Truth of the Present Truth

[Revelation 14:6-12]

"Pilate saith unto him, What is truth? ..." (John 18:38;p)

Thy righteousness [is] an everlasting righteousness, and thy law [is] the truth. Psalms 119:142

Thou [art] near, O LORD; and all thy commandments [are] truth. Psalms 119:151

Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. John 17:17

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6

This is he that came by water and blood, [even] Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. 1 John 5:6

All the paths of the LORD [are] mercy and truth unto such as keep his covenant and his testimonies. Psalms 25:10

[He is] the Rock, his work [is] perfect: for all his ways [are] judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right [is] he. Deuteronomy 32:4


Did you know that even Peter believe in the "present truth"?

Wherefore I will not be negligent to put you always in remembrance of these things, though ye know [them], and be established in the present truth. 2 Peter 1:12

What is the Present Truth?

Revelation 14:6-12; Revelation 18.

 

[Cribstyl]

Wherefore I will not be negligent to put you always in remembrance of these things, though ye know [them], and be established in the present truth. 2 Peter 1:12

What is the Present Truth?

Revelation 14:6-12; Revelation 18.

Really??? Is that what Peter is saying????
The present truth that Peter was teaching about is the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the power of God's word keep us from falling. Peter tells us that God's word give us everything to a life of Godliness.
Peter would have been negligent if he preached somethingelse because Jesus appeared to him and commanded Him to "feed my sheep."

Peter explained and implied that others would bring in doctrines that deny (ignor) Christ and the power of the cross.

Peter explained that the prophecies of the word is not subjected to private interpretation....

Hello??

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Really??? Is that what Peter is saying????
The present truth that Peter was teaching about is the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the power of God's word keep us from falling. Peter tells us that God's word give us everything to a life of Godliness.
Peter would have been negligent if he preached somethingelse because Jesus appeared to him and commanded Him to "feed my sheep."

Peter explained and implied that others would bring in doctrines that deny (ignor) Christ and the power of the cross.

Peter explained that the prophecies of the word is not subjected to private interpretation....

Hello??

Hello


Seeing as how there is no 'Thus sayeth the Lord' in regards to Sabbath keeping being abolished, aren't you participating in private interpretation?

I feel pretty safe in standing on what Jesus taught, Sabbath keeping included.

 

[Stryder06]

Hello


Seeing as how there is no 'Thus sayeth the Lord' in regards to Sabbath keeping being abolished, aren't you participating in private interpretation?

I feel pretty safe in standing on what Jesus taught, Sabbath keeping included.

It would seem to be more along the lines of corporate consensus.

 

[Cribstyl]

Hello


Seeing as how there is no 'Thus sayeth the Lord' in regards to Sabbath keeping being abolished, aren't you participating in private interpretation?

I feel pretty safe in standing on what Jesus taught, Sabbath keeping included.

Where does the book of 2peter talk about the keeping the law or sabbathkeeping? You're raising a false argument. The private interpretation is what tells christians that they're under the law. Moses taught the law, Jesus taught the gospel of the kingdom.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

It would seem to be more along the lines of corporate consensus.

Ahh yes, the traditions of men thing...

 

[Stryder06]

Where does the book of 2peter talk about the keeping the law or sabbathkeeping? You're raising a false argument. The private interpretation is what tells christians that they're under the law. Moses taught the law, Jesus taught the gospel of the kingdom.

Actually the law is part of the gospel, but to accept that would mean a change in your entire theology. Don't forget, Jesus ans His Father are one. It was Christ pre-incarnate who administered the law to Israel in the first place.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Where does the book of 2peter talk about the keeping the law or sabbathkeeping? You're raising a false argument. The private interpretation is what tells christians that they're under the law. Moses taught the law, Jesus taught the gospel of the kingdom.

Thats odd, I was sure that Jesus talked about the Sabbath as well as the other Commandments.

 

[Revelation 14:6-12]

Really??? Is that what Peter is saying????
The present truth that Peter was teaching about is the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the power of God's word keep us from falling. Peter tells us that God's word give us everything to a life of Godliness.
Peter would have been negligent if he preached somethingelse because Jesus appeared to him and commanded Him to "feed my sheep."

Peter explained and implied that others would bring in doctrines that deny (ignor) Christ and the power of the cross.

Peter explained that the prophecies of the word is not subjected to private interpretation....

Hello??

Look at the context of 2 Peter:

For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 2 Peter 1:16

[Mount of Transfiguration, example an typology given]

We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 2 Peter 1:19

Surely does Peter speak of the Second Advent, and the Prophecies of it. As for the Gospel, see again the Everlasting Gospel, the Second Advent of Christ Jesus and the Message of the Present Truth going forth today in Revelation 14:6-12 and Revelation 18.

Just as the Present Truth in Noahs day that the Flood was coming... as it was in the days of Noe... so in the day of the Son of Man...

Noah was a Preacher of Righteousness...

Do we live by our own commandments apart from that which is God's?

Thinkest thou this to be right, [that] thou saidst, My righteousness [is] more than God's? Job 35:2

...

Before the LORD: for he cometh, for he cometh to judge the earth: he shall judge the world with righteousness, and the people with his truth. Psalms 96:13

...

My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments [are] righteousness. Psalms 119:172

Thou [art] near, O LORD; and all thy commandments [are] truth. Psalms 119:151

The Cross forever seals the fact that the Ten Commandments are Eternal, unalterable, unchangeable, immutable, that God's Justice is as High as His Love.

 

[Cribstyl]

Look at the context of 2 Peter:

For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 2 Peter 1:16

[Mount of Transfiguration, example an typology given]

We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 2 Peter 1:19

Surely does Peter speak of the Second Advent, and the Prophecies of it. As for the Gospel, see again the Everlasting Gospel, the Second Advent of Christ Jesus and the Message of the Present Truth going forth today in Revelation 14:6-12 and Revelation 18.

Just as the Present Truth in Noahs day that the Flood was coming... as it was in the days of Noe... so in the day of the Son of Man...

Noah was a Preacher of Righteousness...

Do we live by our own commandments apart from that which is God's?

Thinkest thou this to be right, [that] thou saidst, My righteousness [is] more than God's? Job 35:2

...

Before the LORD: for he cometh, for he cometh to judge the earth: he shall judge the world with righteousness, and the people with his truth. Psalms 96:13

...

My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments [are] righteousness. Psalms 119:172

Thou [art] near, O LORD; and all thy commandments [are] truth. Psalms 119:151

The Cross forever seals the fact that the Ten Commandments are Eternal, unalterable, unchangeable, immutable, that God's Justice is as High as His Love.

LOL surely you jest.

 

[Cribstyl]

Actually the law is part of the gospel, but to accept that would mean a change in your entire theology. Don't forget, Jesus ans His Father are one. It was Christ pre-incarnate who administered the law to Israel in the first place.

Can you show some scriptures to prove that the law is part of the gospel?

 

[Revelation 14:6-12]

LOL surely you jest.

There is no jesting, only sorrow that so many will choose to perish.

They will say "Lord, Lord...", they will even be wanting to be called by His name:

And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach. Isaiah 4:1

A woman in prophecy is a Church. They will claim to lay hold upon the one "man" Christ Jesus. Yet they do not want His Bread [Word of God], and refuse to wear His Righteousness and want their own [clothes are a symbol of Character], and yet they desire to be called by His Name, so that their "reproach" might be taken away, and their true Nakedness not be seen...

They claim to follow God, yet are just as Judas... they betray Him.

If ye love me, keep my commandments. John 14:15

Right out of the Ten Commandments, which Jesus Himself gave.

And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments. Exodus 20:6

And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments. Deuteronomy 5:10

Grace and Obedience:

I [am] the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Exodus 20:2

And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments. Exodus 20:6

Grace and Obedience:

She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more. John 8:11

Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 1 John 3:4

"...Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin." [John 8:34]

Jesus does not want us in bondage to Sin, Satan and Selfishness...

...He wants us to be at "liberty"...

Herein we know that we love God and our Neighbour:

By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 1 John 5:2

For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 1 JOhn 5:3

 

[Revelation 14:6-12]

Can you show some scriptures to prove that the law is part of the gospel?

Sure:

And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, Revelation 14:6

Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. Revelation 14:7

The 4th Commandment...being preached in the Everlasting Gospel...

"...the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is]..." Exodus 20:11


"Fear GOD": [Ecclesiastes 12:13; Psalms 111:10]


"give glory to HIM": [Psalms 29:2; 1 Chronicles 16:29; Jeremiah 13:16; Joshua 7:19; Luke 17:18; Acts 12:23; Romans 4:20; 1 Corinthians 10:31; Philippians 1:11, 2:11; Revelation 15:4, 16:9]


"the hour of HIS Judgment is come": [Daniel means "GOD is my Judge", Day of Atonement is the time of judgment, Laodicea means a "judging of the people", "judgment shall begin at the house of GOD...") According to Leviticus 16 and 23, Daniel, Gospels, Hebrews and Revelation (etc), we are currently in the last days, in the anti-typical day of atonement, in the time of judgment, when CHRIST JESUS our HIGHPRIEST is now in the Heavenly Sanctuary and is in the MOST HOLY PLACE...]


[SEAL OF GOD contains, Name, Title, Territory, and is set in the Holy Law, in the only Commandment with the word "Holy" in it...the 4th Commandment]

"worship" [Exodus 34:14; Psalms 22:7, 29:2, 66:4, 86:9, 95:6; Isaiah 66:23; John 4:23-24; Acts 24:14; Philippians 3:3; Revelation 14:7, 15:4, 19:10, 22:9]

"HIM" [Exodus 6:3, 20:11; Psalms 83:18; Isaiah 12:2, 26:4] [Name: YHVH/YHWH]


"that made": [Genesis 2:2-3; Exodus 20:8-11; John 1:1-3; 1 Corinthians 8:6; Ephesians 3:9; ] [Title: MAKER/CREATOR]


"Heaven, and Earth, and the Sea": [Exodus 20:11] [Territory/Authority/Kingdom: ALL THINGS]


"and the Fountains of Waters": [Genesis 6] [Judge who executes Judgement]

 

[Cribstyl]

Sure:

And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, Revelation 14:6

Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. Revelation 14:7

The 4th Commandment...being preached in the Everlasting Gospel...

"...the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is]..." Exodus 20:11


"Fear GOD": [Ecclesiastes 12:13; Psalms 111:10]


"give glory to HIM": [Psalms 29:2; 1 Chronicles 16:29; Jeremiah 13:16; Joshua 7:19; Luke 17:18; Acts 12:23; Romans 4:20; 1 Corinthians 10:31; Philippians 1:11, 2:11; Revelation 15:4, 16:9]


"the hour of HIS Judgment is come": [Daniel means "GOD is my Judge", Day of Atonement is the time of judgment, Laodicea means a "judging of the people", "judgment shall begin at the house of GOD...") According to Leviticus 16 and 23, Daniel, Gospels, Hebrews and Revelation (etc), we are currently in the last days, in the anti-typical day of atonement, in the time of judgment, when CHRIST JESUS our HIGHPRIEST is now in the Heavenly Sanctuary and is in the MOST HOLY PLACE...]


[SEAL OF GOD contains, Name, Title, Territory, and is set in the Holy Law, in the only Commandment with the word "Holy" in it...the 4th Commandment]

"worship" [Exodus 34:14; Psalms 22:7, 29:2, 66:4, 86:9, 95:6; Isaiah 66:23; John 4:23-24; Acts 24:14; Philippians 3:3; Revelation 14:7, 15:4, 19:10, 22:9]

"HIM" [Exodus 6:3, 20:11; Psalms 83:18; Isaiah 12:2, 26:4] [Name: YHVH/YHWH]


"that made": [Genesis 2:2-3; Exodus 20:8-11; John 1:1-3; 1 Corinthians 8:6; Ephesians 3:9; ] [Title: MAKER/CREATOR]


"Heaven, and Earth, and the Sea": [Exodus 20:11] [Territory/Authority/Kingdom: ALL THINGS]


"and the Fountains of Waters": [Genesis 6] [Judge who executes Judgement]

Is that your final answer?

 

[Revelation 14:6-12]

Is that your final answer?

No, it is merely the beginning...

 

[Stryder06]

Can you show some scriptures to prove that the law is part of the gospel?

Crib what is the Gospel? Is it not the good news that Jesus came, died, was resurrected, and now makes intercession before the Father for us? Let's start there if you don't mind.

 

[Cribstyl]

Crib what is the Gospel? Is it not the good news that Jesus came, died, was resurrected, and now makes intercession before the Father for us? Let's start there if you don't mind.

Thank you Stryder you're on point so far.

Hopefully you connect how the law is part of the gospel, before hostility flies.

 

[Stryder06]

Thank you Stryder you're on point so far.

Hopefully you connect how the law is part of the gospel, before hostility flies.

I have no intention on getting hostile. If we're agreed on this then let me ask you this. Do you agree that Christ is our High Priest? Of course you do.

That being settled, we know that the high priest on earth officiated on behalf of the people, standing between them and God (symbolically). Do we agree thus far?

Forgive me for the short responses, I just don't want to go on and on if we're disagreeing.

 

[Cribstyl]

I have no intention on getting hostile. If we're agreed on this then let me ask you this. Do you agree that Christ is our High Priest? Of course you do.

That being settled, we know that the high priest on earth officiated on behalf of the people, standing between them and God (symbolically). Do we agree thus far?

Forgive me for the short responses, I just don't want to go on and on if we're disagreeing.

Yes.....We agree that Christ is the High Priest. Yes,This is part of the gospel according to what Paul taught. Hopefully we wont let questionable commentary have the final word.
Please go on...

 

[Stryder06]

Yes.....We agree that Christ is the High Priest. Yes,This is part of the gospel according to what Paul taught. Hopefully we wont let questionable commentary have the final word.
Please go on...

Well everything I've said so far would be commentary wouldn't it

If we agree that Christ is our Great High Priest, we should understand why He is our Great High Priest.

A wise man used to answer every question I asked him with the following phrase "Go back to the sanctuary".

The whole of the gospel is wrapped up in the sanctuary model that Christ gave Moses on the mountain. Are you still with me?