Trump says there will be ‘all hell to pay in the Middle East’ if hostages not released by January 20

[Valletta]

“Please let this TRUTH serve to represent that if the hostages are not released prior to January 20, 2025, the date that I proudly assume Office as President of the United States, there will be ALL HELL TO PAY in the Middle East, and for those in charge who perpetrated these atrocities against Humanity,” he says.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/trump-says-there-will-be-all-hell-to-pay-in-the-middle-east-if-hostages-not-released-by-january-20/

All lives are valuable, not just the elites in power.

 

[JosephZ]

So much for keeping the United States out of war.

 

[Valletta]

So much for keeping the United States out of war.

United States citizens were violently seized over a year ago. Joe has failed to produce the release of hostages. Now it's Trump's turn.

 

[FaithT]

So much for keeping the United States out of war.

Yep. I can’t trust a thing he says.

 

[Valletta]

Yep. I can’t trust a thing he says.

Pardoning Hunter after promising he would not SO many times was pretty bad.

 

[Richard T]

So much for keeping the United States out of war.

Yes, kind of arrogant of Trump when God said there would be wars. I suppose it could be tariffs but we don't buy much from Iran, and their proxies.
I just hope Trump is willing to defend NATO and our Pacific friends if needed. I support aid to Ukraine too, what a bargain to degrade Russia and lose no lives over it. If the war widens there, Trump should thank Biden and all the Ukraine.

 

[FaithT]

Pardoning Hunter after promising he would not SO many times was pretty bad.

True, but his promises aside, pardoning Hunter, his son, is more understandable than Trump planning to pardon the Jan. 6 rioters.

 

[ozso]

I have to shake my head when it comes to people carping over a president taking proactive steps to get hostages released. It just goes to show folks will automatically condemn anything and everything he does. It's like the old saying from his last term goes; if he cured cancer, they'd complain about it.

 

[Truth7t7]

I support aid to Ukraine too, what a bargain to degrade Russia and lose no lives over it. If the war widens there, Trump should thank Biden and all the Ukraine.

Ukrainian and Russian lives are a bargain?

 

[Valletta]

True, but his promises aside, pardoning Hunter, his son, is more understandable than Trump planning to pardon the Jan. 6 rioters.

What is "understandable" is a matter of perspective. As to the January 6th people, the numerous unjust sentences and the cover-up by Democrats was one of the reasons Trump was elected. A number of the sentences were outrageous and the victims of those sentences are considered political prisoners by many people. I am an outspoken advocate for transparency and look forward to records, including all video, being released to the public after Trump takes office. As with the hostage situation, Trump wants justice.

 

[Laodicean60]

I just hope Trump is willing to defend NATO and our Pacific friends if needed.

What makes you think he won't? It wouldn't be in America's best interest if we allowed an aggressor to take over Europe.

Ukrainian and Russian lives are a bargain?

I saw that too.

 

[Richard T]

What makes you think he won't? It wouldn't be in America's best interest if we allowed an aggressor to take over Europe.

I saw that too.

Is it in America's interest to let him take back ukraine? How much of it? If so then what if a year later he wants just another small Baltic Republic? Where do you draw the line? Same in the Pacific. The Taiwan agreement is far less solid than the Philippines. Would Trump care enough to honor. I don't think the question was ever asked yet alone answered. Opaqueness is good but it is easy to be skeptical of any politician.

 

[Richard T]

Ukrainian and Russian lives are a bargain?

No life is a bargain you have me there. Poorly worded. If you don't want that deal with Ukraine you either let them get taken over or you join them. As of now we just support them mostly financially. It remains to be seen what Ukraine lands Trump is willing to give to Russia. In the meantime it is an honor to see Ukrainians stand up for their nation. Thus, the USA money is well spent in Ukraine. We will likely see this in our interests later, unless defeat of Russia is imminent and Russia uses battlefield nukes or something. The reality though is that the Ukraine has a misfortune in geography.

 

[Laodicean60]

Is it in America's interest to let him take back ukraine?

Why is it in America's interest to ignore another superpowers interest, arrogance? Putin warned in 2008 about Ukraine and Georgia, but we keep pushing with the NATO club, we even asked India to join which blatantly tells Putin our motives, containment which is an aggressive act. If you have world peace in mind, neutrality is a good thing and many countries lived peacefully for a long time. Plus in my view, I'm no longer brainwashed about communist Russia (80 years of hate) and watching the prosperity of developing countries and Russia through trade in the last 25 years. I wonder how many corperations passed down the cost from moving out of Russia.

If so then what if a year later he wants just another small Baltic Republic?

What if we put in Ukraines nuetrality agrreement that it's automatic "Shock and Awe" if anyone violates the agreement and include other states. We wouldn't have this slow death of humankind

The Taiwan agreement

Important because of semiconductors and for right now more important than Ukraine. Sanction China because we no longer can compete is an aggressive act.

Would Trump care enough to honor.

I think so. I'm not sure about why your worried about him bcause if you know him from history he cares about America and will not harm us intentionally. I think he's too agressive toward China but he's been prejudiced against loss of American jobs, as he mentioned 1989 with Oparah.

 

[BBAS 64]

Trump wins one for the Gipper!

 

[Truth7t7]

No life is a bargain you have me there. Poorly worded. If you don't want that deal with Ukraine you either let them get taken over or you join them. As of now we just support them mostly financially. It remains to be seen what Ukraine lands Trump is willing to give to Russia. In the meantime it is an honor to see Ukrainians stand up for their nation. Thus, the USA money is well spent in Ukraine. We will likely see this in our interests later, unless defeat of Russia is imminent and Russia uses battlefield nukes or something. The reality though is that the Ukraine has a misfortune in geography.

I Disagree

The US has no business in the Russia/Ukrainian conflict, the Obama administration and his CIA started this war in Feb 2014 in the Maidan Coup and its been war ever since

America needs less involvement in wars abroad and more monies spent at home like the #1 priority of protecting its southern borders with Mexico to mention one

 

[Laodicean60]

America needs less involvement in wars abroad and more monies spent at home like the #1 priority of protecting its southern borders with Mexico to mention one

Amen,

Really 175! We could have free stuff at home if we didn't give money away and some of these countries are applying for BRICS.

• Palestine includes the territories of West Bank and Gaza.

175 countries

Country	Obligations	Disbursements
Ukraine	$16.5B	$16.2B
Ethiopia	$1.6B	$2B
Jordan	$1.2B	$1.2B
DR Congo	$1B	$982M
Somalia	$1B	$1.1B
Yemen	$933.9M	$1.1B
Nigeria	$904.4M	$886.2M
Afghanistan	$815.1M	$1.2B
South Sudan	$794.2M	$891.1M
Syria	$748.2M	$894.7M
Kenya	$653.8M	$750.1M
Sudan	$642.2M	$600.8M
Uganda	$509.5M	$572.7M
Mozambique	$499.3M	$508.8M
Tanzania	$453.9M	$499.4M
Colombia	$441.3M	$448.1M

 

[Richard T]

I Disagree

The US has no business in the Russia/Ukrainian conflict, the Obama administration and his CIA started this war in Feb 2014 in the Maidan Coup and its been war ever since

America needs less involvement in wars abroad and more monies spent at home like the #1 priority of protecting its southern borders with Mexico to mention one

Isolationism might work but I probably it just allows the enemy to gain strength until it becomes a much more serious problem. But that just two contrasting philosophies among others that may or may not work depending on the exact conflict and leaders at the time. I suppose I would add in American exceptionalism is a higher ideal, to want others who are more like-minded to America to succeed in their independence. I assume too that consent to be governed is a guiding principle and to whom much is given much is required so the USA does have some responsibility to those that can assist. I certainly think the USA can secure the borders and help others with foreign and military aid as well. But that is just my partial case based on my ideology and background. Most voted for Trump so we will soon see how it goes and what he and his cabinet truly believe and practice.

 

[Truth7t7]

Isolationism might work but I probably it just allows the enemy to gain strength until it becomes a much more serious problem. But that just two contrasting philosophies among others that may or may not work depending on the exact conflict and leaders at the time. I suppose I would add in American exceptionalism is a higher ideal, to want others who are more like-minded to America to succeed in their independence. I assume too that consent to be governed is a guiding principle and to whom much is given much is required so the USA does have some responsibility to those that can assist. I certainly think the USA can secure the borders and help others with foreign and military aid as well. But that is just my partial case based on my ideology and background. Most voted for Trump so we will soon see how it goes and what he and his cabinet truly believe and practice.

I disagree with your position, Ukraine is half way around the world and is a European problem, the US has no business being involved

President Trump will soon end the conflict in Ukraine, a war that was started by the Obama administration in Feb 2014 and its been continuing ever since

Russia isn't the world enemy #1 communist China is, and president Trump will work on stopping the Dragon soon!

 

[Richard T]

I disagree with your position, Ukraine is half way around the world and is a European problem, the US has no business being involved

President Trump will soon end the conflict in Ukraine, a war that was started by the Obama administration in Feb 2014 and its been continuing ever since

Russia isn't the world enemy #1 communist China is, and president Trump will work on stopping the Dragon soon!

Your opinion is shared by about half of America. Most want to do something though. Wide partisan divisions remain in Americans’ views of the war in Ukraine To most it is a partisan issue but that is not my case. I just happen to like nations that have the consent of the governed and dislike those that do not. The same for stuff like freedom of speech and religion, which is promoted more in Ukraine than in Russia. I also think that America has some obligations to help those aligned with her values and oppose those that do not. This includes helping prosecute those charged with war crimes. There Must Be a Reckoning for Russian War Crimes

Since China and Russia are pretty much allies, you see no problem with China providing war supplies, giving some aid to Russia and voicing basically "no limits" to their cooperation? China and Russia: A New Cold War? Yes, China voices neutrality but is it? (meanwhile a Chinese vessel, with a Russia captain drags its anchor to sever cables in Europe).

Our views likely differ on what USA exceptionalism is and how aiding Ukraine fits into that. Our thoughts too differ on what the results of isolationism will be if the USA pulls out. Remember even a small slip from a NATO member will require the USA to defend. If isolationism is the answer what will be the outcome? Will it embolden Russia and others in the future? I asked an ai and got this as a conclusion.

"Conclusion:​

Ultimately, whether U.S. isolationism would harm or help end the war in Ukraine is complex. While it could lead to immediate benefits in terms of avoiding military entanglements, it might also significantly weaken Ukraine’s position and embolden aggressive actions by Russia. A thorough analysis of the situation, including the views of international stakeholders, would be necessary to gauge the full impact of such a shift."

Anyway, I respect your and all opinions on this matter and if the USA stops aid, I guess we will see how that works out or even better Trump will end the war entirely and everyone will reach a deal.