Twelve Reasons Against a Ban on Homosexual Marriages

[ToddNotTodd]

Actually, it's not the act, for the last time. I don't care about the act. That's your problem. Your time is coming and that right quick.

I'm more interested in the agenda, the lies and the controversies. I'm interested in attaining knowledge about any subject, law and computers in particular. I just wrapped up one very successful case today and have two more underway. This interest in the agenda was triggered in my mind due to all the hogwash I saw being posted in here. I knew it sounded like a line of garbage from the very first time I read it, and I set out to prove it for myself.

Interestingly, I was right. There's plenty of evidence of that stemming directly from homosexuals mouths that actually know what they are talking about and other schooled individuals with actual credentials.

As long as the rubbish and psychological terrorism continues on this board, there will always be a good application for it.

And hai, it gives me something to do when I'm bored.

Even if there WERE a "gay agenda", that really doesn't have any bearing on whether we should logically permit same-sex marriages, unless you believe that all homosexuals are part of this conspiracy, and that somehow makes them dangerous to heterosexuals.

 

[Christi]

Jesus Christ is the Way and the Truth and the Light. He spoke nothing of homosexuals while He was here. He DID speak of many things, that I have to believe were the most important to Him. I think we, who use His name, ought to focus on what He thought was important. Total surrender. Not just narrowing in, and focusing in, on one particular sin that there is not danger you will have....or that you're terrified you kinda want to do. He spoke the most of REAL love for God, and REAL love for each other. I really think He's wanting a revival amongst us. I'm not gonna be around much anymore to lecture you guys, but read HIS words, please. Learn what HE is all about. It's not being nasty to each other. It's not being mean.

 

[Firscherscherling]

Actually, it's not the act, for the last time. I don't care about the act. That's your problem. Your time is coming and that right quick.

I'm more interested in the agenda, the lies and the controversies. I'm interested in attaining knowledge about any subject, law and computers in particular. I just wrapped up one very successful case today and have two more underway. This interest in the agenda was triggered in my mind due to all the hogwash I saw being posted in here. I knew it sounded like a line of garbage from the very first time I read it, and I set out to prove it for myself.

Interestingly, I was right. There's plenty of evidence of that stemming directly from homosexuals mouths that actually know what they are talking about and other schooled individuals with actual credentials.

As long as the rubbish and psychological terrorism continues on this board, there will always be a good application for it.

And hai, it gives me something to do when I'm bored.

But that's what it all goes back to isn't it? Some people think it is OK for two men to have a sexual relationship, some don't. Those positions have lead many to build huge arguments for and against it, for and against the recognition of it, for and against the tolerance of it.

No matter how broad the brush, reality always brings one back to the same hard fact. It is about the act. That is all it is about. The act. And that is what fuels the obsession. And sitting at ones desk reading about gay issues, gay sex, gay law, gay studies and the like, all in an effort to post on a message board about gay issues is indeed an obsession with the act

 

[SirKenin]

But that's what it all goes back to isn't it? Some people think it is OK for two men to have a sexual relationship, some don't. Those positions have lead many to build huge arguments for and against it, for and against the recognition of it, for and against the tolerance of it.

No matter how broad the brush, reality always brings one back to the same hard fact. It is about the act. That is all it is about. The act. And that is what fuels the obsession. And sitting at ones desk reading about gay issues, gay sex, gay law, gay studies and the like, all in an effort to post on a message board about gay issues is indeed an obsession with the act

You twist my words to try and make a point. I gave you the facts of why I do what I do and you purposely ignore them or twist them. That is not demonstrative of wisdom. I don't read about gay sex. Seeing as how that was the only point holding your argument together, I guess you don't have one.

However, is that what's going to make you sleep at night? Then you go ahead and live in your own little world.

To further show how far off base you are (well, way off in deep left field actually), my interest and practice in law is in family, tenant protection and civil law.

 

[Firscherscherling]

I don't read about gay sex. Nice try. I've got to hand you something for your effort.

Is that what's going to make you sleep at night? Then you go ahead and live in your own little fantasy world.

It seems that the fantasy world is one where people spend endless hours studying gay sex, obsessed with it to the point of building huge conspiracy theoreis about it.

But I ask you. What then is the root of it? If it isn't sex between two men, what is it? Stack all your cards on top of it and try to obscure it if you want. But I'll knock them off and show you what you are really worried about. It all goes back to the same thing. Are you really going to attach the word homosexual to something and then try and say it isn't about homosexuality? How sad...

Sounds like you need to figure out who runds the evil agenda, because it seems you are denying it is homosexuals.

 

[SirKenin]

[noflame]

 

[keithylishus]

Personally, I feel that anyone who would choose to argue with such an explicit and strict passage has their own agenda and isn't looking to truly discover what the Bible says.

To be honest, this is the sort of spiel people always get when they talk about verses like this. When the context is inserted to prove that Paul was talking about Pagan acts in temples, I either get, "You are trying to justify your sin", "you are not reading the verse", or "I am right so you are wrong". No-one has ever challenged the context most liberal Christians and scholars try to make them understand. That's because they can't challenge it.

That's a possibility. Make everything civil unions, have the churches call them "marriages."

Precisely what I think. That way gays and straights can still get married in their churches, and still get the same rights, without being "separate but equal".

Seen as a civil rights issue by who? Gay rights activists, certainly. As for the rest of us...it's only a civil rights issue if enough people say it is. So my vote does count.

It certainly is a civil rights issue. I'll put it very simply.

Straight men and women can marry according to their sexual orientation, and receive special rights for it. Gay men and women can't marry according to their sexual orientation at all. Why should heterosexuals and their partners receive special rights for being heterosexual?

This kind of logic is akin to suggesting that a bridge with weak foundations just needs another swift blow to its base to be fixed. Gay marriage would NOT help the sorry state of marriage, if anything it would only move it further away from what the basics of marriage have always been; a father figure and a mother figure coming together to make a stable home for a family. I believe this issue is far more about acceptance in society than it is about gaining titles.

I think your definition of what "marriage has always been" is very wrong. I suggest researching the history of marriage. It's been changed countless times before. The biggest recent change was 50 years ago, when marriage was no longer defined as "one man and one woman of the same race".

I think gay people pushing for their rights to marry shows what marriage is about now. What you heterosexuals have to do, is fix the mess you've made of it. As soon as the divorce rates lower to almost non-existant levels, then I might start listening to heterosexuals and their opinions on marriage.

I think that I can speak for all the gay members on this board, when I say we really don't care if society accepts us or not. After all, it is all the way on page 10 of The Gay Agenda (2004 edition).

 

[Paula]

Jesus Christ is the Way and the Truth and the Light. He spoke nothing of homosexuals while He was here. He DID speak of many things, that I have to believe were the most important to Him. I think we, who use His name, ought to focus on what He thought was important. Total surrender. Not just narrowing in, and focusing in, on one particular sin that there is not danger you will have....or that you're terrified you kinda want to do. He spoke the most of REAL love for God, and REAL love for each other. I really think He's wanting a revival amongst us. I'm not gonna be around much anymore to lecture you guys, but read HIS words, please. Learn what HE is all about. It's not being nasty to each other. It's not being mean.

This brings to mind the time when the Lord was being judged unfairly and was called a hypocrite for breaking Jewish Law on the Sabbath. His response was to teach about judgments themselves and how to make them fairly. So, in this case, perhaps Jesus would actually say, "Judge not according to appearance, but judge righteous judgment." (John 7:24)

It is not uncommon for the guilty not to want people to judge them. The type of judgment that is condemned is the harsh, bitter, fault-finding type which points out other's sins while committing the exact, same ones. However, given the example of John 7, in making judgments, we must always remember the limitations of our view of others. That what appears may not actually be the case. We must try to look beyond the external shell and seek out the eternal ends, and then we may be able to judge ourselves and others, not according to appearance, but to judge with righteous judgment.

 

[theeyesoftammyfaye]

My time is worth $50.00 an hour to me. I get it all day long, so I think it can be better spent than trying to continuously trying to correct someone who mumbles the same thing over and over again.

that's the most arrogant statement i've seen in CF in a long time...and you know what my mama said about people who talk about money: they don't have any.

 

[SirKenin]

Straight men and women can marry according to their sexual orientation, and receive special rights for it. Gay men and women can't marry according to their sexual orientation at all. Why should heterosexuals and their partners receive special rights for being heterosexual?

What do you have to offer to the growth of the country and the broadening of it's tax base besides absolutely nothing. Anything that you can't offer without being married?

Exactly

Then why should I shoulder the burden of your evolutionary dead-end behaviour? Why should the corporate sector shoulder the burden? They shouldn't.

Keep your act in your bedroom and and your hands out of our wallets.

 

[mpshiel]

I am getting a strange feeling of deja vu.

Am I reliving yesterday?

Cool!

 

[SirKenin]

that's the most arrogant statement i've seen in CF in a long time...and you know what my mama said about people who talk about money: they don't have any.

I guess you're just going to have to deal with it, aren't you? And good for your mama.

Here is the one and only piece of wisdom I'm ever going to give you in your life. It's up to you what you do with it, but listen carefully.

The key to success is knowing the value of time.

Enjoy.

 

[SirKenin]

I am getting a strange feeling of deja vu.

Am I reliving yesterday?

Cool!

Have you ever talked to someone,
And you feel you know what's coming next?
It feels pre - arranged.
'Cause you know that you've heard it before,
And you feel that this moment in time is surreal,
'Cause you know when you feel deja - vu.

- Iron Maiden

 

[TomUK]

I'd like to thank the original user who posted the article. It really has made my day! It's absolutely hilarious . Personally i'm against gay marriages. However, i realise that there is a huge debate going on about it and both sides are making some good points. I'm assuming that you posted the article in support of gay marriages, but i really don't think it has helped your case at all. Have a debate by all means, but badly written trash such has that doesn't really have any place in such discussions.

PS: this is not a responce to anyones reply to the original message, as i have only read the first message

 

[keithylishus]

What do you have to offer to the growth of the country and the broadening of it's tax base besides absolutely nothing. Anything that you can't offer without being married?

Children raised in a marriage who will benefit society. Paying taxes to fund government. Having a job and teaching the next generation (as I want to be a Chemistry teacher). I have lots to offer the world. My abilities aren't hindered by my sexual orientation. It just means I have to work harder to reach them, which makes them all the more worthwhile

Then why should I shoulder the burden of your evolutionary dead-end behaviour? Why should the corporate sector shoulder the burden? They shouldn't.

Why should they fund your behaviour? What can you do that I can't?

Keep your act in your bedroom and and your hands out of my wallet.

Act?

 

[theeyesoftammyfaye]

The key to success is knowing the value of time.

i've learned that it is 50$ per hour (canadian? then that would be 37$ us per hour)

and now my advice: arrogance is a very unattractive trait. especially when its arrogance without backing substance.

 

[SirKenin]

i've learned that it is 50$ per hour (canadian? then that would be 37$ us per hour)

and now my advice: arrogance is a very unattractive trait. especially when its arrogance without backing substance.

Now, here's what's wrong with your advice.

Your advice is unsubstantiated. Your advice has no basis in fact. Allow me to expand on this.

I'm not proud. Just because I can hold my own, I know the value of my time, I'm smart, I'm well educated, I get the job done and I'm labelled as "brilliant" by my family, friends and associates (although sometimes quite mad.. lol. I profess to be mad, but not necessarily brilliant, although the illness that I have is termed "a brilliant madness" for good reason) does not make me proud. That merely gives me reason to be confident and thankful to an almighty God that has given me the gifts that I have. I am humble before Him and desire to use them to the best of my ability and serve Him instead of serving myself like I have been. Now to work on my delivery.

Here's the last thing wrong with your advice.

Unlike the homosexuals and their sympathizers which merely present bleeding heart sonatas, mind games and sensationalist, factless drivel, I present my case with facts and many references to back it up on a conistent basis. This is to allow all that read to walk the same path I have and see from what I have drawn my conclusions.

I can speak with confidence because I've researched it and I know what I'm talking about. That's not arrogance (pride), that's confidence. There's a difference. That's confidence with backing substance.

I really don't need your worldly advice as you can see. I appreciate your evident effort to help, however.

I will say this... What you perceive as arrogance is confidence delivered with a lack of diplomacy.

Anyways... That's entirely enough time spent on that concept.

 

[theeyesoftammyfaye]

"my time is worth 50 bucks an hour"

check yourself. THATS arrogance. it's fabulous you're labeled brilliant by your friends and family and associates. it's fabulous you know your time is worth 50$ (us 37$) per hour. the fact that you feel the need to tell us both of these facts speaks volumes about you.

 

[Blessed75]

*Fake Mod Hat ON* - just to make Susan's life easier - that's twice POLY!

Can we stay ON TOPIC??

*Fake Mod Hat Off* - Thanks!

 

[SirKenin]

"my time is worth 50 bucks an hour"

check yourself. THATS arrogance. it's fabulous you're labeled brilliant by your friends and family and associates. it's fabulous you know your time is worth 50$ (us 37$) per hour. the fact that you feel the need to tell us both of these facts speaks volumes about you.

It's truth. It's fact. Nothing arrogant about it. The first is the reason I walked away. The second is a basis for my confidence and a necessary refutation of your unfounded accusation. Get over it. Move on with your life. Don't you have anything better to do? Didn't you leave the stove on? Is your mother calling you?

Why are you so incensed? Are you a moneyphobic? Perhaps you're heterophobic? You hatemonger. Arrogaphobic. Doc-hater. Stop being so discriminatory.

Would someone PLEASE think of the money?

Jealousy will get you nowhere.

* snickers

hahaha. ROFL. Sorry, but too funny. Oh man, what a day. What a day. Not even someone like this can bring me down off this natural high. That was a $25,000 day. w00t!!! To say I'm anything short of ecstatic would be an understatement.