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John 1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.
16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
19 And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou?
20 And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Christ.
21 And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.
22 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself?
23 He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias.
24 And they which were sent were of the Pharisees.
25 And they asked him, and said unto him, Why baptizest thou then, if thou be not that Christ, nor Elias, neither that prophet?
26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not;
27 He it is, who coming after me is preferred before me, whose shoe's latchet I am not worthy to unloose.
28 These things were done in Bethabara beyond Jordan, where John was baptizing.
29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
30 This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me.
31 And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.
32 And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.
33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.
34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.
35 Again the next day after John stood, and two of his disciples;
36 And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!
37 And the two disciples heard him speak, and they followed Jesus.
38 Then Jesus turned, and saw them following, and saith unto them, What seek ye? They said unto him, Rabbi, (which is to say, being interpreted, Master,) where dwellest thou?
39 He saith unto them, Come and see. They came and saw where he dwelt, and abode with him that day: for it was about the tenth hour.
40 One of the two which heard John speak, and followed him, was Andrew, Simon Peter's brother.
41 He first findeth his own brother Simon, and saith unto him, We have found the Messias, which is, being interpreted, the Christ.
42 And he brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, A stone.
43 The day following Jesus would go forth into Galilee, and findeth Philip, and saith unto him, Follow me.
44 Now Philip was of Bethsaida, the city of Andrew and Peter.
45 Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.
46 And Nathanael said unto him, Can there any good thing come out of Nazareth? Philip saith unto him, Come and see.
47 Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and saith of him, Behold an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile!
48 Nathanael saith unto him, Whence knowest thou me? Jesus answered and said unto him, Before that Philip called thee, when thou wast under the fig tree, I saw thee.
49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.
50 Jesus answered and said unto him, Because I said unto thee, I saw thee under the fig tree, believest thou? thou shalt see greater things than these.
51 And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.
 

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This thread is established for the discussion of truth, all facets and manifestations of it.

This thread is established under the grace of God, which we thankfully and humbly accept.

Please understand that truth and grace are the focus of this thread, and this is as all-encompassing as it sounds.

As the "OP" I would request that nobody request this thread to be closed, no matter what the subject of discussion may become.

With as much foresight as I can muster, I proclaim that there will be no such thing as an off-topic post here.
 
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John 1:17
For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

This verse, and what it implies, both implicity and explicitly, are where the name for this thread was derived.

May we first discuss this verse?

I believe that if I were to sum up the 'religion' that I follow, I would sum it up by saying my religion are truth and grace, for that is what Jesus Christ brought to us, for us.

I would like to start with a question a little bit difficult to ask, as well as answer.

Is truth infinite? Is grace?
 
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May I share this tid bit I came across today?


TINA DYER
November 2, 2006
It is here I will attempt to help you understand the call as a revivalist. When we look at others who have gone before us, it can help us with where we find ourselves currently. Though we see through a glass darkly, it still helps to catch just a glimpse of what we are going through.
We could be called " forerunners" or " revivalists" or " reformers"....
It can be seen as one who runs in front of the crowd. One who will search out the best path for others who will soon follow. One who will be the first to encounter un-plowed territory or land. Your vision or prespective will be vastly different from others as your eyesight will see from a completely different vantage point.You are much like the " Pioneers " of old who headed west in search of new land to settle in. They had to trail blaze through unihabited land to make a way for others to cross with ease.They were " way makers" and " visionaries". What kept them pressing forward was a dream, a dream that held great promise of a better land in which to settle and grow strong roots.

This fire placed within you was placed there by the Lord of Glory Himself. Knowing this is from Him will help us to continue in the journey though many obstacles will be encountered. We press for the mark of the high calling of Christ.

The cost is great. It could cost you everything you and then some. You will be frequently mis-understood, rejected, slandered, ridiculed, mocked, condemned, betrayed and left by your closest loved ones. The greatest pain will come from those that you love the most. It will come from friends who you thought to be faithful. This walk is indeed very lonely. But yet He is asking, " will you follow Me as I lead?"

I can only pray that your answer will be " Yes, Lord, let it be unto me, according to Your will".
Brokeness will be a requirement. He will insist upon it. To be a vessel fit for His glory to reside and for Him to trust you, brokeness must come. There will come a time when one will begin to accept the refiners fire and actually ask for more of it. Those who have been given the revelation of just how precious that refiners is, knowing that it is bringing us forth as gold. I liken this brokeness to the story of Mary who sat at the feet of Jesus as the pharisees rebuked her. She took the bottle of alabaster and BROKE the bottle and the seal so that she could anoint her beloved Jesus with her most precious gift. She wiped His feet with her tears as she poured out her love to Him. Beloved, YOU are that bottle that needs to be broken. When broken, the fragrance of that brokeness will be so glorious before the Lord that it will rise to His nostrils and be most pleasing in His sight.
The breaking brings forth humility and a contrite spirit which is of great worth in the sight of the King. Continual resistance from outside forces will only cause you to push in that much closer to the Lord. To remain stagnant would be like death to a revivalist. For it is built within them an internal push that cannot remain still. Mundane routines are very hard for them to endure. For a fire is blazing within them, the fire of a revivalist.

Like the pioneers of old, they will encounter great difficulty. Some included impassable mountains, dense brush, severe weather, sickness and disease, wild animals, hunger and thirst as well as enemies. You can be certain there was much fighting in the ranks. It would take a strong leader to endure through it all. The pioneers battles were mostly in the natural but what drove them to succeed was a dream. Our battle will occur in the mind, the natural and in the spiritual realm. But always keep in mind that the King of Kings goes before you and will light your path. If He is for us, who can be against us? He never said this walk would be easy. He only said, pick up your cross and follow me. He is still saying that today. May our spirit be quick to say " yes Lord, I will follow You wherever You lead".

Halleluiah to the King.......

The Lord will build His church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it.
 
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Thank you for this tid bit. It is an interesting perspective, and it is shared in an interesting way.

Here is a question, one you should not feel obligated to answer, but perhaps you may be asking it already-- Where in this is prayer mentioned as the way to revival? Other than telling us what her prayer for us is, the author of this discourse does not mention that prayer is essential to the revival of a soul or body.

My understanding is that to be part of revival, one needs to pray fervently that God would begin revival in their own heart.

As for prayer, we are not pioneers, nor are we forerunners. To pray for revival is to pray for a return to the Life once had, that being Jesus Christ. I'd caution anyone looking for revival in some new uncharted territory, and so I do now.
 
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Infinite:

1 : extending indefinitely : [SIZE=-1]ENDLESS[/SIZE] <infinite space>
2 : immeasurably or inconceivably great or extensive : [SIZE=-1]INEXHAUSTIBLE[/SIZE] <infinite patience>
3 : subject to no limitation or external determination
4 a : extending beyond, lying beyond, or being greater than any preassigned finite value however large


i wanted to first look up the definition to assure that before I answered the context in which I desired to answer would be understood. I'm taking it that you're asking in reference to Christ so that is how I'll answer. I feel that yes, Grace is infinite coming from our Savior, it goes hand in hand with forgiveness, imho. Truth can be both infinite and temporary. Such as the truth that the sky is light blue is temporary. Because at night it is no longer light blue(probably a lame example but yeah...). The truth that Christ is ever-loving is infinite.
 
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John 1:17
For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

This verse, and what it implies, both implicity and explicitly, are where the name for this thread was derived.

May we first discuss this verse?

I believe that if I were to sum up the 'religion' that I follow, I would sum it up by saying my religion are truth and grace, for that is what Jesus Christ brought to us, for us.

I would like to start with a question a little bit difficult to ask, as well as answer.

Is truth infinite? Is grace?

Grace definitely is infinite and Praise God for that or I'd definitely be in trouble.

But truth, I find hard to say it is infinite as I think of truth as the knowledge of God or His Word, what He stands for. God Himself, of course is infinite, but His truth I feel is clearly finite. It has a beginning it has an end, His truth has something that it accomplishes within each of us, but it is still contained; it cannot be changed, thus it is not ongoing. Perhaps I think of it in the wrong pretext, but I definitely think of truth as finite. What is in His Word is in His Word and cannot be contradicted or added too, thus making it finite.

Now, if you think of truth in a time-sense manner than it would be infinite, because His truth would never not be relevant.
Truth is always relevant, but the composition of truth itself, definitely finite.

Sennaria
 
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