Trump is honest

[brinny]

Unnecessary. You said that ONLY TRUMP has been doing anything about this. You are therefore proven wrong.

*mic drop*

Read my posts again.

I stated that Trump (in 2014) addressed this issue and again later during his campaign, including when he was on stage with all of the other Republican candidates, none of which opened their mouths about it.

He made a promise.

He is KEEPING his promise.

 

[Yonny Costopoulis]

*Reliable citation needed*

proof?

Well if we accept that "truth IS truth":

Illegal Immigration Does Not Increase Violent Crime, 4 Studies Show
...Cato found that in 2015, criminal conviction and arrest rates in Texas for undocumented immigrants were lower than those of native-born Americans for murder, sexual assault and larceny.


Finally, a research paper appearing in the current edition of the U.K. journal Migration Letters shows that youthful undocumented immigrants engage in less crime than do legal immigrants or U.S.-born peers.

But that concept will not be accepted by some. Not in current conditions.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

In fairness, Trump is also a hypocrite. He talks about how companies are greedy and wrong to produce their goods outside of the US, but the vast majority of his own product lines are produced overseas (China, Bangladesh, etc).

You're absolutely right, it's just that I hadn't even gotten into his hypocrisy earlier so I don't know why the other person was talking about hypocrisy.

 

[Apologetic_Warrior]

Facts are humor? When Truth isn't Truth I suppose this is true.

Oh, you want facts, okay, here you are:

"Research conducted by the federal government oversight organization Judicial Watch in 2014 documents that 50 percent of all federal crimes were committed near our border with Mexico.

Of the 61,529 criminal cases filed by federal prosecutors; 40 percent or 24,746 were in court districts along the southern borders of California, Arizona and Texas.

The Western District of Texas had the nation’s most significant crime rate with over 6,300 cases filed; followed by the Southern District of Texas with slightly over 6,000 cases.

The Southern California District with nearly 4,900 cases; New Mexico with nearly 4,000 cases and Arizona with over 3,500 criminal cases ranked 3rd, 4th and 5th.

The U.S. Department of Justice documents that in 2014, 19 percent or over 12,000 criminal cases filed by prosecutors were for violent crimes; and over 22 percent or 13,300 cases were for drug related felonies.

That same year, the U.S. Sentencing Commission found that 75 percent of all criminal defendants who were convicted and sentenced for federal drug offenses were illegal immigrants. Illegal immigrants were also involved in 17 percent of all drug trafficking sentences and one third of all federal prison sentences.

The U.S. Department of Justice and the U.S. Sentencing Commission reported that as of 2014, illegal immigrants were convicted and sentenced for over 13 percent of all crimes committed in the U.S.

According to the FBI, 67,642 murders were committed in the U.S. from 2005 through 2008, and 115,717 from 2003 through 2009. The General Accounting Office documents that criminal immigrants committed 25,064 of these murders.

Illegal immigrants clearly commit a level of violent and drug related crimes disproportionate to their population.

In California alone, over 2,400 illegal immigrants out of a total prison population of 130,000 are imprisoned in the state’s prison system for the crime of homicide." - The truth about crime, illegal immigrants and sanctuary cities

 

[ArmenianJohn]

why?

Because their behavior is an indication of their ideals, morals, beliefs, etc. Has Melania or Donald ever indicated that Melania's career in pornography was wrong or that their affair while Donald was married was wrong or that Donald being married to three women was wrong? If they've changed, then where is the evidence? They haven't changed, that's why there's no evidence, so they maintain those beliefs. That's an indication of their current morality and beliefs and ideals.

 

[Apologetic_Warrior]

*Reliable citation needed*

This should suffice.

 

[Apologetic_Warrior]

proof?

HERE.

 

[whatbogsends]

I created the thread and I thought it was about him keeping his promises.

Then you chose an extremely poor thread title.

 

[majj27]

This should suffice.

Since you've taken the time to get some info, I will look into the study this weekend.

 

[Yonny Costopoulis]

Oh, you want facts, okay, here you are:

"Research conducted by the federal government oversight organization Judicial Watch in 2014 documents that 50 percent of all federal crimes were committed near our border with Mexico.

Of the 61,529 criminal cases filed by federal prosecutors; 40 percent or 24,746 were in court districts along the southern borders of California, Arizona and Texas.

The Western District of Texas had the nation’s most significant crime rate with over 6,300 cases filed; followed by the Southern District of Texas with slightly over 6,000 cases.

The Southern California District with nearly 4,900 cases; New Mexico with nearly 4,000 cases and Arizona with over 3,500 criminal cases ranked 3rd, 4th and 5th.

The U.S. Department of Justice documents that in 2014, 19 percent or over 12,000 criminal cases filed by prosecutors were for violent crimes; and over 22 percent or 13,300 cases were for drug related felonies.

That same year, the U.S. Sentencing Commission found that 75 percent of all criminal defendants who were convicted and sentenced for federal drug offenses were illegal immigrants. Illegal immigrants were also involved in 17 percent of all drug trafficking sentences and one third of all federal prison sentences.

The U.S. Department of Justice and the U.S. Sentencing Commission reported that as of 2014, illegal immigrants were convicted and sentenced for over 13 percent of all crimes committed in the U.S.

According to the FBI, 67,642 murders were committed in the U.S. from 2005 through 2008, and 115,717 from 2003 through 2009. The General Accounting Office documents that criminal immigrants committed 25,064 of these murders.

Illegal immigrants clearly commit a level of violent and drug related crimes disproportionate to their population.

In California alone, over 2,400 illegal immigrants out of a total prison population of 130,000 are imprisoned in the state’s prison system for the crime of homicide." - The truth about crime, illegal immigrants and sanctuary cities

Good one.

Your link Judicial Watch:
Media bias check: Judicial Watch

Bias: Extreme Right, Conspiracy, Propaganda

 

[FanthatSpark]

Which has nothing to do with Uranium One. That wasn't what you and the rest of the Right were sold it was.

But if you REALLY want to see where money and power monopolize unto itself then look no further than Donald J. Trump. A man who was born with a silver spoon and is so fast to throw everyone who becomes a liability to him under the bus in order to protect himself.

So let's not focus on a woman who is no longer even a force and who LOST the election. You guy won. Now own it.

Got to NOT time stamp your reality. For me, time is relative. I do not judge an action of a past brought to the forefront where you or me read that and "as designed" it is applied to the subject of now. I am Christian firstly. To judge you is to judge myself. How do i judge in a digital environment if all I see is your post?

In my reality presidents matter not. That is not power as research will show. You think I have an opinion in this matrix (Is that air you are breathing Neo?) where labels are going to degenerate in this area of ownership.

Said ownership can not be put on any one living today.

That constitution was usurped long ago. This putting the ownership on a Trump, Obama, Hillary,Bush does what it is designed to do... Distract from that constitution as we tear into each other on the blame-o-meter.

Sharing our morality matters not to that constitution as it reads today. This darkness has to work itself out .

The Hope: As laws are written for a people ... the same people start recognizing these laws apply to ...some...people.

 

[Yonny Costopoulis]

Since you've taken the time to get some info, I will look into the study this weekend.

NOTE: LINKS internal to Media Bias Check are broken for the content reasons. For exploration go to Media Bias Check website.

His link is Judicial Watch

My personal favorite is that founder is promoting conspiracy that Clintons are killing people. I suppose Clintons have tired of running pedophile ring out of pizza restaurant basement. There just was not enough evil!

And IRS conspiracy with afterschool Satan Clubs is very funny.

Read all about this:

Media bias check: Judicial Watch

Bias: Extreme Right, Conspiracy, Propaganda

...
Analysis / Bias

Judicial Watch reports news on their website with the use of strong emotional language that is usually pro-right or anti-left. Common topics covered are anti-immigration, in which they highlight crimes committed by illegal immigrants such as this: Busy Month for Illegal Immigrants Committing Heinous Crimes or dedicating an entire website to exposing former President Obama’s alleged IRS scandal. They have also promoted debunked conspiracy theories such as this. Further, the founder of JW, Larry Klayman recently promoted the conspiracy that the Clinton’s were killing people. In general the majority of content and story selection is anti-left.

Below is a small sample of their failed fact checks by IFCN fact checkers

• DHS Quietly Moving, Releasing ‘Vanloads’ of ‘Illegal Aliens’ Away from Border – FALSE
• Has Nancy Pelosi spent $100,000 on food, booze and “partying” during her air travel? – FALSE
• Judicial Watch says ISIS operating a camp in Mexico–near El Paso – FALSE
• ‘Islamic Refugee’ with Gas Pipeline Plans Arrested in New Mexico Border County – FALSE
• Did the IRS ‘Fast Track’ Tax-Exempt Status for ‘After School Satan’ Clubs? – FALSE

 

[Apologetic_Warrior]

Good one.

Your link Judicial Watch:
Media bias check: Judicial Watch

Bias: Extreme Right, Conspiracy, Propaganda

I see, when the information does not fit the narrative it's "Bias: Extreme Right, Conspiracy, Propaganda", gotcha. I should just take your word without a shred of proof amiright?

 

[ToddNotTodd]

For the umpteenth time...

Those who are trying to convince the rusted-on Trump supporters of his duplicity, his incompetence, his cowardice, his self-interest above all else....it won’t work!

You can trot out all the evidence you like. You can quote the 4000+ lies he has told in the last year. You can replay the recordings of him lying in his own voice. You can lay out the paper trail of his misdeeds and crimes...

It won’t matter.

They’ve imbibed on the Koolaid for too long. They’ve invested too much of their own self-respect in this flim-flam man. To turn against him now means that they’d have to swallow too much of their own pride.

The only way to deal with them is to vote them into obscurity...!

If you can’t get a Christian Trump supporter to denounce the fact that his bragging about cheating on his wife was terrible, then I agree.

They’re hopeless...

Like someone else said, it’s sad.

 

[Yonny Costopoulis]

I see, when the information does not fit the narrative it's "Bias: Extreme Right, Conspiracy, Propaganda", gotcha. I should just take your word without a shred of proof amiright?

I provided the link. Did you read it?

Some of content was so funny I had to make post of it. Please see post #476 again. I think you will laugh as well. Especially at Clinton conspiracy. It is like reading The Onion but is funnier because they are serious.

 

[Apologetic_Warrior]

His link is Judicial Watch

My personal favorite is that founder is promoting conspiracy that Clintons are killing people. I suppose Clintons have tired of running pedophile ring out of pizza restaurant basement. There just was not enough evil!

And IRS conspiracy with afterschool Satan Clubs is very funny.

Read all about this:

Media bias check: Judicial Watch

Bias: Extreme Right, Conspiracy, Propaganda

...
Analysis / Bias

Judicial Watch reports news on their website with the use of strong emotional language that is usually pro-right or anti-left. Common topics covered are anti-immigration, in which they highlight crimes committed by illegal immigrants such as this: Busy Month for Illegal Immigrants Committing Heinous Crimes or dedicating an entire website to exposing former President Obama’s alleged IRS scandal. They have also promoted debunked conspiracy theories such as this. Further, the founder of JW, Larry Klayman recently promoted the conspiracy that the Clinton’s were killing people. In general the majority of content and story selection is anti-left.

Below is a small sample of their failed fact checks by IFCN fact checkers

• DHS Quietly Moving, Releasing ‘Vanloads’ of ‘Illegal Aliens’ Away from Border – FALSE
• Has Nancy Pelosi spent $100,000 on food, booze and “partying” during her air travel? – FALSE
• Judicial Watch says ISIS operating a camp in Mexico–near El Paso – FALSE
• ‘Islamic Refugee’ with Gas Pipeline Plans Arrested in New Mexico Border County – FALSE
• Did the IRS ‘Fast Track’ Tax-Exempt Status for ‘After School Satan’ Clubs? – FALSE

And what does your fact checker tell you about CNN? That should be all I need to know about said fact checker.

 

[Yonny Costopoulis]

And what does your fact checker tell you about CNN? That should be all I need to know about said fact checker.

Do you agree that reading Judicial Watch conspiracies is like reading The Onion but funnier? Because they are serious!

Here is quote from founder podcast about Clinton. Link is not given directly because of the content. Media Bias: Judicial Watch

“She’s an egomaniac. She’s a megalomaniac and she doesn’t care about that. This is a woman, Jason, and I know this sounds extreme, but 80 people died in and around the Clinton administration. You think it was all law of average? You don’t think they didn’t have some people hit? I believe they did,” Klayman said.

 

[Albion]

Nice try to introduce "hypocrisy" into a conversation which has not mentioned it.

You provided an example of it, however, attributing it to other people. You then asked me about it.

 

[wing2000]

I see, when the information does not fit the narrative it's "Bias: Extreme Right, Conspiracy, Propaganda", gotcha. I should just take your word without a shred of proof amiright?

Is that why you completely ignored the CATO institute report provided earlier.

https://www.cato.org/publications/i...f/criminal-immigrants-texas-illegal-immigrant

 

[Apologetic_Warrior]

More "bias" to add to the "bias":

"FoxNews.com did review reports from immigration reform groups and various government agencies, including the U.S. Census Bureau, U.S. Sentencing Commission, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the Government Accountability Office, the Bureau of Justice Statistics and several state and county correctional departments. Statistics show the estimated 11.7 million illegal immigrants in the U.S. account for 13.6 percent of all offenders sentenced for crimes committed in the U.S. Twelve percent of murder sentences, 20 percent of kidnapping sentences and 16 percent of drug trafficking sentences are meted out to illegal immigrants.

Critics say better border security is needed to keep illegal immigrants out, but those caught committing crimes here must be imprisoned and deported. (AP)(Reuters)

There are approximately 2.1 million legal or illegal immigrants with criminal convictions living free or behind bars in the U.S., according to ICE's Secure Communities office. Each year, about 900,000 legal and illegal immigrants are arrested, and 700,000 are released from jail, prison, or probation. ICE estimates that there are more than 1.2 million criminal aliens at large in the U.S.

In the most recent figures available, a Government Accountability Office report titled, "Criminal Alien Statistics," found there were 55,000 illegal immigrants in federal prison and 296,000 in state and local lockups in 2011. Experts agree those figures have almost certainly risen, although executive orders from the Obama administration may have changed the status of thousands who previously would have been counted as illegal immigrants.

Hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrant criminals are being deported. In 2014, ICE removed 315,943 criminal illegal immigrants nationwide, 85 percent of whom had previously been convicted of a criminal offense. But that same year, ICE released onto U.S. streets another 30,558 criminal illegal immigrants with a combined 79,059 criminal convictions including 86 homicides, 186 kidnappings, and thousands of sexual assaults, domestic violence assaults and DUIs, Vaughan said. As of August, ICE had already released at least 10,246 criminal aliens." Elusive crime wave data