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Spritual things are spritually discerned. Forgive me but I don't put much stock into the words of men when they seek to take away from the Word of God.
I don't recall stating that I didn't know the difference between the two. What's really sad is that I've yet to hear how any of your Popes received Revelation from God. It's sad really. I'd think they'd be the first ones to get a vision every now and then.
How would you know I'm mistaken if you don't know what the bible says on the matter?
Now you're making wholly unjustified conclusions. Since our discussion is about papal infallibility we (Catholics) speak in terms of the assurance of truth that infallibility gives. There is no revelation implied in an assurance of truth. But you make the erroneous conclusion a pope never received a vision, or other communication from God or from the angels and saints. Such communications, not being inspired revelation from God, are considered to be private revelation and not to be binding upon anybody who does not receive them. Sacred scripture is, of course, public revelation and binding upon the consciences of all who profess faith in Christ.
How do you know I don't know what the Bible says on the matter?
Actually MoreCoffee, I have a clear understanding of the two thanks to my time on this board, and made no such statement here that indicated anything to the contrary. I am not responsible for what you assume I mean when I said that your Popes should receive a vision every now and then. I do find it strage however that they NEVER received inspiration.
Twas a statement directed at your churches stance as a whole, not you personally.
If I'm not mistaken, your view is in agreeance with your churhces view correct?
My statements aren't unjustified conclusions. They're based off of what I've been told by Catholics. Although now that I think about it, I do remember that Pope John Paul had visions of Mary quite frequently. So in that regard I was wrong. Of course I'm more concerned with them getting visions from Christ. Is there such a record. If I've been misinformed, I'd be more than happy to take back what was said.
Forgive me but I didn't join in on this discussion to discuss EGW, and something tells me there's nothing I can't tell you that you haven't already heard.
Yet you put a great deal of stock in the words of Ellen White so you contradict your own claim.
You don't put much stock into the words of men, but yet you say you know the book of Revelation is an apocalyptic book. How would you even know this if it were not for the words of men?
Why do you think our Popes received revelation from God?
haven't heard much . which is why i asked . just not sure the difference . the principle of an extra prophet seems identical .
You do not demonstrate understanding that INSPIRATION is closed. . . done .. there is no more inspried divine revelation from God.
MoreCoffe explained that quite well, and I do very much understand what's being said.You do not demonstrate undertanding that INSPIRATION refers to the giving of Divine Revelation.
Again, just cause you say it's finished doesn't mean it's finished. And I believe the "lead into ALL truth" statement was inclusive of all believers. Not just the Apostles. If it's not the Holy Spirit leading you, than who is?Divine Revelation is finished. It was finished with the Apostles whom Jesus said the Holy Spirit would lead into the ALL Truth . not some truth . . . ALL truth.
If Jesus is not a llar, then the Apostles were led into ALL truth and Divine Revelation to man is COMPLETE lacking nothing at the time of the Apostles.
There is therefore no more need for inspiration for divine revelation and such inspiration has ceased.
So no .. our Popes are not inspired to give divine revelation today.
Anyone who claims to be inspired to give divine revelation after the apostles is deceiving you for there is nothing to be added to the divine revelation given to the apostles for they received ALL truth.
How do you know my Church does not know what the bible says on the matter?
I said I don't put much stock in the words of men when they take away from the Words of God.
I don't know if they have. I was saying, based off of what I've been told by other Catholic's, that they've never received inspiration from God. That strikes me as odd.
Your church keeps saying that, but it doesn't make it true.
Where have the words of men taken away from the words of God?
It is pretty apparent you are adding to the words of God.
That's because you don't undertand yet that inspiriation from God no longer happens and hasn't since the Apostles left this earth.
Did Jesus lie when He said the ALL truth would be given to the apostles?
Any such visions are not inspired divine revelation.
Seventh Day Adventists believe that Ellen White wrote under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit so they implicitly believe her writings to be as true and as binding on them as scripture is.
You treat your Catechism the same wayMoreCoffee said:Seventh Day Adventists believe that Ellen White wrote under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit so they implicitly believe her writings to be as true and as binding on them as scripture is.
In trying to make the 1000 years an "unknown long time"
Where have I done this?
You're right, I don't understand that, nor will I given that the bible says no such thing. I'd have to take the word of your church on that matter, and as I said earlier "Because we say so" just doesn't work well for me.
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