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The article in the link below does a good job overall of describing my viewpoint on the topic.

Using the Old Testament to interpret the New Testament often causes confusion.


Gog of Magog - Here a little, there a little - Prophecy

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Joh 21:20  Then Peter, turning around, saw the disciple whom Jesus loved following, who also had leaned on His breast at the supper, and said, "Lord, who is the one who betrays You?" 
Joh 21:21  Peter, seeing him, said to Jesus, "But Lord, what about this man?" 
Joh 21:22  Jesus said to him, "If I will that he remain till I come, what is that to you? You follow Me." 
Joh 21:23  Then this saying went out among the brethren that this disciple would not die. Yet Jesus did not say to him that he would not die, but, "If I will that he remain till I come, what is that to you?" 
Joh 21:24  This is the disciple who testifies of these things, and wrote these things; and we know that his testimony is true. 
Joh 21:25  And there are also many other things that Jesus did, which if they were written one by one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that would be written. Amen. 

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I agree with you.
 
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So you in essence are saying that you do not believe that Jesus Christ is God in the flesh and also that you reject the Trinity.
 
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There are NO contradictions in the Scriptures. Deeper study shows that the Word of God is exactly that.
 
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Revelation 1:1-6...............
"The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show to His servants what must soon take place; and He made it known by sending His angel to His servant John, who bore witness to the Word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw.
(John 1:1, In the beginning was the WORD and the Word was with God and the Word was God") Blessed is he who reads aloud the words of the prophecy, and blessed are those who hear, and who keep what is written therein; for the time is near. John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven spirits who are before His throne, and from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the first-born of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth. To Him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by His blood and made us a kingdom, priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen."

As stated in the Scriptures above, although The Apostle John wrote the Book of Revelation.
 
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LOL....Angel means Messenger of God........................GET OUT.
 
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Agreed!

IMO, the Revelation is the "in-veiling" of the Old Test. prophecies.
 
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I disagree completely with your thinking.

Personally, I know many Nazarene believers and not a single one of them have the interpretations of Scripture that you are putting forth.

For you to say that the Revelation should not be in the canon of Scriptures leaves me speechless.

I have to ask you this question. Are you a born again believer in the Lord Jesus Christ?
 
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I agree with you.

There is also the following piece of evidence that connects the Book of Revelation to the Book of John.

There are two types of resurrections in John chapter 5.

The one found below is the spiritual resurrection from the dead upon coming to faith in Christ.

Joh 5:24  "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.


The second is the resurrection of the body, which occurs when Christ returns.
Below we find the resurrection of the dead bracketed by two verses which make it plain that Christ is the judge.


Joh 5:27  and has given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of Man. 

Joh 5:28  Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 

Joh 5:29  and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. 

Joh 5:30  I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me. 



It is my opinion that "the first resurrection" mentioned in Revelation chapter 20 is the spiritual resurrection. If the same man recorded both of these passages it would make perfect sense that he is referring to the same concept in another book that he had written.

Rev 20:4  And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

(John saw "souls". Where are souls now living with Christ?)
 


Rev 20:5  But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 

Rev 20:6  Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years. 
(A person who has been passed from spiritual death to spiritual life, through faith in Christ, need not fear the death of the body.)

This would put the resurrection of the body at the end of Revelation chapter 20, when the books are read.

Php_4:3  And I urge you also, true companion, help these women who labored with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and the rest of my fellow workers, whose names are in the Book of Life.


In the verse above Paul mentions the fact that our names are written in the Book of Life.

What is the time of the judgment of the dead?

Rev 11:18  The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come, And the time of the dead, that they should be judged, And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints, And those who fear Your name, small and great, And should destroy those who destroy the earth." 



This occurs right after the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Book of Revelation. At this moment the kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of God and Christ "forever". How long is forever? (Revelation 11:15)

Most people skip over Revelation 11:18, because they cannot make it fit.
It does not fit many interpretations of the book, because the book is not in chronological order. Instead, it is a series of overlapping visions.

The Second coming is found at the end of chapter 6 with those hiding from the wrath of the Lamb. It is found at the end of chapter 11. It is found in the "harvest" of chapter 14. It is found when He returns "as a thief" in Revelation 16:15. It is found in chapter 19 and at the end of chapter 20.

The reference to returning "as a thief" is also found in 1 Thessalonians 5:2 and 2 Peter 3:10. These other references that refer to the same idea of coming "as a thief" reveal that the Book of Revelation was written by the same author as the other New Testament books.
The true author is God.


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