Truth of the Present Truth

[Cribstyl]

Well everything I've said so far would be commentary wouldn't it

You said that the gospel is the good news that Jesus came, died, was resurrected, and now makes intercession before the Father for us.
That was scriptual facts that we can prove as truths.
You then said that Jesus is our High Priest. Again, that's scriptual fact that can be easily proven as truth.

What I call commentary is what you're saying below in bold.

If we agree that Christ is our Great High Priest, we should understand why He is our Great High Priest.

A wise man used to answer every question I asked him with the following phrase "Go back to the sanctuary".

The whole of the gospel is wrapped up in the sanctuary model that Christ gave Moses on the mountain. Are you still with me?

I asked you to show where the law is part of the gospel, and look where we're heading now? You've lost me.
What book of the bible or passage of scripture can you reference to show How does the gospel fits into a sanctuary model?
To my understanding Christ's Priesthood is after the order of Melchezedek not Moses, Levi or Aaron. Please make yourself clear.

 

[Revelation 14:6-12]

You said that the gospel is the good news that Jesus came, died, was resurrected, and now makes intercession before the Father for us.
That was scriptual facts that we can prove as truths.
You then said that Jesus is our High Priest. Again, that's scriptual fact that can be easily proven as truth.

What I call commentary is what you're saying below in bold.
I asked you to show where the law is part of the gospel, and look where we're heading now? You've lost me.
What book of the bible or passage of scripture can you reference to show How does the gospel fits into a sanctuary model?
To my understanding Christ's Priesthood is after the order of Melchezedek not Moses, Levi or Aaron. Please make yourself clear.

Heavenly Sanctuary:

[It was] therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. Hebews 9:25

Sanctuary, Moses Shown The Pattern Of The Heavenly


During the EXODUS EVENT, GOD gave Moses a vision of the Heavenly Sanctuary to "pattern" the Earthly after it.


ACCORDING TO ALL THAT I SHEWED THEE, [AFTER] THE PATTERN OF THE TABERNACLE, AND THE PATTERN OF ALL THE INSTRUMENTS thereof, even so shall ye make [it].Exodus 25:9


And look that thou MAKE [THEM] AFTER THEIR PATTERN, which was SHEWED THEE IN THE MOUNT.Exodus 25:40


The EARTHLY SANCTUARY was the "pattern"/"shadow" of the HEAVENLY SANCTUARY where GOD dwells in Heaven.


Now of the things which we have spoken [this is] the sum: WE HAVE SUCH AN HIGH PRIEST, WHO IS SET ON THE RIGHT HAND OF THE THRONE OF MAJESTY IN THE HEAVENS;Hebrews 8:1


A MINISTER OF THE SANCTUARY, AND OF THE TRUE TABERNACLE, WHICH THE LORD PITCHED, AND NOT MAN.Hebrews 8:2


For EVERY HIGH PRIEST IS ORDAINED TO OFFER GIFTS AND SACRIFICES: wherefore [it is] of necessity that THIS MAN HAVE SOMEWHAT ALSO TO OFFER.Hebrews 8:3


For if he were ON EARTH, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are PRIESTS that offer gifts according to the law:Hebrews 8:4


WHO SERVE UNTO THE EXAMPLE AND SHADOW OF HEAVENLY THINGS, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, [that] thou make all things ACCORDING TO THE PATTERN SHEWED TO THEE IN THE MOUNT.Hebrews 8:5


And the TEMPLE OF GOD WAS OPENED IN HEAVEN, and there was seen in his TEMPLE THE ARK OF HIS TESTAMENT: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.Revelation 11:19


What do you suppose is in that Ark in Heaven? HIS very Ten Commandments.

Why do we need CHRIST JESUS as our Great High Priest in the Heavenly as our Mediator, our intercessor?


What is HE doing there?


What is sin? [1 John 3:4]


It has been shown to you from Revelation 14:6-12, in the the "Everlasting Gospel" does indeed contain the Ten Commandments. The message goes forth to "Fear GOD":


Therefore thou shalt keep the commandments of the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to fear him. Deuteronomy 8:6


Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him. Deuteronomy 13:4


Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man. Ecclesiastes 12:13


The word "man" is "adam".


Within the "Everlasting Gospel" message that goes forth to the whole world, it contains the longest text in Revelation which is quoted from Exodus 20:11. - the 4th Commandment.


You cannot have Grace without Law. There is no need of Grace unless there is a Law that has been transgressed. That very same Law [Ten Commandments] must still be in existence to this very day in order for anyone to have need of the Grace of God.


Why does anyone need a Gospel if there is no longer a Law to transgress?


Where there is no Law, there is no transgression. [Romans 4:15]


No transgression, there is then no more sin.


No sin, no need of the Saviour Christ Jesus or His atoning Blood. None whatsoever.

 

[Stryder06]

You said that the gospel is the good news that Jesus came, died, was resurrected, and now makes intercession before the Father for us.
That was scriptual facts that we can prove as truths.
You then said that Jesus is our High Priest. Again, that's scriptual fact that can be easily proven as truth.

If I'm not mistaken gospel means "good news" right? My explanation of scripture always seems to be called commentary which is why I said what I said. Everything I'm saying can be proven with scripture.

What I call commentary is what you're saying below in bold.
I asked you to show where the law is part of the gospel, and look where we're heading now? You've lost me.
What book of the bible or passage of scripture can you reference to show How does the gospel fits into a sanctuary model?
To my understanding Christ's Priesthood is after the order of Melchezedek not Moses, Levi or Aaron. Please make yourself clear.

We've already established what the gospel is. The reason why I was taking you to the sanctuary model is because it was based off of the actual sanctuary in heaven. That's what scripture tells us. With that being the case we see the life of Christ all up and through the sanctuary

His sacrifice on calvary = brazen altar of sacrifice. His burial and resurrection = laver. His Ministry before the Father = The levitical ministry.

All of the services and furnishings were symbolic of Christ and His actual ministry for us.

Do we agree here? If not then we need not proceed any further.

 

[Cribstyl]

If I'm not mistaken gospel means "good news" right? My explanation of scripture always seems to be called commentary which is why I said what I said. Everything I'm saying can be proven with scripture.

It seems that most people associate the good news or the Gospel with:
Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Jhn 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Jhn 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. -

My point is if you're not preaching what we're suppose to believe as christians then you're preaching another gospel.

We've already established what the gospel is.

Not so fast, one of my issues with you some other SDA members, is that you dont spend time teaching the gospel. You teach mostly from the OT and particularly about keeping the law and the sabbath, or against Sunday worshippers. The gospel is the message that Jesus sends His followers to teach. Claiming "present truth" other than what Peter articulated in 2Peter is a different Gospel. Initially I was hoping to limit our dialog to what Peter was explaining as the present truth. You've taken us for a ride so far, and have not shown us where the 10 commandments are a part of the Gospel.

If Jesus said...NASB - Luk 16:16 -"The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John; since that time the gospel of the kingdom of God *has been preached, and everyone is forcing his way into it.

Why are you trying to convince us that the books of law and the books of the prophets are the Gospel?


Yes, we can agree that the Levitical sacrificial system was a forerunner to Jesus being the Lamb of God.

If the message being preached in the NT was exactly what was given to Moses or the Prophets, whay did the Jews killed Jesus and the Apostles? (The text above also implies that that ten.com of Ex20 is not the Gospel of Jesus Christ.)

The reason why I was taking you to the sanctuary model is because it was based off of the actual sanctuary in heaven. That's what scripture tells us. With that being the case we see the life of Christ all up and through the sanctuary

His sacrifice on calvary = brazen altar of sacrifice. His burial and resurrection = laver. His Ministry before the Father = The levitical ministry.

All of the services and furnishings were symbolic of Christ and His actual ministry for us.

Do we agree here? If not then we need not proceed any further.

I understand to some extent and I agree in part. But where I raise strong disagreement I have sound scriptures to stand on.

If you had biblical truth you should point us to written doctrines that Jesus sent Paul or His eyewitnesses (apostles) to teach.

The book of Hebrews does teach these relationship of the sanctuary and the sacrificial system represented. The fact that Jesus as The Lamb of God" fulfilled all the offerings that the Levitical system represented.

 

[Stryder06]

It seems that most people associate the good news or the Gospel with:

John 3:16. OK. Now is not Christ's coming foretold in the Sanctuary Service?

My point is if you're not preaching what we're suppose to believe as christians then you're preaching another gospel.

Ok.

Not so fast, one of my issues with you some other SDA members, is that you dont spend time teaching the gospel. You teach mostly from the OT and particularly about keeping the law and the sabbath, or against Sunday worshippers. The gospel is the message that Jesus sends His followers to teach. Claiming "present truth" other than what Peter articulated in 2Peter is a different Gospel.

Crib, you don't know what or how I or many other SDA's teach the gospel. This forum isn't where I come to teach anything. We talk about the sabbath and the OT and Sunday worship because that's what comes up 9/10 times. IT doesn't matter what we try to talk about, someone who is anti-Adventist will find some way to bring up the sabbath, or dietary laws, or whatever, just so they'll have ground to disagree with us.

Initially I was hoping to limit our dialog to what Peter was explaining as the present truth. You've taken us for a ride so far, and have not shown us where the 10 commandments are a part of the Gospel.

I didn't know we were suppose to be sticking with Peter said. It is possible that I've taken this off topic. My apologies if I have.

If Jesus said...NASB - Luk 16:16 -"The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John; since that time the gospel of the kingdom of God *has been preached, and everyone is forcing his way into it.

Why are you trying to convince us that the books of law and the books of the prophets are the Gospel?

First, I'm going to be honest and tell you that I still don't understand that verse. Second, who is "us"? Thrid, didn't Christ, after His resurrection go to Moses and the Prophets to teach His disciples? Last, the entire bible is part of the gospel. If you don't agree there, then again, we need not move forward.

Yes, we can agree that the Levitical sacrificial system was a forerunner to Jesus being the Lamb of God.

Ok.

If the message being preached in the NT was exactly what was given to Moses or the Prophets, why did the Jews kill Jesus and the Apostles? (The text above also implies that that ten.com of Ex20 is not the Gospel of Jesus Christ.)

The Jews killed Jesus for the same reason that Rome killed Christians. I mean that's really no argument there Crib. Don't forget, no all of the Jews rejected Christ. Most? Yes. All? No.

I understand to some extent and I agree in part. But where I raise strong disagreement I have sound scriptures to stand on.

If you had biblical truth you should point us to written doctrines that Jesus sent Paul or His eyewitnesses (apostles) to teach.

The book of Hebrews does teach these relationship of the sanctuary and the sacrificial system represented. The fact that Jesus as The Lamb of God" fulfilled all the offerings that the Levitical system represented.

I think you're missing my point. I'm trying to say that every part of the gospel, good news, can be found in the sanctuary since the sanctuary is patterned after the actual service that Christ is rendering in Heaven. What I was getting to is that Christ is interceding for us before the Father, just like the earthly priest interceded for us on earth. Why do we need an intercessor Crib?

 

[Stryder06]

Heavenly Sanctuary:

[It was] therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. Hebews 9:25

Sanctuary, Moses Shown The Pattern Of The Heavenly


During the EXODUS EVENT, GOD gave Moses a vision of the Heavenly Sanctuary to "pattern" the Earthly after it.


ACCORDING TO ALL THAT I SHEWED THEE, [AFTER] THE PATTERN OF THE TABERNACLE, AND THE PATTERN OF ALL THE INSTRUMENTS thereof, even so shall ye make [it].Exodus 25:9


And look that thou MAKE [THEM] AFTER THEIR PATTERN, which was SHEWED THEE IN THE MOUNT.Exodus 25:40


The EARTHLY SANCTUARY was the "pattern"/"shadow" of the HEAVENLY SANCTUARY where GOD dwells in Heaven.


Now of the things which we have spoken [this is] the sum: WE HAVE SUCH AN HIGH PRIEST, WHO IS SET ON THE RIGHT HAND OF THE THRONE OF MAJESTY IN THE HEAVENS;Hebrews 8:1


A MINISTER OF THE SANCTUARY, AND OF THE TRUE TABERNACLE, WHICH THE LORD PITCHED, AND NOT MAN.Hebrews 8:2


For EVERY HIGH PRIEST IS ORDAINED TO OFFER GIFTS AND SACRIFICES: wherefore [it is] of necessity that THIS MAN HAVE SOMEWHAT ALSO TO OFFER.Hebrews 8:3


For if he were ON EARTH, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are PRIESTS that offer gifts according to the law:Hebrews 8:4


WHO SERVE UNTO THE EXAMPLE AND SHADOW OF HEAVENLY THINGS, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, [that] thou make all things ACCORDING TO THE PATTERN SHEWED TO THEE IN THE MOUNT.Hebrews 8:5


And the TEMPLE OF GOD WAS OPENED IN HEAVEN, and there was seen in his TEMPLE THE ARK OF HIS TESTAMENT: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.Revelation 11:19


What do you suppose is in that Ark in Heaven? HIS very Ten Commandments.

Why do we need CHRIST JESUS as our Great High Priest in the Heavenly as our Mediator, our intercessor?


What is HE doing there?


What is sin? [1 John 3:4]


It has been shown to you from Revelation 14:6-12, in the the "Everlasting Gospel" does indeed contain the Ten Commandments. The message goes forth to "Fear GOD":


Therefore thou shalt keep the commandments of the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to fear him. Deuteronomy 8:6


Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him. Deuteronomy 13:4


Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man. Ecclesiastes 12:13


The word "man" is "adam".


Within the "Everlasting Gospel" message that goes forth to the whole world, it contains the longest text in Revelation which is quoted from Exodus 20:11. - the 4th Commandment.


You cannot have Grace without Law. There is no need of Grace unless there is a Law that has been transgressed. That very same Law [Ten Commandments] must still be in existence to this very day in order for anyone to have need of the Grace of God.


Why does anyone need a Gospel if there is no longer a Law to transgress?


Where there is no Law, there is no transgression. [Romans 4:15]


No transgression, there is then no more sin.


No sin, no need of the Saviour Christ Jesus or His atoning Blood. None whatsoever.

What he said

 

[Joe67]

Heb 5:5-6
5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.

6 As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. KJV

This priesthood will not pass away. It is everlasting. Jesus is a mediator forever, even when sin and death are swallowed and passed out in the drought/sewer of the Lord.

He is the Head of the Body of priests, forever. We are members in particular of his Body, forever, world without end.

Joe

 

[Cribstyl]

Actually the law is part of the gospel, but to accept that would mean a change in your entire theology.

Don't forget, Jesus ans His Father are one. It was Christ pre-incarnate who administered the law to Israel in the first place.

Since you raised issue against my theology about the gospel. It should be your burden of proof to show that the law is a part of the gospel.(#7 )
Have you made you case clear??

Can you post from what Jesus or His disciples call the Gospel that they preached or will to create an equations that forces us to reason a teaching that you can point to a chapter in context?

What did Jesus call the gospel?
What did Paul call the gospel?
By reading Mark's first chapter, we get an idea if the Gospel of Jesus Christ are lessons about keeping the law.
We can find that the gospel is about faith (believing in) in Jesus and what He actually taught and sent His followers to teach?

Mar 1:14¶Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,
Mar 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Believers are called to " repent and believe in the Gospel "

 

[Cribstyl]

Heb 5:5-6
5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.

6 As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. KJV

This priesthood will not pass away. It is everlasting. Jesus is a mediator forever, even when sin and death are swallowed and passed out in the drought/sewer of the Lord.

He is the Head of the Body of priests, forever. We are members in particular of his Body, forever, world without end.

Joe

Thanks Joe, for pointing out that Jesus' priesthood is not after the Levites but rather in succession to Melchisedec.
The truth is Jesus was the perfect Lamb to end to all sacrifices and the entire Levitical system.
His intecessory work as High Priest is on behalf of our prayers, forgiveness, blessings, tithes, etc, but never again to offer blood for sin.

 

[Stryder06]

Since you raised issue against my theology about the gospel. It should be your burden of proof to show that the law is a part of the gospel.(#7 )
Have you made you case clear??

Can you post from what Jesus or His disciples call the Gospel that they preached or will to create an equations that forces us to reason a teaching that you can point to a chapter in context?

What did Jesus call the gospel?
What did Paul call the gospel?
By reading Mark's first chapter, we get an idea if the Gospel of Jesus Christ are lessons about keeping the law.
We can find that the gospel is about faith (believing in) in Jesus and what He actually taught and sent His followers to teach?

Mar 1:14¶Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,
Mar 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Believers are called to " repent and believe in the Gospel "

I was trying to prove my point to you but you called it commentary

The word gospel means good news. The good news is that Christ came, died, rose again, and now intercedes for us in Heaven before the Father. Jesus pre-incarnate gave Moses the sanctuary pattern which was based off of the actual heavenly sanctuary and its services. The life, death, resurrection, and intercession of Christ is seen directly in the sanctuary. Thus the connection to the gospel is there. In other words, Moses got the gospel first before the disciples.

In regards to Mark 1:15 the best definition of the word euaggelion would be the glad tidings of salvation through Christ or even the proclamation of the grace of God manifest and pledged in Chris. This Gospel is spelled out in detail in the sanctuary.

 

[Joe67]

I was trying to prove my point to you but you called it commentary

The word gospel means good news. The good news is that Christ came, died, rose again, and now intercedes for us in Heaven before the Father. Jesus pre-incarnate gave Moses the sanctuary pattern which was based off of the actual heavenly sanctuary and its services. The life, death, resurrection, and intercession of Christ is seen directly in the sanctuary. Thus the connection to the gospel is there. In other words, Moses got the gospel first before the disciples.

In regards to Mark 1:15 the best definition of the word euaggelion would be the glad tidings of salvation through Christ or even the proclamation of the grace of God manifest and pledged in Chris. This Gospel is spelled out in detail in the sanctuary.

Stryder,

Amen and amen as to the importance of understanding our Lord Jesus' relationship to the sanctuary and its services after the order of Melchisedec, through the tribe of Judah as the son of David.

Heb 4:2
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. KJV

Gal 3:8-9
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. KJV

Rom 4:16
16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all, KJV

Joe

 

[Stryder06]

Stryder,

Amen and amen as to the importance of understanding our Lord Jesus' relationship to the sanctuary and its services after the order of Melchisedec, through the tribe of Judah as the son of David.

Thanks. Christ's Priesthood is eternal. The sanctuary is the Path to the throne of God. You see the plan of salvation from beginning to end when you walk through the sanctuary. It gives us a glimpse into heaven even.

 

[Revelation 14:6-12]

Since you raised issue against my theology about the gospel. ...

...What did Jesus call the gospel?...
...What did Paul call the gospel?...

Let us look at Matthew 1:21

And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. Matthew 1:21

JESUS means?

Sin is?

The "good news" is the salvation brought about and offered freely by Christ Jesus. It is the "so great salvation" from sin [transgression of the law; 10 commandments; 1 John 3:4] and its penalty [2nd death; wages of sin are; Romans 6:23], so that we may have at-one-ment [Leviticus 16] with God, which means that we are then free to obey Him [Acts 5:32; Hebrews 5:9] in His Commandments [John 14:15; Exodus 20:6], for without Him we can do nothing [John 15:5], but through Him all things [Philippains 4:13] and we can then be overcomers as He [Revelation 3:21].

The power of the Gospel is ever so much more than is preached by many Christians. In it is the power to actually overcome temptation and sinning [transgression of the law; 10 commandments; 1 John 3:4] through Christ Jesus.

Christ Jesus said, "Follow me." He said, "If ye love me, Keep my commandments." The scriptures say, "Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present [you] faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy," [Jude 1:24]

He said that the Ten Commandments are eternal:

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Matthew 5:17

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Matthew 5:18

Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5:19

For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed [the righteousness] of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5:20

It was not that the Ten Commandments were to be abolished, altered, etc, they were to be "honourable" [Isaiah 42:21] and His very Law would be written in our hearts [Jeremiah 31:31,33; Ezekiel 36:27; Hebrews 8:8,10, 10:16], not merely written upon stone. Same Law, difference in how one keeps them, not merely in outward action and neglecting of the inward, but beginning within [by the Holy Spirit] and thus producing the correct outward actions.

A lot of people love to quote Ephesians 2:8-9 and yet leave out vs. 10:

For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Ephesians 2:10

Many love to quote Paul on Grace, but are less thorough on what He says on obedience to the will of God [His Ten Commandments] through love:

Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God. 1 Corinthians 7:19

Let us see what Jesus says:

Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as [it is] in heaven. Matthew 6:10

And more scripture:

I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law [is] within my heart. Psalms 40:8

Paul and Luke are very good sources on the Gospel:

Paul, himself also, states that he, "... fully preached the Gospel of CHRIST..." being "... committed to ..." his "... trust ..." which was "... not after man ..." and that "... if any other Gospel ...", being brought in by another [man or "... angel from heaven ..."], was preached, then they [who preached the 'not' gospel] were to "... be accursed ...".


Paul states, speaking of the Covenant that was made, "Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though [it be] but a man's covenant, yet [if it be] confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto." [Galatians 3:15].

This Covenant was made at the "Last Supper" [what we would call Thursday night; aka "Maundy Thursday"] which means that nothing may be removed [Luke 23:56, "Sabbath according to the commandment"] and nothing may be added ["first" [day], days far too late] once confirmed by the death [on what we would call Friday afternoon; aka "Good Friday"] of the Testator - CHRIST JESUS [Hebrews 10:29].

The only way to change/ratify the Covenant would be for CHRIST JESUS to die again [Hebrews 9:16] and shed additional blood [Hebrews 12:4]. And we know that CHRIST JESUS "once for all" [Hebrews 10:10] paid the redemption price and "dieth no more" [Romans 6:9], and is "alive for evermore" [Revelation 1:18].

Scripture says:


Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar. [Proverbs 30:6]

...also of the Ten Commandments...

Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish [ought] from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you. [Deuteronomy 4:2]

...and in Revelation again [which covers the "Everlasting Gospel" from Creation to Re-Creation, Beginning to End]...

For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: [Revelation 22:18]


And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book. [Revelation 22:19]


The 7th Day Sabbath has not changed to another day, nor been destroyed, not been abrogated, nor altered, etc. It stands as the memorial to the "very good" Creation of GOD in the beginning, being made a blessing and sanctified for man and it stands for the redemption of man from sin and his rest from sin. Getting back to Atonement with GOD.

 

[Revelation 14:6-12]

...I didn't know we were suppose to be sticking with Peter said. It is possible that I've taken this off topic. My apologies if I have. ...

First, I'm going to be honest and tell you that I still don't understand that verse. ...

Topics mutate as they do, no worries, let truth flow and if possible bring it back full circle.

Let us look at the scriptures on this subject:

For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. Matthew 11:13

The law and the prophets [were] until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it. Luke 16:16

[the word "were" is added by translators and not in the Greek, follow after Matthew 11:13 instead]

There are a great many passages in scripture, which are the "law and the prophets" that prophesied about CHRIST JESUS in HIS First Advent...

...these are they which these passages are speaking about...

...yet there are a great many that also Prophesy about HIS Second Advent...

...and they continue to point to that great event...

Do the passages say that there are no more Prophets and no more Law, or that they lasted only until John? No, it states that those prophecies which pointed to the First Advent were thus being fulfilled, yet the Second Advent was also to come, and so there is an end-time "elijah" message as well; Revelation 14:6-12, etc.

 

[Revelation 14:6-12]

Thanks Joe, for pointing out that Jesus' priesthood is not after the Levites but rather in succession to Melchisedec.
The truth is Jesus was the perfect Lamb to end to all sacrifices and the entire Levitical system.
His intecessory work as High Priest is on behalf of our prayers, forgiveness, blessings, tithes, etc, but never again to offer blood for sin.

The Levitical system is ended, as it was earthly. This is why there is no more offerings by "bulls and goats", which could never take away sins, etc:

How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? Hebrews 9:14

For [it is] not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. Hebrews 10:4

Christ Jesus' ministry after the order of Melchizedek, is Heavenly, as was shown by several texts:

http://www.christianforums.com/t7560582-3/#post57511190

 

[Cribstyl]

Topics mutate as they do, no worries, let truth flow and if possible bring it back full circle.

Yea, no worries, who needs context......whatever keyword sounds clever connects

Let us look at the scriptures on this subject:

For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. Matthew 11:13

The law and the prophets [were] until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it. Luke 16:16

[the word "were" is added by translators and not in the Greek, follow after Matthew 11:13 instead]

There are a great many passages in scripture, which are the "law and the prophets" that prophesied about CHRIST JESUS in HIS First Advent...

...these are they which these passages are speaking about...

Those 2 text are saying two different things. You are so wrong, and your tactic are dangerous. Luke 16:16 is explaining that Christ came to "preach"(the kingdom of God) vs what the law and the prophets preached.
Matt 11:13 Is explaining that the Law and the Prophets, were prophecies that are now being fufilled beginning with John.

...yet there are a great many that also Prophesy about HIS Second Advent...

...and they continue to point to that great event...

Do the passages say that there are no more Prophets and no more Law, or that they lasted only until John? No, it states that those prophecies which pointed to the First Advent were thus being fulfilled, yet the Second Advent was also to come, and so there is an end-time "elijah" message as well; Revelation 14:6-12, etc.

Who is this new guy????

 

[Stryder06]

Topics mutate as they do, no worries, let truth flow and if possible bring it back full circle.

Let us look at the scriptures on this subject:

For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. Matthew 11:13

The law and the prophets [were] until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it. Luke 16:16

[the word "were" is added by translators and not in the Greek, follow after Matthew 11:13 instead]

There are a great many passages in scripture, which are the "law and the prophets" that prophesied about CHRIST JESUS in HIS First Advent...

...these are they which these passages are speaking about...

...yet there are a great many that also Prophesy about HIS Second Advent...

...and they continue to point to that great event...

Do the passages say that there are no more Prophets and no more Law, or that they lasted only until John? No, it states that those prophecies which pointed to the First Advent were thus being fulfilled, yet the Second Advent was also to come, and so there is an end-time "elijah" message as well; Revelation 14:6-12, etc.

Wow. So many years and this is the first simple explanation that made sense. God bless you brother

 

[Stryder06]

Yea, no worries, who needs context......whatever keyword sounds clever connects

Crib, if you gave way for context we'd be on the same side

Those 2 text are saying two different things. You are so wrong, and your tactic are dangerous. Luke 16:16 is explaining that Christ came to "preach"(the kingdom of God) vs what the law and the prophets preached.
Matt 11:13 Is explaining that the Law and the Prophets, were prophecies that are now being fufilled beginning with John.

Crib, you do know that the law and prophets speak about the coming of Christ which is synonymous with His kingdom right? It's the same thing.

 

[Cribstyl]

Crib, if you gave way for context we'd be on the same side



Crib, you do know that the law and prophets speak about the coming of Christ which is synonymous with His kingdom right? It's the same thing.

Dont get it twisted.....

For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. Matthew 11:13

Yes, the law and the prophets "prophesied" about the comming of Jesus and Jesus came in John's day. (that's along the line with what this text conveys, nothing about what Jesus would preach)

The law and the prophets [were] until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it. Luke 16:16

This text conveys that the books of law and the book prophets was the preaching until John. The word for "until" is the first word that established the "terminous" not "were". The following words " since that time" relates to something different rather than the previous "the law and the prophets".

Most of the bible translation solves this issue Stryder.

I'm not worried, when you side with the word of God, we'll be on the same side.

 

[Stryder06]

Dont get it twisted.....

For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. Matthew 11:13

Yes, the law and the prophets "prophesied" about the comming of Jesus and Jesus came in John's day. (that's along the line with what this text conveys, nothing about what Jesus would preach)

The law and the prophets [were] until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it. Luke 16:16

This text conveys that the books of law and the book prophets was the preaching until John. The word for "until" is the first word that established the "terminous" not "were". The following words " since that time" relates to something different rather than the previous "the law and the prophets".

Most of the bible translation solves this issue Stryder.

I'm not worried, when you side with the word of God, we'll be on the same side.

Sorry, I think you just confused me again. Either way, Jesus, after His resurrection, which was way after John, took His disciples back to the law and the prophets, so that's good enough for me. I mean, why would He do that if they were only good for the time up till John?