can see !!

Even in the Millennium Gentiles and Jews will be separate !!

dan p

 

[Bro in Christ]

God the Father will marry Israel
JC will marry the church

 

[dan p]

God the Father will marry Israel
JC will marry the church

Hi , and have ever seen a Wedding Ceromony with the Body of Christ in the bible ??

Remember , that all in the Body of Christ , there is Neither Male nor Female !!

Gal 3:28 !!

dan p

 

[Bro in Christ]

not a physical union but a spiritual union but they have a similar connection by the closeness which is the only experience we have at this present time

 

[Dispy]

If the Church and Israel are separate, doesnt that make two brides? Is Israel the bride of God, and the church the bride of Christ? Or what?

According to Hosea 2, Israel is the adulterous wife of God but will be restored as the Bride of God (Christ).

Jesus is the Head of the Church, the Body of Christ, and we are members of His body, of His flesh, and of His bones (Eph. 5:30). Not His bride.

 

[Joe Guth]

I had one dispensationalism friend say that God may be a polygamist if he so chooses.

 

[Bro in Christ]

???

 

[Christophercbm]

According to Hosea 2, Israel is the adulterous wife of God but will be restored as the Bride of God (Christ).

Jesus is the Head of the Church, the Body of Christ, and we are members of His body, of His flesh, and of His bones (Eph. 5:30). Not His bride.

But the bride of Christ is mentioned as a virgin bride. How can that be said for Israel?

 

[Dispy]

But the bride of Christ is mentioned as a virgin bride. How can that be said for Israel?

Where is that verse located?

 

[Christophercbm]

Where is that verse located?

2Cor 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
2Cor 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

 

[Dispy]

2Cor 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
2Cor 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

The Apostle Paul was the first one to bring the Gospel of the Grace of God to those at Corinth. False teachers (suitors) came in and tried to court them away causing Paul to be resentful and jealous of them.

Paul could not espouse anyone to Christ. It is the Holy Spirit that draws sinners to Christ.

 

[Joe Guth]

Both are true. Paul espoused the gentle believers to Christ. The Holy Spirit does the regenerating. Why deny the passage shown to you?

 

[winifred]

Christophercbm
Dan p
Bro in Christ
Dispy
Joe Gath

Dispy:
According to Hosea 2, Israel is the adulterous wife of God but will be restored as the Bride of God (Christ).

Jesus is the Head of the Church, the Body of Christ, and we are members of His body, of His flesh, and of His bones (Eph. 5:30). Not His bride.

I agree that Christ Jesus our risen Lord is the Head of the Church which is His Body: that we are members of His Body, and not 'the Bride.'

The term 'The Bride of Christ' is not found anywhere in Scripture, yet it is used so generally among Christians, isn't it?

'The Bride, the Lamb's wife' - Rev.21:9 - This is explained as 'The Holy Jerusalem descending out of heaven from God' - it is described in detail. This is the city for which Abraham looked, isn't it?
The twelve apostles are mentioned in relation to the Bride, for they will sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel (Matt. 19:28) during the 1,000 year reign.

* Those who inhabit this city will be the 'Overcomers', who like Abraham 'Overcame' in his generation, similarly, the believing remnant, who overcame during the Acts period. and those who take part in the first resurrection, spoken of in Rev. 20:5,6.

This is worth spending more time on, when time allows.

In Christ Jesus
Wings

 

[Christophercbm]

I think the verses I quoted earlier make it clear that the Church is the bride.

2Cor 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
2Cor 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Plus, Eve was taken from Adams body (rib) and became his bride. So even though we make up the body of Christ, I still think we are his bride.

This is from gotquestions.org

Question: "What does it mean that the church is the bride of Christ?"

Answer: The imagery and symbolism of marriage is applied to Christ and the body of believers known as the church. These are those who have trusted in Jesus Christ as their personal savior and have received eternal life. In the New Testament, Christ, the Bridegroom, has sacrificially and lovingly chosen the church to be His bride (Ephesians 5:25-27). Just as there was a betrothal period in biblical times during which the bride and groom were separated until the wedding, so is the bride of Christ separate from her Bridegroom during the church age. Her responsibility during the betrothal period is to be faithful to Him (2 Corinthians 11:2; Ephesians 5:24). At the Second Coming of Christ, the church will be united with the Bridegroom, the official "wedding ceremony" will take place and, with it, the eternal union of Christ and His bride will be actualized (Revelation 19:7-9; 21:1-2).

At that time, all believers will inhabit the heavenly city known as New Jerusalem, also called “the holy city” in Revelation 21:2 and 10. The New Jerusalem is not the church, but it takes on the church’s characteristics. In his vision of the end of the age, the Apostle John sees the city coming down from heaven adorned “as a bride,” meaning that the inhabitants of the city, the redeemed of the Lord, will be holy and pure, wearing white garments of holiness and righteousness. Some have misinterpreted verse 9 to mean the holy city is the bride of Christ, but that cannot be because Christ died for His people, not for a city. The city is called the bride because it encompasses all who are the bride, just as all the students of a school are sometimes called “the school.”

As believers in Jesus Christ, we who are the bride of Christ wait with great anticipation for the day when we will be united with our Bridegroom. Until then, we remain faithful to Him and say with all the redeemed of the Lord, “Come, Lord Jesus!” (Revelation 22:20).

 

[bekakimonkey]

"And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd" (John 10:16)

 

[annier]

I think the verses I quoted earlier make it clear that the Church is the bride.

2Cor 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
2Cor 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Plus, Eve was taken from Adams body (rib) and became his bride. So even though we make up the body of Christ, I still think we are his bride.

This is from gotquestions.org

Question: "What does it mean that the church is the bride of Christ?"

Answer: The imagery and symbolism of marriage is applied to Christ and the body of believers known as the church. These are those who have trusted in Jesus Christ as their personal savior and have received eternal life. In the New Testament, Christ, the Bridegroom, has sacrificially and lovingly chosen the church to be His bride (Ephesians 5:25-27). Just as there was a betrothal period in biblical times during which the bride and groom were separated until the wedding, so is the bride of Christ separate from her Bridegroom during the church age. Her responsibility during the betrothal period is to be faithful to Him (2 Corinthians 11:2; Ephesians 5:24). At the Second Coming of Christ, the church will be united with the Bridegroom, the official "wedding ceremony" will take place and, with it, the eternal union of Christ and His bride will be actualized (Revelation 19:7-9; 21:1-2).

At that time, all believers will inhabit the heavenly city known as New Jerusalem, also called “the holy city” in Revelation 21:2 and 10. The New Jerusalem is not the church, but it takes on the church’s characteristics. In his vision of the end of the age, the Apostle John sees the city coming down from heaven adorned “as a bride,” meaning that the inhabitants of the city, the redeemed of the Lord, will be holy and pure, wearing white garments of holiness and righteousness. Some have misinterpreted verse 9 to mean the holy city is the bride of Christ, but that cannot be because Christ died for His people, not for a city. The city is called the bride because it encompasses all who are the bride, just as all the students of a school are sometimes called “the school.”

As believers in Jesus Christ, we who are the bride of Christ wait with great anticipation for the day when we will be united with our Bridegroom. Until then, we remain faithful to Him and say with all the redeemed of the Lord, “Come, Lord Jesus!” (Revelation 22:20).

I think the bride analogies speaks of producing children. The Church is the body which brings forth his children. There are many ways in which Christ spoke of producing fruit. whether of husband and wife, or trees etc.

 

[Dispy]

Christophercbm
Dan p
Bro in Christ
Dispy
Joe Gath



I agree that Christ Jesus our risen Lord is the Head of the Church which is His Body: that we are members of His Body, and not 'the Bride.'

The term 'The Bride of Christ' is not found anywhere in Scripture, yet it is used so generally among Christians, isn't it?

'The Bride, the Lamb's wife' - Rev.21:9 - This is explained as 'The Holy Jerusalem descending out of heaven from God' - it is described in detail. This is the city for which Abraham looked, isn't it?
The twelve apostles are mentioned in relation to the Bride, for they will sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel (Matt. 19:28) during the 1,000 year reign.

* Those who inhabit this city will be the 'Overcomers', who like Abraham 'Overcame' in his generation, similarly, the believing remnant, who overcame during the Acts period. and those who take part in the first resurrection, spoken of in Rev. 20:5,6.

This is worth spending more time on, when time allows.

In Christ Jesus
Wings

The Church, the Body of Christ, cannot be found in the book of the Revelation.

When The Church, the Body of Christ, is raptured it will be in heaven "...to ever be with the Lord." The marriage supper of the Lam will be on the earth.

 

[Jig]

Israel: The Wife of Yahweh

 

[Jig]

The Church: The Bride of the Messiah





Click to enlarge. This was an appendix in Dr. Fruchtenbaum's book "Footsteps of the Messiah".

Fruchtenbaum, Arnold G. The Footsteps of the Messiah: A Study of the Sequence of Prophetic Events. Rev. ed. Tustin, CA: Ariel Ministries, 2003.