Truth For All Ages

[EastCoastRemnant]

"The moral law, contained in the Ten Commandments and
enforced by the prophets, He did not take away. It was not the design of His coming to revoke any
part of this. This is a law which never can be broken, which 'stands fast as the faithful witness in
heaven.' . . . This was from the beginning of the world, being 'written not on tables of stone,' but on
the hearts of all the children of men, when they came out of the hands of the Creator. And however
the letters once wrote by the finger of God are now in a great measure defaced by sin, yet can they
not wholly be blotted out, while we have any consciousness of good and evil. Every part of this law
must remain in force upon all mankind, and in all ages; as not depending either on time or place, or
any other circumstances liable to change, but on the nature of God, and the nature of man, and their
unchangeable relation to each other.
"'I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.' . . . Without question, His meaning in this place is
(consistently with all that goes before and follows after),--I am come to establish it in its fullness, in
spite of all the glosses of men: I am come to place in a full and clear view whatsoever was dark or
obscure therein: I am come to declare the true and full import of every part of it; to show the length
and breadth, the entire extent, of every commandment contained therein, and the
height and depth, the inconceivable purity and spirituality of it in all its branches."

 

[fozzy]

Every part of the old covenant was fulfilled in the new covenant. The temple was a pattern of the real temple in heaven that the Lord pitched and not man. The Levitical priesthood was a type of Jesus as our great high priest and the priesthood of believers who offer up spiritual sacrifices. The various sacrifices and feasts all pointed forward to different aspects of the one true sacrifice of Christ on the cross for the sins of the world. The spring feasts having their fulfillment in the death, burial and resurrection and Pentecost where the Holy Spirit was poured out. The fall feasts will be fulfilled just prior to the second coming with the day of atonement and complete removal of sin forever. And finally there was the ark of the covenant that housed the law or ten commandments. The law in stone is not the real law. The real law is in heaven in the real ark under the throne of the Father - Rev. 11:19.

As with the other aspects the shadows shared similarities with the real thing. The law was adapted to the lives of the Israelites in the times in which they lived. The world was an agrarian society back then so there were many laws that dealt with animals and crops which would not apply to most people today. I am not going to covet my neighbors ox or ass but I might covet his Ferrari which shows the dated aspects of the law. Also we know that the real law governs angels and angels do have Fathers or Mothers and can't commit adultery so those commandments would not even apply to them. The real law which is housed in heaven governs all created beings and the bible is silent on what is actually written on it. Suffice to say that God's agape love is the principle that runs through the whole thing so if we have love we are fulfilling the law and have passed from death to life.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

The real law which is housed in heaven governs all created beings and the bible is silent on what is actually written on it. Suffice to say that God's agape love is the principle that runs through the whole thing so if we have love we are fulfilling the law and have passed from death to life.

Your kidding right? So now you are postulating that God didn't bother to give us any idea of His TRUE law/character... but it must be good.

The gospel according to Fozzy...

Brother, you are treading on dangerous ground... if no one else believes as you do, what makes you think it's light from Heaven? Are you the only one to be called?? Are you the latter day John the Baptist come with another gospel?

 

[fozzy]

Your kidding right? So now you are postulating that God didn't bother to give us any idea of His TRUE law/character... but it must be good.

The gospel according to Fozzy...

Brother, you are treading on dangerous ground... if no one else believes as you do, what makes you think it's light from Heaven? Are you the only one to be called?? Are you the latter day John the Baptist come with another gospel?

If your going to quote your false prophet Jezebel you should at least give her the credit. Your opening spiel sounds like something she wrote not you. That's very dishonest but I would expect nothing less from a member of the synagogue of Satan. Hey, Adventists are in the bible! Jesus said it not me so don't get mad. You can't honestly claim to be a member of a church because a church is a group of believers and you don't believe as your opening post so aptly illustrates.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Actually Mr. Fozzy, the OP was written 100 years before Adventism and was given, by inspiration, through John Wesley.

I intentionally didn't list the author KNOWING you would take the bait it your hatred for our faith.... "by their fruits you shall know them"... if you think you are divinely inspired, your words and emotions witness volumes against you.

I can provide other quotes for you from other non Adventists... reformers that God gave a measure of His truth to, truth that supports many of our doctrines. Sister White was just one in a line of inspired people that kept God's truth through the ages and added to the increasing light given from God.

 

[fozzy]

Actually Mr. Fozzy, the OP was written 100 years before Adventism and was given, by inspiration, through John Wesley.

I intentionally didn't list the author KNOWING you would take the bait it your hatred for our faith.... "by their fruits you shall know them"... if you think you are divinely inspired, your words and emotions witness volumes against you.

I can provide other quotes for you from other non Adventists... reformers that God gave a measure of His truth to, truth that supports many of our doctrines. Sister White was just one in a line of inspired people that kept God's truth through the ages and added to the increasing light given from God.

It doesn't matter who wrote it. It is wrong and your church is so in love with the law that your not really a church anymore. You actually resemble some type of synagogue structure where the law is preached every Sabbath. We are not under the law anymore. What part of that do you not understand? Christians are under grace which is the opposite of law. God does not give grace so that we can go back to the old covenant and keep the law. He gives grace so that we can stay under the new covenant and live by faith and love.

The other glaring error in the OP is that Jesus said that he came to fulfill the law and it would never be abolished. If we follow on he clarifies by saying the law and the prophets implying that he is not even talking about the ten commandments but the Torah or the first five books of Moses. When I open by bible today the first five books of Moses are still there, they haven't been abolished but they most certainly have been fulfilled. Jesus fulfilled all the types and shadows that pointed forward to him. I do not have to go back there especially since I am a Gentile Christian and those things were never for me to begin with.

I am not writing this for you because your faith is broken and there is little hope that you will ever see the truth. I am writing it for all those who have been duped by Adventists into worshipping the law. The law has destroyed millions of lives and never saved a single person. Grace on the other hand has saved the world and transformed millions of lives. Guess which one is better?

 

[ButterflyPoette]

I am not writing this for you because your faith is broken and there is little hope that you will ever see the truth. I am writing it for all those who have been duped by Adventists into worshipping the law. The law has destroyed millions of lives and never saved a single person. Grace on the other hand has saved the world and transformed millions of lives. Guess which one is better?

It is true that so many SDAs have made too much of a big deal about the Law. That is why so many people have left the church. That is why so many Christians out there won't have anything to do with SDA. There has been too much legalism.

 

[JojotheBeloved]

Fozzy,

You can believe and interpret as you wish. Everyone is free to do so. There is even room for thoughtful critique within the SDA Church, as there is in EVERY church or organization. We all need to grow and learn as time goes by, and institutions do need to be reformed sometimes. However, your comments are not thoughtful critiques. They are outright slander of a group you are not and do not wish to be a part of. It is completely within your rights to not be a part of a group which you do not agree with their beliefs. It is not right, no matter what, to continually slander people. There is a lot of diversity within the Seventh-day Adventist Church. Making broad and damaging generalizations is not accurate and not helpful to ANYONE.
In short - knock it off. You're not helping anyone. You're being a contemptibly obnoxious person.

 

[fozzy]

It is true that so many SDAs have made too much of a big deal about the Law. That is why so many people have left the church. That is why so many Christians out there won't have anything to do with SDA. There has been too much legalism.

This has been my experience as well. When I first became an Adventist I was actually more legalistic and fanatical than anyone on these boards. I can laugh about it now but back in the day it wasn't very funny. Jesus had to reveal the gospel to me and it took many painful years before he did. I learned a lot by going thru the trials and tribulations of my younger years. When I condemn legalists it's nothing that I haven't done myself probably ten times worse.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

Psalm 40:8
I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.

Perfection of faith and works.... not one, exclusive of the other

 

[JojotheBeloved]

This has been my experience as well. When I first became an Adventist I was actually more legalistic and fanatical than anyone on these boards. I can laugh about it now but back in the day it wasn't very funny. Jesus had to reveal the gospel to me and it took many painful years before he did. I learned a lot by going thru the trials and tribulations of my younger years. When I condemn legalists it's nothing that I haven't done myself probably ten times worse.

Since you say you were at one point an Adventist, please let me add...

I am sorry for any painful messages or condemning attitudes or harmful actions you may have experienced as a part of our church family. Unfortunately every family has some dysfunction in this world and it makes me sad to know that sometimes the dysfunction of our church family harms people and makes it difficult for them to know Christ. I'm glad that Christ revealed Himself to you in ways that you can connect with and understand.

Please understand though that the SDA Church family is very diverse and although there is dysfunction there is also genuine seeking of Jesus happening within this family. To generalize is inaccurate and to condemn is not Christ-like, no matter who does it. Please forgive, as Christ forgives.

"May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit" (Philemon 1:25).