Truths in Creationism? Weaknesses?

[InspiredHome]

I hate ferrets.

ooohkay then.

 

[Mistermystery]

nothing to say to my little rant Kof?

 

[InspiredHome]

nothing to say to my little rant Kof?

Bad day for me (I dont feel all that well)...I'll get back to you.

 

[Nathan Poe]

I hate ferrets.

*STOLEN MOD HAT ON*

RULE #1 (b) -- NO FLAMING, TROLLING, BAITING,
OR DISRESPECTING OF FERRETS!

(A little-known rule, but very important!)

*STOLEN MOD HAT OFF*

 

[InspiredHome]

*STOLEN MOD HAT ON*

RULE #1 (b) -- NO FLAMING, TROLLING, BAITING,
OR DISRESPECTING OF FERRETS!

(A little-known rule, but very important!)

*STOLEN MOD HAT OFF*

You're too cute. Don't let it go to your head.

 

[InspiredHome]

Like I said before: Science and God are compattible. There are scientists who believe in God, there are christians who believe in Evolution, etc etc. All prove that you can believe in God and still have "ties" with his first and most important creation: The world.

If you are saying that logic is a bit difficult for you, just re-read it again. I'm going to make an other logic jump here, so ferret with me: A God who is active meddeling supernaturally brings (for me) a problem on the subject of evil to the table. If God created suffering and could eliminate it without lifting a finger, it would mean that (for me) God suddenly becomes responsible for evil.

I also won't see why he again would go to all the trouble. He creates a giant Flood, makes it disapear and erases all tracks of it. It just doesn't make sense. On top of that he provides us with evidence against a global flood, so that would be doubly confusing. Why didn't he zap everything he wanted to kill out of exsistance? No he had to be doing all kinds of crazy loops and bend in all diffrent directions for... uh.. for what?

I can't think of an awnser on this question, and even I would go as far that even God can't think up one. Other then perhaps "I was bored and thought it was a really good idea at the time".

How can one trust anything if it could also have been made last tuesday by Iggy? It just doesn't make sense to take Iggy, God, brahmaputra, and all other known and unknown deities into account when you are dealing with science. Surely a scientist can believe in any deity, but since we can't test deities it's not really logical to take them into account, no matter how much you believe in them yourself.

That doesn't mean that God couldn't be responsible for evolution. Even someone like me MUST attest this.

The thing that really sticks out for me in the creation/evolution debate is the belief that God has a personal interest in our lives. According to the Christian belief, God sent His Son to live among us, and in the process experienced the vast array of human emotions, pain and sorrows. So the question is...why would a God who is so involved in our lives not directly create the universe and everything in it? Evolution is a process, an ongoing change. To those who believe in theistic evolution, it portrays a God who is hands off...instead letting the whole of creation come into being over a long period of time through processeses and randomness. The Bible says this about creation:

Hebrews 4
And yet his work has been finished since the creation of the world. 4For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: “And on the seventh day God rested from all his work.”[c]

John 1:3
3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

Colossians 1:16
16For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him.

These verses suggest that God was directly involved in the creation and that creation was set at one point in time and completed.

Read also Job 38
Psalm 8:3
Psalm 19:1
Psalm 33:6
Psalm 89:11
Psalm 102:25
Psalm 135:6
Psalm 136:5
Proverbs 8:27
Isaiah 40:26
Isaiah 42:5
Isaiah 44:24
Isaiah 45:12
Isaiah 45:18
Isaiah 48:13
Isaiah 51:13
Isaiah 51:16
Jeremiah 10:12-13


etc...it goes on!

 

[Nathan Poe]

You're too cute. Don't let it go to your head.

I don't do it for you, but for the ferrets. The key to the universe lies with them....somehow...

 

[raphael_aa]

The thing that really sticks out for me in the creation/evolution debate is the belief that God has a personal interest in our lives. According to the Christian belief, God sent His Son to live among us, and in the process experienced the vast array of human emotions, pain and sorrows. So the question is...why would a God who is so involved in our lives not directly create the universe and everything in it? Evolution is a process, an ongoing change. To those who believe in theistic evolution, it portrays a God who is hands off...instead letting the whole of creation come into being over a long period of time through processeses and randomness.

I can understand that but I think its based on a faulty view of God who stands off apart from His creation. God is certainly transcendant. But He is also immanent. It is God 'in whom we move and have our being'. God is intimately at work in the process of evolution, in physical law. God lives through each aspect of the creation. This is not some benign clockmaker, but an organic, green God inhabiting blood and spit. The incarnation is to me the supreme vindication of this view of God, a God who celebrates in the creativity of natural processes.

 

[gluadys]

I can understand that but I think its based on a faulty view of God who stands off apart from His creation. God is certainly transcendant. But He is also immanent. It is God 'in whom we move and have our being'. God is intimately at work in the process of evolution, in physical law. God lives through each aspect of the creation. This is not some benign clockmaker, but an organic, green God inhabiting blood and spit. The incarnation is to me the supreme vindication of this view of God, a God who celebrates in the creativity of natural processes.

Kudos!

 

[Oncedeceived]

Amen to that!!!!

 

[Mistermystery]

The thing that really sticks out for me in the creation/evolution debate is the belief that God has a personal interest in our lives. According to the Christian belief, God sent His Son to live among us, and in the process experienced the vast array of human emotions, pain and sorrows. So the question is...why would a God who is so involved in our lives not directly create the universe and everything in it?

What if He did? what if He used the most smallest of time (planck time) and arranged everything to be created. Or what if he created all the laws in the world and used them to let us be created?

I don't see what the problem is for Christianity, or any other belief. God created the world useing the big bang, and created us using evolution as his tool. So what? What's the problem again? I find that to be a more comforting God then a God who likes to throw clues all over the place, then swiftly re-arange them, and when I get to heaven yells "gotcha" at me.

God who uses evolution as a tool, who guides us, and let's us keep a connection at some fundamental level with each and every living thing on the planet, is most impressing and awe-inspireing if you ask me.

1Thessalonians 5:²¹ says: "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." While we are never 100% able to prove everything (because we simply can't) it is clear to me that God wants me to use His greatest gift: my brain. I look around me, and see things that immediatly invalidate some other people's claims (like that the Earth is young, or that evolution doesn't happen). I can't help it. It's just how it is.