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The Taliban did not kill any Americans but they killed a lot of Afgans. So they were not keeping their part of the deal. Negotiations fell apart under Biden and you point out that Biden himself made some wrong decisions that Trump would not have made. Biden did save american lives but he put women and women's rights on the chopping block.

"Years have gone by, generations passed, but nothing has changed for women in Afghanistan, who continue to face atrocities under the Taliban. Yet another evidence of barbarity against women surfaced from the languishing country as a video showing brutal flogging of women went viral on social media."

WARNING this link shows the abuse women are suffering under the Taliban. women-publicly-flogged-for-venturing-out-without-male-companion. This was never a part of Trumps deal with the Taliban. This all happened after Biden took over. So Trumps abuse of women makes Bidens abuse look a lot worse.

What you ignore is that the withdrawel and timeline was establsihed by the Trump Adminsitration, there were only ~2500 Americans in Afgahnistan when Biden took office, It was all but done. You insist on blaming Biden when it wasn't all his doing.
 
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The country was shut down in 2020 - and Trump was president.
Frances Collins removed the ban on high risk pathogen's and Obama was the one that appointed Collins. Although I read Collins book and supported him before he removed the ban.

Congress, the Senate and Trump all approved that budget so they are all to blame. Not just Trump. This does look like Biological warfare and an attack on the USA by China. Although there was a lot of Back Lash and China had as much trouble with the virus as we did. Which they did not expect. They thought their people could be protected.

Truman said: "The Buck Stops Here" So he felt the president was responsible. Because it is always easy to put the blame for things on someone else.
 
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Harris almost immediately led Trump to foolishly go after her for being black. Even most conservatives are offended by that kind of behavior.

When he's shook, he strikes out without considering the consequences.
When you say she "led him", do you mean she race-baited him?
She wouldn't do things like that, would she? Isn't she above that sort of behavior?
 
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When you say she "led him", do you mean she race-baited him?
I mean the fact that she was black led him to engage in race-baiting. His handlers stepped in and stopped the interview, but not before the damage was done.

She wouldn't do things like that, would she?
Can't find any instance where she did something like that. I suppose a Trump supporter might argue that Harris being in the race and being black was a provocation to Trump. I've heard crazier things from them.
Isn't she above that sort of behavior?
So far, it seems.
 
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Somehow, it was just two weeks ago that Donald Trump headed into the Republican National Convention looking like a juggernaut. That all feels like a long time ago. As his campaign enters its final three months, Trump looks like a man off balance. His polling lead has evaporated, his campaign strategy is obsolete, and he’s flaunting his most offensive tendencies.

“I want to be nice,” Trump said Saturday at a rally in Minnesota. “They all say, I think he’s changed. I think he’s changed since two weeks ago. Something affected him. No, I haven’t changed—maybe I’ve gotten worse, actually.”


He's lost his swagger, and his "mean girl" act backfired on him when he went after Harris for being black.

And Vance seems in retrospect to have been an impulsive mistake.

And there isn't much time to fix things.
Trump didn't go after Harris for being black.

If you listen to what he actually said, he said Harris use to claim she was Indian, which she did,
She didn't identify as black until recently when it became popular.
 
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What Trump does not change - the fact that Democrats have ruined this country by embracing the more taxes, bigger government, Leftist socialist, progressive agendas, and WOKE ideologies.
Oh noes! WOKE!

Thorne said, “woke” joins “politically correct,” “cancel culture” and “metropolitan liberal elite” as terms conservatives use against opponents.

This kinda sums it up, doesn't it?

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The Taliban did not kill any Americans but they killed a lot of Afgans. So they were not keeping their part of the deal.
Trump negotiated the surrender. He only allowed the Taliban into negotiations and shut out all other Afghans. And he got no agreement by the Taliban to protect other Afghans.

Negotiations fell apart under Biden
Actually, there were no "negotiations" under Biden. He merely told the Taliban that the date Trump set for withdrawal would not allow the US to get people and equipment out, and reset the date. Taliban complied with his decision.

Biden did save american lives but he put women and women's rights on the chopping block.
That was Trump. He failed to get any guarantee with the Taliban when he negotiated with them.

This was never a part of Trumps deal with the Taliban.
It was. Trump just abandoned the Afghan people. Biden took no part in those negotiations. But remember the way Trump abuses women; why would he care about the Afghan women he betrayed?
 
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Conservatives and Trump were all against the senseless rioting and looting
Turns out that almost all of them were right-wing white nationalists. The guys killing police officers? White nationalists, who tried to blame BLM. It didn't work. Want to see that?

Firing weapons into police stations? White nationalist bragging about it on social media.

Show us one BLM member caught attacking police, looting, or vandalizing property. Did you really not know any of this?
 
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And he got no agreement by the Taliban to protect other Afghans.
The REAL question here is do american men need to give their life to defend Afghan women. Trump wanted to save live of Americans and Taliban. But now the women have to pay the price and are almost reduced to slavery. Is this not the same issue we had to deal with in the civil war? At least in terms of defending the civil rights of others.

(I have a few pokers in the fire in that I sold Pakistan knives for 20 years to Amish to use on the farm. The Taliban shut down the production of knives for whatever their reason was.)
 
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That sounds a little crazy when you consider how much they can fire back at you.
The perp apparently infitrated the demonstration, screamed "justice for Floyd", and fired into the station before fleeing. He slipped up, bragging about it on social media, and they caught him:

Texas man in 'boogaloo' movement pleads guilty to firing at police station during Floyd protest

Ivan Harrison Hunter, a self-proclaimed member of the “boogaloo bois,” is accused of firing 13 rounds from a semi-automatic assault-style rifle at a Minneapolis station.

I suppose he correctly assumed that they wouldn't return fire into a crowd of innocent marchers. He's just one of many, many who tried to disrupt the marches by violence.
 
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The REAL question here is do american men need to give their life to defend Afghan women.
That's another issue, of course. Point is, Trump negotiated the agreement, and other than changing the date of withdrawal to make sure we got all our people out, he complied with the agreement Trump negotiated.
 
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I mean the fact that she was black led him to engage in race-baiting. His handlers stepped in and stopped the interview, but not before the damage was done.

Sounds like a double negative you're attempting to twist.

Can't find any instance where she did something like that. I suppose a Trump supporter might argue that Harris being in the race and being black was a provocation to Trump. I've heard crazier things from them.

Except for the ABC reporter during the black journalist event. And Harris, where was she? Not even there. Not even by Skype.
 
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Turns out that almost all of them were right-wing white nationalists. The guys killing police officers? White nationalists, who tried to blame BLM. It didn't work. Want to see that?

Firing weapons into police stations? White nationalist bragging about it on social media.

Show us one BLM member caught attacking police, looting, or vandalizing property. Did you really not know any of this?

Plenty of black people can be seen in videos doing the things you describe. When shown to you, the response is always, "How do you know they're with BLM? Did they have a BLM membership card?"
Yeah, we've had this discussion before.
 
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I mean the fact that she was black led him to engage in race-baiting. His handlers stepped in and stopped the interview, but not before the damage was done.

Sounds like a double negative you're attempting to twist.
Sounds like you're avoiding the facts.

Former President Donald Trump's performance in an interview at a Black journalists' panel, during which he questioned Vice President Kamala Harris' race, was an overall failure, a Republican political strategist has said.

Trump, the Republican nominee, said that Harris, the first Black woman and Asian American to serve as vice president, had only promoted her Indian heritage in the past and did not identity as Black until more recently.

"I didn't know she was Black until a number of years ago when she happened to turn Black and now she wants to be known as Black. So, I don't know, is she Indian or is she Black?" Trump said during an interview at the National Association of Black Journalists (NABJ) conference in Chicago on Wednesday.


Donald Trump's Interview With Black Journalists Ends Abruptly


Like most on the extreme right, Trump is obsessed with race. A mixed-race person seems to totally disorient him.
 
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I mean the fact that she was black led him to engage in race-baiting. His handlers stepped in and stopped the interview, but not before the damage was done.


Sounds like you're avoiding the facts.

Former President Donald Trump's performance in an interview at a Black journalists' panel, during which he questioned Vice President Kamala Harris' race, was an overall failure, a Republican political strategist has said.

Trump, the Republican nominee, said that Harris, the first Black woman and Asian American to serve as vice president, had only promoted her Indian heritage in the past and did not identity as Black until more recently.

"I didn't know she was Black until a number of years ago when she happened to turn Black and now she wants to be known as Black. So, I don't know, is she Indian or is she Black?" Trump said during an interview at the National Association of Black Journalists (NABJ) conference in Chicago on Wednesday.


Donald Trump's Interview With Black Journalists Ends Abruptly


Like most on the extreme right, Trump is obsessed with race. A mixed-race person seems to totally disorient him.
If Harris wasn't always trying to appeal to voters on the basis of her race, then Trump wouldn't have to address it. If Harris thought she was more solid on things such as national security, the economy, education, etc., then those things would become the topic of discussion.
 
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Plenty of black people can be seen in videos doing the things you describe.
So no BLM members? Notice they caught lots of white nationalists. And shooting police was entirely a white nationalist action during those marches.

. When shown to you, the response is always, "How do you know they're with BLM? Did they have a BLM membership card?"
Never said either of those things. C'mon. I'm merely pointing out that you can't even show they were associated with BLM. Law enforcement has shown that white nationalists were attempting to stir up riots during the marches. The problem for racists is, no BLM people seemed to fall for it. The racist response is "all those people are the same, so they had to be BLM." I know you're not saying that, but try not to appear to support those guys.

White nationalist group posing as antifa called for violence on Twitter


They were rather easy to expose. The good thing about racists is, most of them aren't very bright. These attempts, clumsy as they are, need to be repeatedly exposed.

White supremacist posed as Black Lives Matter supporter to shoot up police station

Hunter also communicated with Steven Carrillo, a California man charged with killing a federal officer and a sheriff’s deputy. Solomon, Teeter, and Carrillo are all connected to the Boogaloo Boys

Following the shooting, Hunter was allegedly recorded on video high-fiving another person and yelling “Justice for Floyd!” Investigators matched the skull mask he wore in a video to one he wore in a photo on his Facebook page.

Several white supremacists, acting alone and organized with others, incited riots and looting during the Floyd protests. The riots were often designed to create deeper racial tensions and exacerbate problems among otherwise peaceful Black Lives Matter protestors. The FBI opened more than 300 domestic terrorism investigations following the protests and national unrest.

Yeah, we've had this discussion before.
But it bears repeating. As you see, there were a lot of those guys out there. Thanks for for that.
 
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If Harris wasn't always trying to appeal to voters on the basis of her race, then Trump wouldn't have to address it.
He was just whining that she wasn't mentioning her race. C'mon.
If Harris thought she was more solid on things such as national security, the economy, education, etc., then those things would become the topic of discussion.
There's a good reason she's talking about those things instead of what race she is. There's a good reason Trump wants to talk about her race, instead of those things.
 
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So no BLM members? Notice they caught lots of white nationalists. And shooting police was entirely a white nationalist action during those mar


Never said either of those things. C'mon. I'm merely pointing out that you can't even show they were associated with BLM. Law enforcement has shown that white nationalists were attempting to stir up riots during the marches. The problem for racists is, no BLM people seemed to fall for it. The racist response is "all those people are the same, so they had to be BLM." I know you're not saying that, but try not to appear to support those guys.

White nationalist group posing as antifa called for violence on Twitter


They were rather easy to expose. The good thing about racists is, most of them aren't very bright. These attempts, clumsy as they are, need to be repeatedly exposed.


But it bears repeating. Thanks for for that.
Can you prove they were "White Nationalists"? Do they carry some sort of "White Nationalist membership card" or something?
 
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He was just whining that she wasn't mentioning her race. C'mon.

Really? Pointing out that she identified as Indian before flip flopping to calling herself black is hardly "whining that she wasn't mentioning her race." She'd have to mention it quite a bit to get people to identify with her by her race. It might not be noticed by her own enablers, but it's noticed around the world: 'Black and proud': Harris has never shied away from racial identity

There's a good reason she's talking about those things instead of what race she is. There's a good reason Trump wants to talk about her race, instead of those things.

Try reading more carefully.
 
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