Trump rejects Franklin Graham's request that he not curse in speeches

[chevyontheriver]

There is no liar bigger than Trump. That has been proven many times.

You can’t see that both of them are seriously truth impaired? Neither is fit to lead. You guys picked your guy on the basis of being able to defeat their guy, not based on any quality metrics like truth telling. Back when he had his wits about him he was slippery with the truth, a plagiarist, and was on both sides of most issues based on personal advantage to his career. You can complain all you want about Trump but please don’t pretend your guy Joe is a truth teller. He left that behind decades ago. Sorry if you don’t want to hear it.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

You can’t see that both of them are seriously truth impaired? Neither is fit to lead. You guys picked your guy on the basis of being able to defeat their guy, not based on any quality metrics like truth telling. Back when he had his wits about him he was slippery with the truth, a plagiarist, and was on both sides of most issues based on personal advantage to his career. You can complain all you want about Trump but please don’t pretend your guy Joe is a truth teller. He left that behind decades ago. Sorry if you don’t want to hear it.

He is not my guy. I am guy-less. 3rd party with no chance.

 

[expos4ever]

Joe Biden is neck and neck with him

Really, can you produce credible evidence that Mr. Biden lies as much as Mr. Trump.

From AP News:

CNN’s Daniel Dale offered a report in which he said Trump had made at least 30 false claims, and Biden at least nine. But it wasn’t shown on the air until more than an hour after the debate ended — just shy of midnight on the East Coast.

From Forbes magazine:

In his first 100 days, President Trump had 29 statements assessed by PolitiFact (17 false) compared to 12 statements from President Obama (1 false) and 4 statements from President Biden (2 false). As a raw count, Trump told more falsehoods than Biden and Obama combined.

It has been my experience that Trump supporters will respond to damning information about their man with claims of media bias. Well, according to mediabiasfactcheck, Forbes rates center-right.

 

[expos4ever]

You can complain all you want about Trump but please don’t pretend your guy Joe is a truth teller. He left that behind decades ago. Sorry if you don’t want to hear it.

Has anyone here claimed that Mr. Biden does not lie a fair bit? My limited research suggests that he does lie. But the same research indicates that Mr. Trump has him easily beat when it comes to lying. Do have any credible evidence to suggest the two men lie with the same frequency?

 

[chevyontheriver]

He is not my guy. I am guy-less. 3rd party with no chance.

That's a far better place to be than having one of those guys. The problem with having one of those guys is that it shapes you. You feel that you have to defend them and agree with them, even in indefensible things and those things you didn't agree with and you swore you would never agree to. It's operant conditioning. It's just natural human nature.

 

[chevyontheriver]

Has anyone here claimed that Mr. Biden does not lie a fair bit? My limited research suggests that he does lie. But the same research indicates that Mr. Trump has him easily beat when it comes to lying. Do have any credible evidence to suggest the two men lie with the same frequency?

Two liars and you defend your liar. OK. That's politics.

 

[expos4ever]

Two liars and you defend your liar. OK. That's politics.

You are deflecting. Do you have any evidence that the two are on a par when it comes to lying?

I asked a simple question, can you not answer it?

Besides, you mislead when you claim that I am defending Biden. In fact, I have conceded that he lies!

 

[frienden thalord]

That's a terrible description of what he said during the speech.

He was at a Franklin Graham hosted event and said, speaking to the crowd as well as the host in question, that Franklin Graham wrote to him and requested he stop cussing so much.

He said for the sake of Franklin Graham he's not cussing at this event, but there's times you want that extra emphasis that saying some words allows

After the Franklin Graham event, he had another event that wasn't hosted by Graham so he was going to use the cuss words for emphasis sometimes

Most of America uses cuss words. I once stubbed my toe in church and broke it, it took everything in me not to say a word that started with S in that moment.

Facing what are are facing in this country, him being in everyone's cross hairs, I don't care if he uses the occasional cuss word for emphasis.

I don't think using vulgar words is a sin. It's just language of common people. It's only offensive to a few. The Bible used to contain words we now deem inappropriate.

Let Trump be Trump. There's really nothing wrong with it.

There's a lot more wrong with throwing open the borders of this country to every criminal and terrorist the world over. If we are getting particular....

I'll go for the guy who's not intentionally putting my family at risk... Don't care if he cusses.

While i dont support things about trump . Before i do continue just let me say real quick like
i had rather face a ten man fireing squad than vote for biden , let me show us something
in the scriptures . This isgonna shock folks .
That they may drink their own yellow water and eat their own man made brownies OH GOD do get angry .
certain words are just certain words . We would be amazed
that certain words are used . you see they used the word dung back then .
But i think we all know a more modern word today for dung .
And paul even used it . i count all things as dung , as Sh it , as doo doo
Folks might actually be suprised . What i cannot stand or tolerate
is when folks use the name OF CHRIST as though tis a curse word . they stub their toe and say JESUS CHRIST .
that i cannot stand nor the G Damn word either . Its like a piercing to my soul to hear that one .
But here is an interesting story i would like to tell to all
the next time one says to you WHO gives a F .
remind them THE KING once did . You see it was common pratice in certain weddings and decrees
for one to attain consent of the King .
Commonly called Fornication under consent of King . IT got shortened a bit .
Look real closely at that as i turn it into an acroymn .
F fornication
U under
C consent of
K KING . so the next time one says WHO GIVES a F
remind them , OH back in the day it was given by A KING . LOL .

 

[frienden thalord]

There is no liar bigger than Trump. That has been proven many times.

Oh it always depends on the so called source .
if its liberal this is true , if its conservative its not true
and vice the versa .
SO Now the question really that should be asked and is in dire need to be asked
and is pratically begged to be asked is
WHEN ARE WE GONNA DO OUR OWN HOMEWORK and stop taking the words
of the news or of any side serious and rather TRY doing us some UNBIASED research for ourselves .
Now this i did and do often . and the quick , and do i mean very quick , conclusoin i came too is
THE NEWS , YA cant trust a word coming out of THEIR MOUTH .

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

WHEN ARE WE GONNA DO OUR OWN HOMEWORK

It is quite easy when we have live coverage as well as videos.

 

[frienden thalord]

It is quite easy when we have live coverage as well as videos.

Yeah , but who is producing the video and are they just clipping a line or two from a speech
to make it seem as though , to try and paint one to be something they are not or ever were .
IN other words its lil sally syndrome this news reports .
Would you like to know what lil sally snyndrome is .........
GOOD , i thought you did . Thanks for asking .
Lets say along came sally . man this poor girl is in dire trouble
she drinks a thirty pack a day .
Then along comes MR news with its agenda . cause mr news dont want folks seeing lil sally in a bad light .
SO Head line news comes out . THIS just in everyone
do you remember miss sally who had such a big drinking problem .
WELL boy do we got wonderful news for you all .
She aint drinking any MORE .
and man the crowds cheer .
WOW .
SCREECH the brakes , hold on , lets rewind .
Because upon real investigation , un BIASED investigation
one suddenly finds out , OH DEAR she aint drinking any LESS either .
THE NEWS IS SLICK pardner . IT KNOW HOW TO SEDUCE folks .
You see there will and can be no law suit against it .
WHY , cause it never said SHE STOPPED drinking , it said she dont drink any MORE ,
but forget to mention she dont drink no less either . THE news is one slick puppy my friend .
SO , when i say investigate . YOU INVESTIGATE and you do so WITH BOTH SIDES .
you gonna find out we in the largest dog and pony show this nation , heck this world has ever seen .

 

[frienden thalord]

WE truly should have been BIASED for EVERY WORD OF GOD . He alone , Christ alone should have been
on our minds and in our hearts . Men got this world into the trouble its in
and men aint gonna save it either .

 

[BNR32FAN]

The idea that "I would only vote for someone that would qualify to be my pastor" is not shared by a lot of voters in America. Most of us would never have voted in our life time - were that the criteria.

People often point out how this or that politician would make a poor pastor... and I agree that such is the case. But I don't ask the plumber, or the mechanic or my doctor if they would/could qualify as my pastor -- as a condition for service. Rather I focus on whether they can do the job well or not.

I think a more relevant topic for both candidates is whether or not they would be turning the white house into a very expensive Assisted Living facility or if they are still able at such advanced age to "do the job well" Given all this business about world war III, mob attackes against Jews in California trying to attend their church, attacks on Israel, Attacks on the open seas against merchant ships and using first-time-ever ballistic missiles to sink merchant ships... etc. -- what we really need is a very competent commander in chief --.

A lot of American are getting more and more uncomfortable with the "meanderer-in-chief" idea where one simply dismisses it all by feeling sorry for their leader in his declining years - having to deal with such adult, complex issues -- more than anything else.

Yeah I agree, on the subject of voting for politicians the best we can do is choose the lesser of two evils.

 

[frienden thalord]

It is quite easy when we have live coverage as well as videos.

Due to my love for all peoples there is something we better all know and understand . because soon
its gonna affect us all .
Allow me some introduction please . years ago i was number in my class of anti terroism .
SO marvel not at what i tell you all next .
And boy has technology improved even since our time .
Lets talk about AI shall we .
DID you know they can recreate a perfect image of anyone
and boy do it look real too . I aint talking about this crap they pump out to the common man either .
THEYS way ahead of all that . I mean ITS LOOKS like the real deal folks .
Now why i am telling us all this . Cause they been using it folks already
and its about to be used in a far far worse way too .
Now visualize this next scenario , cause it WILL be used in the days ahead
to convince the world and its nations and its peoples that a certain group , the one that didnt conform
is one deadly dangerous group .
And by golly the world gonna buy it too .
Now visulize this akita . and since its easier to put the very person one is speaking too
into the picture . I WILL be using you as an example .
Imagine you are home and sleeping peacefully in your bed . You have been speaking out against an agenda
YOU personally KNEW was dangerous . anyway
in the black of night you are pulled out of your house and detained .
And the people you influenced are in the same cell as you .
THEN on the news , yeah lets say they had a tv screen for you all to watch .
YOU SEE THIS .
WELCOME we are here now to report to you all
about a raid against a very deadly and dangerous group .
They are now detained . Here is the footage
of their arrest . NOW VISUIALIZE THIS .
THE next thing you see on said TV screen
is you and all your buddies , sitting in a house , maybe in a church .
AND you all are all passing around rounds of ammo and talking about threats and dangerous exploits .
ONLY ITS YOUR VOICES , ITS YOUR IMAGES , BUT IT AINT YOU . THEY CAN DO THIS WITH AI RIGHT NOW .
And in that cell you and your buddies are yelling that is not US , its not us , we never did that
we never said that . BUT NO ONE GONNA HEAR ya
THEY ONLY GONNA SEE what is on THE TV . This is not about to bode well for the true church . THEY GONNA LIE about folks like me
and the world and worse most all of christendom and the unifed false religoins are gonna beleive what they sold .

 

[chevyontheriver]

You are deflecting. Do you have any evidence that the two are on a par when it comes to lying?

I asked a simple question, can you not answer it?

Besides, you mislead when you claim that I am defending Biden. In fact, I have conceded that he lies!

I hear them both lie a lot. I have done no analysis myself on who is the better liar. They both are disgusting. If that’s not good enough for you then I note you are supporting a liar.

 

[expos4ever]

I hear them both lie a lot. I have done no analysis myself on who is the better liar. They both are disgusting. If that’s not good enough for you

Let's be clear then, it appears that there is no evidence that Mr Biden lies as frequently as Mr Trump. Based on some very limited research, I found that CNN ascribed 30 lies to Mr Trump during the debate and 9 to Biden. Furthermore, a Forbes analysis claimed that during the first hundred days of their respective presidencies, Mr Trump lied more frequently than Mr Biden.

These are just two data points, but I suggest the case is clear: while both men lie, Mr Trump lies more.

then I note you are supporting a liar.

Misleading. If I were an American, I would be voting for Mr Biden as to me, he is clearly the "least bad" of two undesirable choices. When you characterize me as supporting a liar, you cynically misrepresent the full scope of the issues here. If I were an American, I would feel a strong ethical responsibility to keep Mr Trump out of the White House. If that means voting for a person with some history of lying, it is, to me, the clear moral choice.

Characterizing a person who votes for Mr Biden as "supporting a liar" intentionally leaves off the table what would happen if Mr Trump is elected.

The way you frame things is similar to the objection "so you support suffering" in a scenario where I advocate treating a cancer patient with chemotherapy. Yes, my position entails guaranteeing suffering on the part of the patient. But, of course, there is a much bigger picture to consider. The way you are framing things ignores that bigger picture.

 

[BobRyan]

Yeah I agree, on the subject of voting for politicians the best we can do is choose the lesser of two evils.

agreed. So then I like reading Lev 18 before voting because it tells us the standard to which God will hold even a pagan nation to - even if it has no Bible at all.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

BTW, I don't think anyone else has matched The Big Lie about a stolen election that resulted in a riot January 6th threatening to undermine democracy.

 

[jas3]

BTW, I don't think anyone else has matched The Big Lie about a stolen election that resulted in a riot January 6th threatening to undermine democracy.

Right, because in 2016-2017 Democrats famously accepted the results of the election without claiming it was stolen and starting violent riots across the country while proclaiming that Trump was not their president.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Right, because in 2016-2017 Democrats famously accepted the results of the election without claiming it was stolen and starting violent riots across the country while proclaiming that Trump was not their president.

Not based on a lie. They were protests of a tragic truth.