Truths in Creationism? Weaknesses?

[InspiredHome]

What, if any, truths are found in the "science" of creationism (i.e. finds in science that are plausible and acceptable) from those who believe in evolution? **common ground**

What are the weaknesses for the same?


Hugs and ferrets!

 

[raphael_aa]

At the risk of being hard-hearted I don't think there is any truth in creation 'science'. I think the creation story in Genisis conveys a great deal of truth in a mythical, spiritual and allegorical way. I think we demean that kind of truth when we insist it has to be historical to be any good.

 

[Wani]

On the other hand, if you take the first chapter of Genesis less literally, it quite well matches how science states the world was made.

 

[JohnR7]

What, if any, truths are found in the "science" of creationism

There are lots of truths and science would be shipwrecked without them. One truth is that Adam was a historical person that lived about 6000 years ago. DNA evidence has mostly confirmed this to be true. To be more exact they have confirmed that Abraham or a person that lived at the same place and time as Abraham is a common ancestor for all Hebrew and Muslim people. Also, they have confirmed that there is a more distant common ancestor for the Hebrew people going back further than Abraham.

 

[DHA]

What, if any, truths are found in the "science" of creationism (i.e. finds in science that are plausible and acceptable) from those who believe in evolution? **common ground**

What are the weaknesses for the same?


Hugs and ferrets!

There seems a remarkable hubris in the creation-science and ID movement.
If they being human can recognize God's work, have they not put themselves on a level with God.

 

[ForeRunner]

There are lots of truths and science would be shipwrecked without them. One truth is that Adam was a historical person that lived about 6000 years ago. DNA evidence has mostly confirmed this to be true. To be more exact they have confirmed that Abraham or a person that lived at the same place and time as Abraham is a common ancestor for all Hebrew and Muslim people. Also, they have confirmed that there is a more distant common ancestor for the Hebrew people going back further than Abraham.

John, you have repeatedly told and shown that this is not true. It is a lie. Lies make baby Jesus cry.

 

[DHA]

There are lots of truths and science would be shipwrecked without them. One truth is that Adam was a historical person that lived about 6000 years ago. DNA evidence has mostly confirmed this to be true. To be more exact they have confirmed that Abraham or a person that lived at the same place and time as Abraham is a common ancestor for all Hebrew and Muslim people. Also, they have confirmed that there is a more distant common ancestor for the Hebrew people going back further than Abraham.

How can there be historical records in prehistory?

Have you a link for the DNA .

Who is they? I have always wondered who they were.

 

[Oncedeceived]

On the other hand, if you take the first chapter of Genesis less literally, it quite well matches how science states the world was made.

Exactly and this was written long before fossil records were even known, before anyone knew the universe had a beginning and that man didn't arrive on the scene with or before the rest of creation.

 

[JohnR7]

How can there be historical records in prehistory?

They are not prehistory. History began with Adam and Eve. They use to have the genealogies but they were destroyed when the temple was burned and tore down in Jerusalem in 70 ad. Although we still have a copy of some of them in our Bible today. It does not matter though, becasue as it turns out there is a record of them also in everyones DNA. I believe the day will come when they will be able to map out the genealogies for the whole human race from the beginning.

Have you a link for the DNA .

Just run a google search using keywords like Abraham, DNA, Hebrew. There has been a lot of research done on this one.

 

[The Lady Kate]

There are lots of truths and science would be shipwrecked without them. One truth is that Adam was a historical person that lived about 6000 years ago. DNA evidence has mostly confirmed this to be true.

A source would be nice....

To be more exact they have confirmed that Abraham or a person that lived at the same place and time as Abraham is a common ancestor for all Hebrew and Muslim people.

Who exactly are "they?"

Also, they have confirmed that there is a more distant common ancestor for the Hebrew people going back further than Abraham.

A lot further back than 6,000 years, IIRC.

 

[rmwilliamsll]

There are lots of truths and science would be shipwrecked without them. One truth is that Adam was a historical person that lived about 6000 years ago. DNA evidence has mostly confirmed this to be true. To be more exact they have confirmed that Abraham or a person that lived at the same place and time as Abraham is a common ancestor for all Hebrew and Muslim people. Also, they have confirmed that there is a more distant common ancestor for the Hebrew people going back further than Abraham.

would you post some references for these contentions?

i am aware of the search for eve:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/genes/dna_detectives/adam_and_eve/index.shtml
but she is dated to 150K

i am aware of a lot of work on markers on the y:
the most interesting is the cohen-levi markers-
http://www.cohen-levi.org/jewish_genes_and_genealogy/the_dna_chain_of_tradition.htm

but i am simply unaware of any data supporting you in these thoughts.

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[Green Man]

What, if any, truths are found in the "science" of creationism (i.e. finds in science that are plausible and acceptable) from those who believe in evolution? **common ground**

What are the weaknesses for the same?


Hugs and ferrets!

There is no science in creationism.Creationism is a falacy,a myth with absolutely no truth to it whatsoever.

 

[Oncedeceived]

There is no science in creationism.Creationism is a falacy,a myth with absolutely no truth to it whatsoever.

Do you mean Creationism as a Science or just Creationism?

 

[InspiredHome]

There is no science in creationism.Creationism is a falacy,a myth with absolutely no truth to it whatsoever.

Can you prove that to be absolute?

 

[Mistermystery]

Can you prove that to be absolute?

Science is a process that is done through observation of natural phenomena, and/or through experimentation that tries to simulate natural processes under controlled conditions. Since creationism has got to rely on magicks (or God, or whatever) which are untestable, aren't observed, and can't be even remotely sensed, creationism is absolutly not really a science.

I'm also not saying that creationism itself is 100% not possible, but every currently availible piece of evidence tells us that it has not happend.

To recap: Creationism is not science. (the act of a creator on a sudden impulse according EXACTLY to Genesis) could be true, but is as far as we have all pieces of imformation in front of us it simply can not. Creationism has therefor been falsified.

 

[staugustine68]

Many evolutionists childe creationists not because of the facts, but because creationists rufuse to play by the current rules of the game that excludes supernatural creation a priori. A game quoted by the evolutionary biologist Richard Dickerson.

In practice, the "game" is extended to trying to explain not just the behavior, but the origin of everything without the supernatural.

 

[staugustine68]

Science is a process that is done through observation of natural phenomena, and/or through experimentation that tries to simulate natural processes under controlled conditions. Since creationism has got to rely on magicks (or God, or whatever) which are untestable, aren't observed, and can't be even remotely sensed, creationism is absolutly not really a science.

I'm also not saying that creationism itself is 100% not possible, but every currently availible piece of evidence tells us that it has not happend.

To recap: Creationism is not science. (the act of a creator on a sudden impulse according EXACTLY to Genesis) could be true, but is as far as we have all pieces of imformation in front of us it simply can not. Creationism has therefor been falsified.

God created everything in it's present form over the course of six days, Genesis really does teach six day creation of basic kinds, which contradicts evolution, therefore, most evolution text is indeed claiming that evolution conflicts with Genesis, and thus with Biblical Christianity, although they usually deny that they are "attacking" religion.

 

[InspiredHome]

So everything is falsified if it lies outside the natural law?

 

[corvus_corax]

God created everything in it's present form over the course of six days, Genesis really does teach six day creation of basic kinds, which contradicts evolution,

So what?
The Sumerian creation myth doesnt match up to scientific fact either.
What's your point?

therefore, most evolution text is indeed claiming that evolution conflicts with Genesis

Really? Hmmm thats odd. During my high school days, when I was learning about evolution, the text in the books made no claim regarding creationism. Perhaps you're reading too much into it?

and thus with Biblical Christianity, although they usually deny that they are "attacking" religion.

Yeah, because its sooooooooo obvious to everyone that presenting testable verifiable fact is always an intentional, preplanned, thought out attack on religion.
Whatever.

 

[InspiredHome]

Yeah, because its sooooooooo obvious to everyone that presenting testable verifiable fact is always an intentional, preplanned, thought out attack on religion.
Whatever.

I know your kind...sitting there strategizing, contemplating and consipiring. I know ALL about it.