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So nothing about the president not being able to declassify anything he wants? What does the law say about spreading classified information on the floor and posting a picture of it on social media?
One thing I learned reading the posts here: It is not enough that a president unclassifies.
There is a procedure which safeguard the state against errors made by the president.
The president can start a declassification process, but it is not complete when he say a document is declassified.
While this will help against negligence, it does not help against a deliberately careless president, as Trump has outed himself.
But what can one expect from a guy who tries to steal an election, by telling lies, inciting his followers to an attempt of a coup d'etat?
The only evidence they need is Trump's statement. Period.
Then you are arguing with a strawman because that was not my argument you responded to.No, what I said was it was illegal to have some of the documents wether declassified or not, it's still a crime.
"Clissified" on social media? I don't get the reference. We don't know who leaked the tentative decision on Roe v Wade. The Steele dossier was not leaked by DOJ. Trump tax records? You'll have to be more specific as many have been leaked by various parties over the years. He never did keep that campaign promise, though, did he?Like the "clissified" documents they posted on social media? Or the Supreme Court Justice statements on the repeal or Roe? Or the Steele dossiare? Or Trump's tax records? Shall I continue?
No picture of classified information was spread on the floor and posted to social media. What we saw was folders so marked, not the documents with the info, attached to the court filing that was public. Other people, journalists, took it from there and posted it to twitter.So nothing about the president not being able to declassify anything he wants? What does the law say about spreading classified information on the floor and posting a picture of it on social media?
The only evidence they need is Trump's statement. Period.
The only evidence they need is Trump's statement. Period.
You should read the letter for yourself rather than links to people trying to spin away the facts. While you are correct that the documents did not meet storage standards, the point I am making is that there were classified documents being stored at an old furniture warehouse--THAT IS NOT A SECURE FACILITY. Obama had removed the classified documents from the White House and stored those records in this warehouse--no Secret Service were guarding the warehouse. This is 2018, well after Obama left the White House. Why no raid, why no relentless effort to indict Obama?As has been pointed out, the Hoffman Estates property (the "defunct furniture store") is under the control of NARA, as are the records. As the links I provided stated, the records are under the control of NARA. NARA moves the records to Chicago, making them available to the Obama Foundation to digitize, so that the digitized records can be used at the Obama Presidential Library.
All this is talking about is that the Obama Foundation, not NARA, is paying for transporting the records from permanent NARA facilities to the NARA controlled Hoffman Estates location so that the records can be digitized. And note that the facilities they will be transported to aren't to be moved because the other facilities are "secure" but rather the facilities meet NARA's "archival storage standards."
If you look at those archival storage standards, you'll find, rather than security, the standards deal with things like: temperature and humidity standards, limits for air pollutants (particulate and gases), air handling and filtration systems, etc. -- you know, the kind of standards archivists use to ensure that paper records don't fade or deteriorate over time. The issue with the Hoffman Estates property (again, the "defunct furniture store") is not security but that the security does not have the environmental controls that are ideal for long time storage -- since the records are not there to be stored, only scanned (digitally copied).
You should really read links provided and investigate the story, rather than parrot sources that cherry pick and then draw conclusions ignoring parts that interfere with their narrative.
You should read the letter for yourself rather than links to people trying to spin away the facts.
While you are correct that the documents did not meet storage standards, the point I am making is that there were classified documents being stored at an old furniture warehouse--THAT IS NOT A SECURE FACILITY.
Obama had removed the classified documents from the White House and stored those records in this warehouse--no Secret Service were guarding the warehouse.
This is 2018, well after Obama left the White House. Was no raid, why no relentless effort to indict Obama?
If he thinks he can declassify all this stuff just to keep as trophies of his time as president, then he really is unfit for office. His precious trophies are a national security risk!Again as a JUDGE said, it's a red herring, declassifying them doesn't make it stop making it ilegal to have them, they are GOVEREMENT property not the presidents or anyone elses. I've been saying that for weeks, declassifying means you can make copies and have access to read them, doesn't mean you get to take them home thats just idiotic.
Your link is broken, but contains a valid link to what you meant to link to:
As far as I understand the reports, eleven thousand documents were seized, and now they are scrutinized, some may be the rightful property of Trump, and will be given back to him.How was it a "mistake" to miss eleven thousand documents? Not eleven but eleven thousand?
Your link is broken, but contains a valid link to what you meant to link to:
Special master in Trump case appears skeptical of declassification claims | Donald Trump | The Guardian
I believe it says his attorney's may be holding that for defense purposes.Then Trump’s lawyers should have no problem giving Trump’s hand-picked Special Master evidence that Trump declassified these documents. Until such time as they do, Trump’s hand-picked Special Master has declared the documents are to be considered classified.
I believe it says his attorney's may be holding that for defense purposes.
Trump signed a law making it a crime to mishandle classified information. He did not follow the legal procedures required to declassify the Mar A Lago collection of Top Secret documents. He can not pass laws by merely thinking about it. It takes an Act of Congress, the President and Supreme Court to pass or change a law. The Feds requested return of these Federal documents. He did not cooperate, but obstructed justice. Then Trump complained about the FBI enforcing the law, like they were the Gestapo in his opinion.Trump talks to Hannity about how he can declassify documents just by thinking about it.
Its been a while since I voluntarily allowed his lying voice to enter my head. But this headline seemed preposterous even for him. Until I heard it for myself.
The Fox video clip is top in the link, with the absurd claim just 25 sec in - for your convenience. (The rest is commentary that I dont care about).
Trump Claims Presidents can declassify things by thinking about it (they can\'t)
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