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So we can credit Trump for preventing SkyNet's takeover?

-- A2SG, maybe he just doesn't like competition.....
 
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@AlexB23 is our AI guru. Maybe we could ask him to paste that first speech into the AI of his choice and get it to estimate the age of the person making it.
 
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Like I've already told you, being wrong doesn't equate to rambling. So Trump could have been wrong on all these it's still related to the question. Hence it's not rambling.


Kamala Harris on the other hand...


Yeah, she immediately said that unemployment was better.


Obviously because there was a pandemic and the country shut down. This a normal part of the recovery.


That public health was better.

Expected after a pandemic.


"The Black unemployment rate, which the Bureau of Labor Statistics has been tracking since 1972, dropped in April 2023 to 4.8% — the lowest point on record. But the most recent data show that the Black unemployment rate, as of August, was 6.1% — exactly where it was in February 2020, when former President Donald Trump was in power.

The economic effects of the COVID-19 pandemic drove up unemployment rates for all Americans. At its worst during the pandemic, the Black unemployment rate reached a high of 16.9% in April 2020. When Trump left office, the rate improved, but still remained high at 9.3%.

Prior to the pandemic, Black unemployment had reached a low of 5.3% under Trump in August and September 2019. That was a record until last year.

Despite the immediate and lingering effects of the pandemic, the average monthly unemployment rates during the Trump (7.9%) and Biden (6.5%) administrations were below the historical average of 11.4%, dating to January 1972."


"Harris also repeated her false claim that the Biden administration “came in during the worst unemployment since the Great Depression.” When she made a similar claim during the Sept. 10 debate, we wrote that the unemployment rate was 6.4% when Trump left office in January 2021. That was lower than it was during several administrations since the 1930s."





She went on to say that were things like groceries higher? Yes, they were. And that she and the government had more work to do (I'm not going to waste my time explaining to you the reasons for global inflation).


So people are worse off than they were 4 years ago? Okay, got it.


So did we watch the same video?


Yes, and she never answered the question.


I should help you out here and tell you that schoolyard type mimicry doesn't work very well in forums like this.


It's not "schoolyard type mimicry" it's holding you up to your own standards. If your arguments are unbias they should be able to be applied to both sides of politics.
 
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Like I've already told you, being wrong doesn't equate to rambling. So Trump could have been wrong on all these...
He was. All of his multiple and completely random topics dragged out over an execrable ten minutes having nothing to do with motor manufacturing jobs in Flint whatsoever. And I mean literally nothing.
it's still related to the question.
Not in any way in this universe.
Hence it's rambling.
Correct. A ten minute mish mash of unconnected, disconnected, rambling, mostly incoherent, nonsensically weird and barely comprehensible stream of consciousness that only resulted in a completely incorrect answer in the last 5 or 6 seconds. And that's putting it mildly. In my humble opinion.

Your mileage may vary.
 
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@AlexB23 is our AI guru. Maybe we could ask him to paste that first speech into the AI of his choice and get it to estimate the age of the person making it.
In theory, but if any of that speech refers back to Trump, then the AI could say the speech was by Trump. But, I could try.

This is what Meta AI said. I agree with its findings:

 
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He was. All of his multiple and completely random topics dragged out over an execrable ten minutes having nothing to do with motor manufacturing jobs in Flint whatsoever. And I mean literally nothing.

Not in any way in this universe.

Poor attempt at gaslighting. Everything he said was related to threats to jobs in America.



Typo aside, you perfectly described Kamala Harris. The fact that you ignored the proof that Kamala never answered the question is telling.
 
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I would never either, but I would be sick of his ramblings by now, people keep leaving his rallies, and I suspect 90% isn't because they don't want him to be president, but why sit there and listen to an incorherant rant for 2 or so hours.
 
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In theory, but if any of that speech refers back to Trump, then the AI could say the speech was by Trump. But, I could try.

This is what Meta AI said. I agree with its findings:

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can't trust AI it has a well known liberal bias /s
 
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I would never either, but I would be sick of his ramblings by now, people keep leaving his rallies, and I suspect 90% isn't because they don't want him to be president, but why sit there and listen to an incorherant rant for 2 or so hours.
The people watching might be kind of fun. That could be more entertaining than the main attraction.
 
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Trump does give one word answers. And he is consistent.
When asked specifically what he would do about inflated grocery prices, he said, "Energy."
I do not agree with him sometimes but he answers concisely and always the same.

Kamala, there is no there there.
Kamala shifts with the wind.
Now it is "Inflation is due to greedy gouger grocery stores but there are very few of them."
This was after she proposed imposing price controls on all of them because All of them were greedy gougers.
Don't know from one day to the next what she is for, even if she does state policies. She changes her positions with a wag of her tongue.
 
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LOL How silly. All of my mine are consistent. Yours are literally contradictory when you compare the two. It's cool, man. Remain in denial if you wish. We agree on why, though, don't we?
 
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Haha, good one. But yes, sometimes AI does have a bias it seems.

if it does, it's probably the same one reality does :> As the old saying goes, "Reality has a well known liberal bias." least when it comes to the pandemic, evolution, climate change and stuff that isn't just opinions.
 
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if it does, it's probably the same one reality does :> As the old saying goes, "Reality has a well known liberal bias." least when it comes to the pandemic, evolution, climate change and stuff that isn't just opinions.
Bro, reality has a centrist bias, and is non-partisan. Not liberal, not conservative. Or maybe, I am a moderate, and have a moderate bias.

Some liberals like to bend reality to the liberal side, while conservatives bend the reality to the conservative side. Anyways, before I get too deep into debating liberalism as a centrist, I have to plug a question that someone asked about Aquinas into some artificial intelligence. My computer will run out of RAM, so I would not be able to use this site or have time to debate with a liberal until the computer is done thinking.
 
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well on many subjects it's liberal bias, tends to be things that the right has issues. And it's more joking about how often the republicans complain about liberal bias towards things like evolution/climate change wich like you say are centrist ideas, but tend to be taken up by the left and hated by the right.
 
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LOL How silly. All of my mine are consistent. Yours are literally contradictory when you compare the two. It's cool, man. Remain in denial if you wish. We agree on why, though, don't we?


"Is that how you would rather her answer questions? Like a robot using only the most efficient and necessary words with no explanation or other commentary?"


"Do they really want her to just state her one-line policies in answer to questions with no commentary or explanation? Do people really think that would make for good TV?"



Yet here you are complaining about Trump's answer where he did not answering questions "like a robot", added lots of commentary and providing good TV.
No consistency whatsoever.
 
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It's less about "reality having liberal bias" in that the right is not really a conservative movement, but a traditionalist/anti-modern/reactionary movement. (Once it could be about conserving traditions, now it is about returning to old, particularly pre-modern, ones.)

Various factions and influences on the right have pushed them against reality. Evolution (and science in general) has fought for a century because it challenges perceptions of traditional religion. Climate change was fought by the oil industry for a half century because it challenged their profits. Anti-science was pushed as "conservative", etc.
 
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Trump does give one word answers. And he is consistent.

Donald Trump said on Friday he will vote against Florida's abortion rights ballot amendment after all, as he tries to stem the backlash from anti-abortion Republicans for having suggested earlier that he might support the measure in November.
 
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Well, the American Solidarity Party (a centrist party) believes in climate change, but are also staunchly pro-life. My Republican co-worker is also pro-environment. This stuff is bipartisan, bro.
 
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