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"Trusting" God...

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Van

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HM, save the bully-boy tactics such as refering to my post as "What a load," I am not interested in your personal disparagement of me. Yes, I used JFK's well known saying to make a scriptural point about prayer. Pray is not about testing God but about asking God to help us serve Him. The fields are white for the harvest, should we pray for God to save them? Or should we pray for more workers. And when we pray for more workers we should consider how we could become a worker or a more effective worker. Ask not what God can do for you, but what you can do for God.
 
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This whole business of trusting God is completely alien to me.

Let's look at the scenario posed in the OP. What does trusting God look like in this case? Is the act of trusting God with the safety of one's family expressed in removing all one's door locks, fire alarms, phones, etc? No one does this. Even the most fervent believer, walking in the full expectation of miracles from God each and every day, does not act insensibly as an expression of this "trust". Believers do not picket hospitals and police departments out of a righteous desire to remove these temptations of trusting that which is not God. There is, in this context, no case of trusting God.

Accordingly, therefore, it is meaningless to fear that acting sensibly means you don't trust God.

So what is the meat of the problem here? What is really going on? There are two problems with this proposition - what we mean by trust, and what we mean by God.

You cannot say that you trust something without the suggestion that it is possible for that trust to be betrayed. For example, you never hear anyone talk about trusting the sun to shine, because it is inconceivable that it will fail to shine. Is it possible for God to betray you?

The second problem is one of scope. It is imagined that there is a line drawn across the universe such that God is only on one side of it. In the case of this discussion, that which is considered to be on the other side is sensible action to protect one's family. This is nonsense. The reason we don't picket hospitals and police stations is because we know that God is in those places, too. God's power pervades all things. All.

How is it that we have arrived at such incredible misconceptions that there are places God cannot go and things with which he cannot be "trusted"? These ideas are completely incompatible with the nature of God. Where did we get them? We confused the nature with the concept. If you say the word "God" out loud (do it, right now), it is just a sound. If I write it here, it is simply an arrangement of electrons on your computer screen. If I write the most beautiful piece of prose about the incredible magnitude of God, those words cannot approach that which they represent. I could craft the most gloriously open-ended concepts anyone has ever read, and if you took my words to be the nature of God rather that the concept, we will both get it wrong. We will wind up with a God in a cage, like a lifeless child's toy, which we will begin to speak of trusting because we never actually see it do anything.

This is idolatry. To confuse something which represents God for the actual surpassing, timeless, infinite presence of God is to worship an idol. We know that idols can be physical objects. But the worst objects of all are objects of the mind - concepts and words.

God is not that which is imagined. He is unimaginable. God is not that of which we speak. There are no words. God is not what we think he is, for he is beyond our thoughts.
 
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In regards to the OP concerning Trust:

Trust basically means: reliance on the integrity, strength, ability, surety, etc., of a person or thing; confidence; to rely upon.

To trust in the Lord implies a willingness to obey and follow the directions of the one in whom we trust. To trust in the Lord does not absolve us of our responsibilities. We put our confidence in the Lord.

Unfortunately, some in the church have taken trusting in the Lord to a wrong extreme in different ways. Sadly some who use trust as a cloak for fear, lazyness, selfishness, ignorance, etc.

Agreed. :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
 
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[FONT=&quot]God will not always spare us from bodily harm or emotional pain. But we can trust that God will give us the strength to endure the hardships we face. He will never leave us and He will never forsake us. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]In regards to trusting God to heal us, I think praying and fasting are important. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]I think we also need to believe without doubt that God will heal us if it is His will. And if it is not His will, we should not lose faith but still rejoice in Him, for through the blood of Jesus Christ we may have eternal life. [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Van... why wouldn’t God want us to pray for the lost?? Does not the bible tell us to love one another? Indeed we should pray that God will help us to help others. But also pray that the hearts of those who are lost will be opened to God. Pray that they will hear the words of the holy gospel and take it to heart.

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]We can do nothing without God...even our faith is not of our own.[/FONT]
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And Van, please remember that God wants us to treat others as we would like to be treated. Huntingman disagreed with what you said, he did not slander your name like you did to him. You did so by telling everyone to disregard his posts in this thread and others and that they are fabrications.
Incase you were to use the fact that he said he may put you on ignore and that you are distracting as an example of him doing the same to you, I do not belive it is. He did not tell everyone to ignore you, Nor did he say you distract anyone else. Neither did he accuse your posts here and everywhere else to be fabricated.
And yes, I have disagreed with Huntingman before, but it does not give us the right to such comments.

I mean you no offense, but wish to kindly rebuke you in your error, Just as I hope to be rebuked when I act in anything other than love for my neighbour.
I do humbly apologize if in any other posts he has slanderded your name.



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