Truth on the doctrine of Hell, the just reality of absolute eternal torment (updated verses)

[Cockcrow]

Biblical Facts about Hell:

• place of eternal fire and wrath not annihilation (Matthew 25:41, Mark 9:43, Luke 12:5, John 3:36, John 5:29, John 15:6, Jude 1:7, Revelation 14:11, Revelation 20:15, Matthew 18:9 Matthew 13:41-42, Deuteronomy 32:22, Lamentations 4:11)
• eternal torment, absolutely no end and it is immediate after last breath (Luke 16:23-24, Matthew 25:46, Daniel 12:1-2)
• you will be fully conscious and retain memories of your life on Earth (Luke 16:25)
• most will be in Hell, few in heaven (Matthew 7:13-14, Matthew 22:14, 1 Peter 4:18, Luke 13:23-24)
• you will burn (Isaiah 33:14, Hebrews 12:29)
  
• fire and brimstone (Psalms 11:6, Revelation 14:10, Revelation 21:8, Revelation 20:10)
• your worm will never die, there will be no end to the torment (Isaiah 66:24, Mark 9:44)
• will be weeping, wailing, gnashing of teeth (Luke 13:28, Matthew 8:12, Matthew 13:42, Matthew 13:50, Matthew 25:41, Psalms 112:10)
• described as eternal damnation (Matthew 23:33, Mark 3:29 KJV)
  
• everyone who is sent there deserves it (Romans 2:6-8, Exodus 32:34, Job 34:11, Psalms 62:12, Proverbs 24:12, Ecclesiastes 3:17, Jeremiah 17:10
• described as a pit that swallows people up, enlarges itself (Numbers 16:30, Psalms 21:9, Isaiah 5:14)
• the wicked will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: (Revelation 14:10)
• God laughs at the wicked (Psalms 37:13-15, Psalms 2:4, Psalms 59:8)
• The wicked will get what they deserve, Hell is pure justice (Romans 2:6-8, Romans 12:19)
• The saints in Heaven shall Rejoice at the wicked being justly tormented, and they will see that it is good (Revelation 18:20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.)
• there is no salvation in Hell (2 Thessalonians 1:9, Psalms 119:155)
• It is located in the heart of the Earth (Matthew 12:40, Ephesians 4:9)
• outer darkness (Matthew 8:12, Jude 13)
• there will be self professed Christians in Hell (Matthew 7:21-23)
• Teachers will be judged more strictly (James 3:1)

Some like to say that Hell is "separation from God" you hear this all the time now and people falsely describe this separation as the absolute worst torment of them all, but this is false and completely unbiblical. Revelation 14:10 completely refutes this and while it is true that you will be separated from Gods grace and love, (there is no chance for mercy beyond the grave) you will not be separated from his wrath, and separation from God is likely the last thing you will think about as you're burning and being tormented for eternity. Those in Heaven will rejoice at the justice that is served to the wicked (Revelation 18:20)

I know this is a unpopular biblical truth that some may consider controversial, and I know that most who you will try to confront today about the reality of Hell will deny or laugh it off, but this is urgent and there are those who really need to hear this message: the doctrine of Hell is under attack today, people lie and say that Hell is a party, or it doesn't exist, but Hell is real just as much as Jesus is real, Jesus talked about Hell more than anyone in the Bible.

Thank you Jesus, the lamb slain from the foundation of the world, the son of God, whom I fear yet respect. I fear the torments of Hell that I fully deserve and realize that you are the only way to salvation, there is no other way, only through you can anyone be saved, you hold the keys of death and hell, you are merciful and just, righteous always, perfect and holy, you died to save sinners from the absolute horrors of hell and wrath of God and deserve all worship and love always and forever, you will have mercy on whoever you choose, and are 100% just and righteous blessed is your name, the name above all names, Jesus Christ our Lord.

 

[sandman]

Biblical Facts about Hell:

You do a great job of going through the scripture and if we go with the English translation it would be fitting ....but we can't. We have to go into the meaning(s) of the Greek and Hebrew in effort to get a greater understanding of he double hocky stick.


Through religion.... its deception and fear motivation we have adapted the meaning, which the Greeks have put upon this word (hell), making it synonymous in definition with “sheol”, “hades”, “gehenna”, “katakaio”, and “tartaros”… as being that of eternal torment. Those are the words used that have been translated into our one English word for hell; they are not the same.


The word “hades” from the Greek was used as a counterpart to the Hebrew word “sheol” and is more accurately defined as a state rather than a place.


Gravedom is a word coined by E W Bullinger, and is a great word for hell; it is the state, reign or time of being in the grave. I am not talking about the grave itself which employs the Greek word (qeber). I am speaking of the time when one takes his last breath, until the return of our savior Jesus Christ…..when he returns, first, for the Church of the Body, and later when He returns as King of Kings

We must disregard the meaning that is placed on the word hell today. The Bibles’ definition is; “the state of being when one dies,” it’s a continuing state until the resurrection.” That’s it ….it is that simple, and that defined in the Bible.


Sheol (Hebrew) Old Testament and Hades (Greek) New Testament are basically the two words, both meaning grave or gravedom.

Sheol is translated grave 31 times, hell 31 times, and pit 3 times.

Hades is translated hell 10, times and grave 1 time.


Interpreters Dictionary of the Bible (1962 vol. 1 p788) states

“The English word hell has taken on the mythological Greek meaning associated with the pagan idea of an underworld where the dead continue to live on in torment.”


The standard for truth in defining words has got to come from the Bible itself, not from the meaning (s) attached to it, which is where the confusion comes in.


Short version:
In Greek mythology Hades was the god of the underworld and his name came to represent this fictitious place that we understand as Hell. The Septuagint was a second century B.C. Greek translation of the Old Testament, and in it the word Hades was chosen as the counterpart to the Hebrew “Sheol”.

As is done with “Sheol”, many English versions of the Bible erroneously translate the Greek word “Hades” as hell rather than grave.

(As E. W. Bullinger states “The Old Testament is the fountain-head of the Hebrew language. It has no literature behind it. But the case is entirely different with the Greek language. The Hebrew word “Sheol” is divine in its origin and usage. The Greek “Hades” is human in its nature and come down laden with centuries of development, in which it has acquired new senses, meaning and usages.”


NOWHERE in the Old Testament is the abode of the dead regarded as a place of punishment or torment. The concept of an infernal “hell” developed in Israel only during the Hellenistic period.
As believers we must use the Words interpretation of itself, to define words within the Bible.

Clearly there is no justification to the eternal torment, which has been propounded throughout Christendom today. Whether we translate it or transliterate it, we must give it the meaning that God purposed; everything else outside the Word of God must be discarded.


John 3:16
16. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

The word “perish” Gr: (apollymi) means to utterly destroy; annihilate. That’s what happens to those who reject Jesus Christ and all those previous to the Grace administration who were evil and rejected God…..


It’s not eternal torment ….it is ➡ total consuming.

“Gehenna” (geenna) A Greek word for the Hebrew “valley of Hinnom” which was a city dump outside of Jerusalem.

When Christ would address this, He was illustrating that garbage thrown into the gehenna would be burned up. No one listening to Jesus would believe that that the garbage would continue to exist in the fire ….without being consumed. This is the place of everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord spoken of in 2Th 1:9 ….It refers to the fire of judgment in which the wicked will one day be consumed. It is called “the lake of fire” in the book of Revelation where fire will bring the ultimate annihilation of the devil and his hosts.


The last two words translated hell are Katakaio and Tartarous.

“Katakaio” is used in Hebrews 13:11 regarding the sacrificial beasts that were burned outside the camp.
11.For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp.

This same word is used in Matthew 3:12
12. Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.


Neither Chaff nor beasts burn forever, they burn up and are gone …

“Tartarous” is used once and translated hell in II Peter 2:4 it refers to the place of imprisoned evil sprits ……not a place of torment for sinners.
4.For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment.

 

[Jonaitis]

My question is where would this place be, not that such detail matters. Obviously, we are looking forward for a new earth after the resurrection of our bodies, where sin and death and disease are eradicated. However, there is little information as to the location and physical description of Hell. "Fire" and "Darkness" are metaphors of the nature of that place, but it does not explain what sort of place it will be in person.

 

[RickReads]

Biblical Facts about Hell:

• place of eternal fire not annihilation (Luke 16:21, Matthew 25:41, Mark 9:43, Jude 1:7, Revelation 14:11, Revelation 20:15)
• eternal torment, absolutely no end (Luke 16:23-24, Luke 16:28)
• you will be fully conscious and retain memories of your life on Earth (Luke 16:25)
• God laughs at the wicked (Psalms 37:13-15)
• The wicked will get what they deserve, Hell is pure justice (Romans 2:6-8, Romans 12:19)
• The saints in Heaven shall Rejoice at the wicked being justly tormented, and they will see that it is good (Revelation 18:20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.)
• the wicked will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: (Revelation 14:10)
• you will burn (Isaiah 33:14)
• your worm will never die, there will be no end to the torment (Isaiah 66:24, Mark 9:44)
• will be weeping, wailing, gnashing of teeth (Psalm 112:10, Matthew 8:12, Matthew 13:42, Matthew 15:30)
• there is no salvation in Hell (2 Thessalonians 1:9)
• described as eternal damnation (Mark 3:29)
• everyone who is sent there deserves it (Romans 2:6-8)
• It is located under the Earth (Matthew 12:40, Ephesians 4:9)
• described as a pit that swallows people up, enlarges itself everyday (Numbers 16:22-23)
• outer darkness (Matthew 8:12)
• most will be in Hell, few in heaven (Matthew 7:13-14, Deuteronomy 28:62, Luke 13:23-24)
• there will be self professed Christians in Hell (Matthew 7:21-23)
• Teachers will be judged more strictly (James 3:1)

Some like to say that Hell is "separation from God" you hear this all the time now and people falsely describe this separation as the absolute worst torment of them all, but this is false and completely unbiblical. Revelation 14:10 completely refutes this and while it is true that you will be separated from Gods grace and love, (there is no chance for mercy beyond the grave) you will not be separated from his wrath, and separation from God is likely the last thing you will think about as you're burning and being tormented for eternity. Those in Heaven will rejoice at the justice that is served to the wicked (Revelation 18:20)

I know this is a unpopular biblical truth that some may consider controversial, and I know that most who you will try to confront today about the reality of Hell will deny or laugh it off, but this is urgent and there are those who really need to hear this message: the doctrine of Hell is under attack today, people lie and say that Hell is a party, or it doesn't exist, but Hell is real just as much as Jesus is real, Jesus talked about Hell more than anyone in the Bible.

Thank you Jesus, the lamb slain from the foundation of the world, the son of God, whom I fear yet respect. I fear the torments of Hell that I fully deserve and realize that you are the only way to salvation, there is no other way, only through you can anyone be saved, you hold the keys of death and hell, you are merciful and just, righteous always, perfect and holy, you died to save sinners from the absolute horrors of hell and wrath of God and deserve all worship and love always and forever, you will have mercy on whoever you choose, and are 100% just and righteous blessed is your name, the name above all names, Jesus Christ our Lord.

There are many ways somebody could react to this. What came to my mind after I read it in its entirety
was to remember that the God I know is kind.

 

[disciple Clint]

Biblical Facts about Hell:

• place of eternal fire not annihilation ( Matthew 25:41, Mark 9:43, Jude 1:7, Revelation 14:11, Revelation 20:15)
• eternal torment, absolutely no end and it is immediate after last breath (Luke 16:23-24, Matthew 25:46)
• you will be fully conscious and retain memories of your life on Earth (Luke 16:25)
• God laughs at the wicked (Psalms 37:13-15)
• The wicked will get what they deserve, Hell is pure justice (Romans 2:6-8, Romans 12:19)
• The saints in Heaven shall Rejoice at the wicked being justly tormented, and they will see that it is good (Revelation 18:20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.)
• the wicked will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: (Revelation 14:10)
• you will burn (Isaiah 33:14)
• your worm will never die, there will be no end to the torment (Isaiah 66:24, Mark 9:44)
• will be weeping, wailing, gnashing of teeth (Psalms 112:10, Matthew 8:12, Matthew 13:42, Matthew 13:50)
• there is no salvation in Hell (2 Thessalonians 1:9, Psalms 119:155)
• described as eternal damnation (Mark 3:29)
• everyone who is sent there deserves it (Romans 2:6-8, Exodus 32:34, Job 34:11, Psalms 62:12, Proverbs 24:12, Ecclesiastes 3:17, Jeremiah 17:10)
• It is located under the Earth (Matthew 12:40, Ephesians 4:9)
• described as a pit that swallows people up, enlarges itself (Numbers 16:30, Psalms 21:9, Isaiah 5:14)
• outer darkness (Matthew 8:12)
• most will be in Hell, few in heaven (Matthew 7:13-14, Deuteronomy 28:62, Luke 13:23-24)
• there will be self professed Christians in Hell (Matthew 7:21-23)
• Teachers will be judged more strictly (James 3:1)

Some like to say that Hell is "separation from God" you hear this all the time now and people falsely describe this separation as the absolute worst torment of them all, but this is false and completely unbiblical. Revelation 14:10 completely refutes this and while it is true that you will be separated from Gods grace and love, (there is no chance for mercy beyond the grave) you will not be separated from his wrath, and separation from God is likely the last thing you will think about as you're burning and being tormented for eternity. Those in Heaven will rejoice at the justice that is served to the wicked (Revelation 18:20)

I know this is a unpopular biblical truth that some may consider controversial, and I know that most who you will try to confront today about the reality of Hell will deny or laugh it off, but this is urgent and there are those who really need to hear this message: the doctrine of Hell is under attack today, people lie and say that Hell is a party, or it doesn't exist, but Hell is real just as much as Jesus is real, Jesus talked about Hell more than anyone in the Bible.

Thank you Jesus, the lamb slain from the foundation of the world, the son of God, whom I fear yet respect. I fear the torments of Hell that I fully deserve and realize that you are the only way to salvation, there is no other way, only through you can anyone be saved, you hold the keys of death and hell, you are merciful and just, righteous always, perfect and holy, you died to save sinners from the absolute horrors of hell and wrath of God and deserve all worship and love always and forever, you will have mercy on whoever you choose, and are 100% just and righteous blessed is your name, the name above all names, Jesus Christ our Lord.

Unless you are satan you do not need to be concerned about Rev 14:10 and there are plenty of valid arguments that do not agree with this post, in theology it is never safe to assume that there is only one right answer and that it is obvious from scripture, it is only obvious if you know what scripture is truly saying in the time and to the people it was originally intended for and not what it appears to be saying to the people of this day.

 

[Hmm]

as you're burning and being tormented for eternity.

How could you torment someone who was burning? It would be like throwing popcorn at the back of somebody's head when they were already engulfed in flames. It wouldn't make much of a difference.

Thank you Jesus, the lamb slain from the foundation of the world, the son of God, whom I fear yet respect.

We're commanded to love Jesus. He's not a mafia boss.

 

[wendykvw]

Biblical Facts about Hell:

• place of eternal fire not annihilation ( Matthew 25:41, Mark 9:43, Jude 1:7, Revelation 14:11, Revelation 20:15)
• eternal torment, absolutely no end and it is immediate after last breath (Luke 16:23-24, Matthew 25:46)
• you will be fully conscious and retain memories of your life on Earth (Luke 16:25)
• God laughs at the wicked (Psalms 37:13-15)
• The wicked will get what they deserve, Hell is pure justice (Romans 2:6-8, Romans 12:19)
• The saints in Heaven shall Rejoice at the wicked being justly tormented, and they will see that it is good (Revelation 18:20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.)
• the wicked will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: (Revelation 14:10)
• you will burn (Isaiah 33:14)
• your worm will never die, there will be no end to the torment (Isaiah 66:24, Mark 9:44)
• will be weeping, wailing, gnashing of teeth (Psalms 112:10, Matthew 8:12, Matthew 13:42, Matthew 13:50)
• there is no salvation in Hell (2 Thessalonians 1:9, Psalms 119:155)
• described as eternal damnation (Mark 3:29)
• everyone who is sent there deserves it (Romans 2:6-8, Exodus 32:34, Job 34:11, Psalms 62:12, Proverbs 24:12, Ecclesiastes 3:17, Jeremiah 17:10)
• It is located under the Earth (Matthew 12:40, Ephesians 4:9)
• described as a pit that swallows people up, enlarges itself (Numbers 16:30, Psalms 21:9, Isaiah 5:14)
• outer darkness (Matthew 8:12)
• most will be in Hell, few in heaven (Matthew 7:13-14, Deuteronomy 28:62, Luke 13:23-24)
• there will be self professed Christians in Hell (Matthew 7:21-23)
• Teachers will be judged more strictly (James 3:1)

Some like to say that Hell is "separation from God" you hear this all the time now and people falsely describe this separation as the absolute worst torment of them all, but this is false and completely unbiblical. Revelation 14:10 completely refutes this and while it is true that you will be separated from Gods grace and love, (there is no chance for mercy beyond the grave) you will not be separated from his wrath, and separation from God is likely the last thing you will think about as you're burning and being tormented for eternity. Those in Heaven will rejoice at the justice that is served to the wicked (Revelation 18:20)

I know this is a unpopular biblical truth that some may consider controversial, and I know that most who you will try to confront today about the reality of Hell will deny or laugh it off, but this is urgent and there are those who really need to hear this message: the doctrine of Hell is under attack today, people lie and say that Hell is a party, or it doesn't exist, but Hell is real just as much as Jesus is real, Jesus talked about Hell more than anyone in the Bible.

Thank you Jesus, the lamb slain from the foundation of the world, the son of God, whom I fear yet respect. I fear the torments of Hell that I fully deserve and realize that you are the only way to salvation, there is no other way, only through you can anyone be saved, you hold the keys of death and hell, you are merciful and just, righteous always, perfect and holy, you died to save sinners from the absolute horrors of hell and wrath of God and deserve all worship and love always and forever, you will have mercy on whoever you choose, and are 100% just and righteous blessed is your name, the name above all names, Jesus Christ our Lord.

Hyperbolic expressions in the Bible are not to be taken literally. No one in their right mind would gouge out their eye or cut off their arm as Matthew 5:29 commands. God would never burn His beloved creation in a fire. This is what the pagans did, and God said He would never do such a thing. Jeremiah 19:5

 

[Tom 1]

Biblical Facts about Hell:

• place of eternal fire not annihilation ( Matthew 25:41, Mark 9:43, Jude 1:7, Revelation 14:11, Revelation 20:15)
• eternal torment, absolutely no end and it is immediate after last breath (Luke 16:23-24, Matthew 25:46)
• you will be fully conscious and retain memories of your life on Earth (Luke 16:25)
• God laughs at the wicked (Psalms 37:13-15)
• The wicked will get what they deserve, Hell is pure justice (Romans 2:6-8, Romans 12:19)
• The saints in Heaven shall Rejoice at the wicked being justly tormented, and they will see that it is good (Revelation 18:20 Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.)
• the wicked will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: (Revelation 14:10)
• you will burn (Isaiah 33:14)
• your worm will never die, there will be no end to the torment (Isaiah 66:24, Mark 9:44)
• will be weeping, wailing, gnashing of teeth (Psalms 112:10, Matthew 8:12, Matthew 13:42, Matthew 13:50)
• there is no salvation in Hell (2 Thessalonians 1:9, Psalms 119:155)
• described as eternal damnation (Mark 3:29)
• everyone who is sent there deserves it (Romans 2:6-8, Exodus 32:34, Job 34:11, Psalms 62:12, Proverbs 24:12, Ecclesiastes 3:17, Jeremiah 17:10)
• It is located under the Earth (Matthew 12:40, Ephesians 4:9)
• described as a pit that swallows people up, enlarges itself (Numbers 16:30, Psalms 21:9, Isaiah 5:14)
• outer darkness (Matthew 8:12)
• most will be in Hell, few in heaven (Matthew 7:13-14, Deuteronomy 28:62, Luke 13:23-24)
• there will be self professed Christians in Hell (Matthew 7:21-23)
• Teachers will be judged more strictly (James 3:1)

Some like to say that Hell is "separation from God" you hear this all the time now and people falsely describe this separation as the absolute worst torment of them all, but this is false and completely unbiblical. Revelation 14:10 completely refutes this and while it is true that you will be separated from Gods grace and love, (there is no chance for mercy beyond the grave) you will not be separated from his wrath, and separation from God is likely the last thing you will think about as you're burning and being tormented for eternity. Those in Heaven will rejoice at the justice that is served to the wicked (Revelation 18:20)

I know this is a unpopular biblical truth that some may consider controversial, and I know that most who you will try to confront today about the reality of Hell will deny or laugh it off, but this is urgent and there are those who really need to hear this message: the doctrine of Hell is under attack today, people lie and say that Hell is a party, or it doesn't exist, but Hell is real just as much as Jesus is real, Jesus talked about Hell more than anyone in the Bible.

Thank you Jesus, the lamb slain from the foundation of the world, the son of God, whom I fear yet respect. I fear the torments of Hell that I fully deserve and realize that you are the only way to salvation, there is no other way, only through you can anyone be saved, you hold the keys of death and hell, you are merciful and just, righteous always, perfect and holy, you died to save sinners from the absolute horrors of hell and wrath of God and deserve all worship and love always and forever, you will have mercy on whoever you choose, and are 100% just and righteous blessed is your name, the name above all names, Jesus Christ our Lord.

Sure, random stuff that happens to pass through your mind without reflection can be described as ‘facts’ and ‘truth’. Dream on.

 

[martymonster]

Hyperbolic expressions in the Bible are not to be taken literally. No one in their right mind would gouge out their eye or cut off their arm as Matthew 5:29 commands. God would never burn His beloved creation in a fire. This is was what the pagans did, and God said He would never do such a thing. Jeremiah 19:5

Yes, I just love how Christians like to assert that scripture is literal, until it comes hacking off a foot, a hand, or gouging out an eye.

 

[martymonster]

The doctrine of eternal punishment is just another example of what you get when you take scripture literally. I would venture to say that all false doctrines are brought into existence via literal interpretations of scripture.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

You do a great job of going through the scripture and if we go with the English translation it would be fitting ....but we can't. We have to go into the meaning(s) of the Greek and Hebrew in effort to get a greater understanding of he double hocky stick.


Through religion.... its deception and fear motivation we have adapted the meaning, which the Greeks have put upon this word (hell), making it synonymous in definition with “sheol”, “hades”, “gehenna”, “katakaio”, and “tartaros”… as being that of eternal torment. Those are the words used that have been translated into our one English word for hell; they are not the same.


The word “hades” from the Greek was used as a counterpart to the Hebrew word “sheol” and is more accurately defined as a state rather than a place.


Gravedom is a word coined by E W Bullinger, and is a great word for hell; it is the state, reign or time of being in the grave. I am not talking about the grave itself which employs the Greek word (qeber). I am speaking of the time when one takes his last breath, until the return of our savior Jesus Christ…..when he returns, first, for the Church of the Body, and later when He returns as King of Kings

We must disregard the meaning that is placed on the word hell today. The Bibles’ definition is; “the state of being when one dies,” it’s a continuing state until the resurrection.” That’s it ….it is that simple, and that defined in the Bible.


Sheol (Hebrew) Old Testament and Hades (Greek) New Testament are basically the two words, both meaning grave or gravedom.

Sheol is translated grave 31 times, hell 31 times, and pit 3 times.

Hades is translated hell 10, times and grave 1 time.


Interpreters Dictionary of the Bible (1962 vol. 1 p788) states

“The English word hell has taken on the mythological Greek meaning associated with the pagan idea of an underworld where the dead continue to live on in torment.”


The standard for truth in defining words has got to come from the Bible itself, not from the meaning (s) attached to it, which is where the confusion comes in.


Short version:
In Greek mythology Hades was the god of the underworld and his name came to represent this fictitious place that we understand as Hell. The Septuagint was a second century B.C. Greek translation of the Old Testament, and in it the word Hades was chosen as the counterpart to the Hebrew “Sheol”.

As is done with “Sheol”, many English versions of the Bible erroneously translate the Greek word “Hades” as hell rather than grave.

(As E. W. Bullinger states “The Old Testament is the fountain-head of the Hebrew language. It has no literature behind it. But the case is entirely different with the Greek language. The Hebrew word “Sheol” is divine in its origin and usage. The Greek “Hades” is human in its nature and come down laden with centuries of development, in which it has acquired new senses, meaning and usages.”


NOWHERE in the Old Testament is the abode of the dead regarded as a place of punishment or torment. The concept of an infernal “hell” developed in Israel only during the Hellenistic period.
As believers we must use the Words interpretation of itself, to define words within the Bible.

Clearly there is no justification to the eternal torment, which has been propounded throughout Christendom today. Whether we translate it or transliterate it, we must give it the meaning that God purposed; everything else outside the Word of God must be discarded.


John 3:16
16. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

The word “perish” Gr: (apollymi) means to utterly destroy; annihilate. That’s what happens to those who reject Jesus Christ and all those previous to the Grace administration who were evil and rejected God…..


It’s not eternal torment ….it is ➡ total consuming.

“Gehenna” (geenna) A Greek word for the Hebrew “valley of Hinnom” which was a city dump outside of Jerusalem.

When Christ would address this, He was illustrating that garbage thrown into the gehenna would be burned up. No one listening to Jesus would believe that that the garbage would continue to exist in the fire ….without being consumed. This is the place of everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord spoken of in 2Th 1:9 ….It refers to the fire of judgment in which the wicked will one day be consumed. It is called “the lake of fire” in the book of Revelation where fire will bring the ultimate annihilation of the devil and his hosts.


The last two words translated hell are Katakaio and Tartarous.

“Katakaio” is used in Hebrews 13:11 regarding the sacrificial beasts that were burned outside the camp.
11.For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp.

This same word is used in Matthew 3:12
12. Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.


Neither Chaff nor beasts burn forever, they burn up and are gone …

“Tartarous” is used once and translated hell in II Peter 2:4 it refers to the place of imprisoned evil sprits ……not a place of torment for sinners.
4.For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment.

This is called obfuscation and diverting people away from what the Scriptures actually say about hell by talking about irrelevant hair splitting debate about word meanings.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

The doctrine of eternal punishment is just another example of what you get when you take scripture literally. I would venture to say that all false doctrines are brought into existence via literal interpretations of scripture.

False doctrine comes from reading into the actual text ideas and opinions that aren't there. It is interesting that when considering Scriptures that talk about the love of God and the need to live good moral lives, and go to church, etc., when it comes to other Scriptures that talk about more unpleasant things, people go, "Oh, we can't take those Scriptures literally you know!"

I guess those same people, when the Scripture says that no one can come to the Father except by Jesus, and the way to eternity life is narrow and few there be who find it, and one must repent of their sins and believe the Gospel and make Jesus their Lord, prefer to say, "Not necessarily so. Hindus love God, and Muslims believe in Jesus too!"

 

[Psalm 27]

Hyperbolic expressions in the Bible are not to be taken literally.

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[Presbyterian Continuist]

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That comes from the personal made-up version of the Bible.

 

[Hmm]

Yes, I just love how Christians like to assert that scripture is literal, until it comes hacking off a foot, a hand, or gouging out an eye.

Or selling all your property!

 

[martymonster]

False doctrine comes from reading into the actual text ideas and opinions that aren't there. It is interesting that when considering Scriptures that talk about the love of God and the need to live good moral lives, and go to church, etc., when it comes to other Scriptures that talk about more unpleasant things, people go, "Oh, we can't take those Scriptures literally you know!"

I guess those same people, when the Scripture says that no one can come to the Father except by Jesus, and the way to eternity life is narrow and few there be who find it, and one must repent of their sins and believe the Gospel and make Jesus their Lord, prefer to say, "Not necessarily so. Hindus love God, and Muslims believe in Jesus too!"

Well, since you say that, I assume you are at least missing a hand, a foot or an eye. It seems to be only when it is convenient, that things are literal. It's also funny that none of the literalists can explain what this verse means.

1Co 2:6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
1Co 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
1Co 2:8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
1Co 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
1Co 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
1Co 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
1Co 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1Co 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
1Co 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.


Question: How is the hidden wisdom hidden, if it's literal? Wouldn't anyone be able to receive it, if it was literal?

Question: How could eye not seen or ear heard, if those things are plain for just anyone to read, which the would be, if they were literal?

Question: What does comparing spiritual with spiritual mean? Why can't the natural man discern it?

 

[martymonster]

Or selling all your property!

I'd also like to know, by what authority do people get to decide what is literal and what is not?

 

[Hmm]

I'd also like to know, by what authority do people get to decide what is literal and what is not?

Their own authority. It's wherever their preferences lie.

 

[coffee4u]

You are taking a few scriptures and missing out others that gives a wider picture. To actually go over them all would take too long. It seems as if you are suggesting people without fleshly bodies will be in a never ending lake of fire burning alive.
But we know that after death you shed your body. The body is what would feel physical fire but your body is no more until the resurrection. It is the soul and spirit that live on not flesh and blood.

Then we know that there is a resurrection of all
Revelation 20:13
The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done.
Judged according to what they had done. Some will have far more and others far less to be judged for. The punishment must be just and warranted towards each individual, but if everybody simply feels never ending physical pain from fire than all have exactly the same punishment.

After judgement they are then thrown into the lake of fire. But if you look at more verses on this lake
Revelation 21:8
But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”
You will see it is called the second death. Death of the body that God just resurrected. So once again the body has been killed so it can't feel never ending physical pain and that also does not fit with a just and loving God giving all the same exact punishment.

The Bible says it is the devil, the beast and the false prophet who will burn forever in the lake of fire not humanity.
Revelation 20:10
And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

The collection of verses you put is not a good argument for eternal physical pain after the resurrection. You have verses about the lake of fire at the final judgment mixed in with others about Lazarus and Abraham and some from the Old testament which are not talking about the same place at all.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Or selling all your property!

Selling all one's property is part of a historical narrative involving Jesus and the rich young ruler. It is descriptive, not prescriptive for us.