Trump is helping to undermine US democracy

[FreeinChrist]

Trump is helping to undermine US democracy. That's just what Russia wants - CNNPolitics

But Trump's three days of Twitter venting against the FBI, his political opponents and the Russia investigation from his Mar-a-Lago resort are likely to further incite mistrust in the institutions of democracy and government, which the Russian intervention was designed to foment.

In addition to lashing out against perceived political foes, Trump rejected the congressional and governmental investigations taking place under the checks and balances of the US system and undermined his own national security adviser's warning to Russia at a key international forum.

At the same time, Trump failed to condemn the audacious "information warfare" effort alleged in a comprehensive indictment against 13 Russians that Mueller unveiled on Friday. He also failed to promise to protect future US elections -- even though intelligence chiefs have warned that an attempt to disrupt November's midterms may already be underway.
That reluctance is consistent with a pattern of unexplained conduct by the President involving the Russia question. People in his orbit have, for instance, repeatedly lied about the campaign's contacts with Russians and the President is under investigation for possible obstruction of justice for firing FBI Director James Comey, who had been overseeing the election interference investigation.
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Why hasn't Trump enforce the sanctions that Congress passed and Trump signed into law?

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[hislegacy]

Why hasn't Trump enforce the sanctions that Congress passed and Trump signed into law?

Congress passed the law, Trump signed the law.

Please explain how he is supposed to enforce what is signed into law? What specifically is he not doing?

 

[super animator]

Why hasn't Trump enforce the sanctions that Congress passed and Trump signed into law?

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

 

[FreeinChrist]

The sanctions are not being carried out. It is law, and his administration as not enacted them.


Trump administration holds off on new Russia sanctions, despite law

The Trump administration said on Monday it would not immediately impose additional sanctions on Russia, despite a new law designed to punish Moscow’s alleged meddling in the 2016 U.S. election, insisting the measure was already hitting Russian companies.
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White House to Congress: Russia sanctions not needed now

The Trump administration informed lawmakers Monday that new Russia sanctions called for in a bipartisan bill passed last year are not necessary yet because the measure is already "serving as a deterrent."

The announcement came as lawmakers in both parties nudged the administration to implement sanctions legislation that passed overwhelmingly in July — with only five no votes in both the House and Senate. The sanctions bill requires the imposition of penalties by Monday against entities doing "significant" business with Moscow's defense and intelligence sectors, unless Congress is notified that prospective targets are "substantially reducing" that business.
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Donald Trump refuses to impose new sanctions on Russia

The Trump administration has announced it will not impose additional sanctions on Russia, despite Congress passing a lawallowing the President to do so.

With Monday the deadline for the White House to impose any new measures, the US State Department insisted the threat of sanctions was already acting as a deterrent.

The new sanctions would have required the US Treasury Department to penalise foreign governments and companies doing business with Russia’s defence and intelligence sectors

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However, we have learned from the CIA Director Pompeo that Russia is still meddling and to expect meddling in the 2018 mid tems.

Tillerson said the Russians meddled and will meddle in the 2018 elections.

Dan Coats, National Intelligence agency director also says the Russians are still meddlling.


SO why isn't Trump's Treasury department carrying out the sanctions?

Why isn't he calling for legislation aimed at protecting our elections?
Why is he lashing out at his own appointees, and our intelligence agencies when tweeting and not Russia and Putin?

 

[majj27]

Congress passed the law, Trump signed the law.

Please explain how he is supposed to enforce what is signed into law? What specifically is he not doing?

From the White House website:
"The President is responsible for implementing and enforcing the laws written by Congress"

If he can't figure out how to do that, then he can't do his job.

 

[NightHawkeye]

The sanctions are not being carried out. It is law, and his administration as not enacted them.


Trump administration holds off on new Russia sanctions, despite law

The Trump administration said on Monday it would not immediately impose additional sanctions on Russia, despite a new law designed to punish Moscow’s alleged meddling in the 2016 U.S. election, insisting the measure was already hitting Russian companies.
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White House to Congress: Russia sanctions not needed now

The Trump administration informed lawmakers Monday that new Russia sanctions called for in a bipartisan bill passed last year are not necessary yet because the measure is already "serving as a deterrent."

The announcement came as lawmakers in both parties nudged the administration to implement sanctions legislation that passed overwhelmingly in July — with only five no votes in both the House and Senate. The sanctions bill requires the imposition of penalties by Monday against entities doing "significant" business with Moscow's defense and intelligence sectors, unless Congress is notified that prospective targets are "substantially reducing" that business.
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Donald Trump refuses to impose new sanctions on Russia

The Trump administration has announced it will not impose additional sanctions on Russia, despite Congress passing a lawallowing the President to do so.

With Monday the deadline for the White House to impose any new measures, the US State Department insisted the threat of sanctions was already acting as a deterrent.

The new sanctions would have required the US Treasury Department to penalise foreign governments and companies doing business with Russia’s defence and intelligence sectors

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However, we have learned from the CIA Director Pompeo that Russia is still meddling and to expect meddling in the 2018 mid tems.

Tillerson said the Russians meddled and will meddle in the 2018 elections.

Dan Coats, National Intelligence agency director also says the Russians are still meddlling.


SO why isn't Trump's Treasury department carrying out the sanctions?

Why isn't he calling for legislation aimed at protecting our elections?
Why is he lashing out at his own appointees, and our intelligence agencies when tweeting and not Russia and Putin?

The 'operative' portion is this ...

The Trump administration has announced it will not impose additional sanctions on Russia, despite Congress passing a law allowing the President to do so.​

So Congress ALLOWS the president to impose additional sanctions ... and you are complaining that he hasn't used all of those allowed sanctions ... which sanctions were written to allow executive discretion in their enforcement.

How do you feel about Trump enforcing all immigration law?

 

[FreeinChrist]

Again, as Russia is continuing to meddle and it is expected that they will meddle in the 2018 midtems, why isn't Trump and the Treasury Dept enforcing the sanctions?

Russia Is Already Trying to Undermine the 2018 Elections

The nation’s top spies told Congress Tuesday that Russia has taken steps to influence the 2018 U.S. midterm elections and plans to harness an arsenal of propaganda, social media, false personas, other means of influence to try to meddle in the American political system.

Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats said Russia has determined that cyber operations to disrupt the 2016 presidential campaign was “successful,” and this year’s midterms is the next likely target. With voting in some parts of the country beginning in March, the intelligence community is educating state and local governments for the attacks, he said.

“We need to inform the American public that this is real, that this is going to happen,” he told the Senate Intelligence Committee. America needs “to stand up and say we’re not going to allow some Russian to tell us how to vote, how we ought to run our country. And I think there needs to be a national cry for that.“
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Why is Trump ignoring this?

 

[FenderTL5]

Again, as Russia is continuing to meddle and it is expected that they will meddle in the 2018 midtems, why isn't Trump and the Treasury Dept enforcing the sanctions..

Why is Trump ignoring this?

He's not ignoring it. He's tucking it safely into his hip pocket for ready use if/when democrats take control of the legislative body(s) this fall.

 

[Halbhh]

Before being appointed, Robert Mueller was already universally respected.

wiki:
Robert Swan Mueller III (born August 7, 1945) is an American lawyer and civil servant who was the sixth Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation from 2001 to 2013.[3] A Republican, he was appointed by President George W. Bush and his original ten-year term was given a two-year extension by President Barack Obama, making him the longest-serving FBI director since J. Edgar Hoover. He is currently head of the Special Counsel investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections.

A graduate of Princeton University, Mueller served as a Marine Corps officer during the Vietnam War, receiving the Bronze Star Medal with Combat "V" for heroism and the Purple Heart Medal. After graduating from the University of Virginia School of Law in 1973, he worked at a private firm in San Francisco for three years until his appointment as an assistant U.S. Attorney in the same city. Prior to his appointment as FBI Director, Mueller served as a United States Attorney, as United States Assistant Attorney General for the Criminal Division and as Acting U.S. Deputy Attorney General.

In May 2017, Mueller was appointed by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein as special counsel overseeing an ongoing investigation into alleged foreign electoral intervention by Russia in the 2016 U.S. presidential election.[4]


Trump trash talked Mueller at times though, when it looked as if Mueller might possibly find out some person Trump had hired was doing criminal stuff. (Which has in fact happened actually, for several now)

If tomorrow Trump started trash talking George Washington, would people think Washington was a really bad president?

 

[Albion]

...are likely to further incite mistrust in the institutions of democracy and government​

That's rich, but not totally surprising, given that the DNC almost always accuses the GOP of having done what the Dems themselves have been up to--such, for example, as charging Trump with having colluded with the Russians.

 

[FreeinChrist]

I do find this Democratic Party talking point to be almost amusing. Almost. And that's because of its predictability.

That comes out of the intelligence community and the charges against the 13 Russians. It is not a Democratic talking point.

They incite distrust and sponsor violence against the administration and the President, openly professing their intention to undo the 2016 election, saying that the president "Is NOT my president," etc.

...and now Trump and his administration are to blame for the Democrats'
campaign against America??!!

Trump is not America, Albion. He is not the king or emperor who are defined as the country they rule.
Folks protested and still protest the election of a man who they see as unfit and immoral and will damage the country.

That's rich, but not totally surprising, given that the DNC almost always accuses the GOP of having done what the Dems themselves have been up to--such, for example, as charging Trump with having colluded with the Russians.

Talk about rich - I have always found that when the Republicans are accusing the Dems of anything, it is because they are doing it more and are trying to distract away from what they are doing.

The Trump team did have contacts with Russians and lied about it til it was found out. Trump's SIL is does not have a security clearance yet - why? And why is he the one making the most requests for intelligence information in the White House? And why did he have to yet again adjust his application for security clearance to add more information regarding banking?

Mueller will figure it out.

 

[Halbhh]

2016 election, saying that the president "Is NOT my president," etc

That actually was one of the specific phrases -- "not my president" -- we just saw reported in the investigation here.

Some rallies organized/instigated by the Russian state effort to cause trouble in the U.S. --

• June 25: March for Trump New York
• July 9: Support Hillary. Save American Muslims Washington, D.C.
• July 23: Down with Hillary New York
• Aug. 20: Florida Goes Trump several Florida cities
• Oct. 2: Miners for Trump several Pennsylvania cities
• Nov. 12: Show your support for President-Elect Donald Trump New York
• Nov. 12: Trump is NOT my President New York
• Nov. 19: Charlotte Against Trump Charlotte, N.C
• The Propaganda Tools Used by Russians to Influence the 2016 Election

 

[Albion]

Trump is not America, Albion. .

...a point that millions of Americans would like the Democratic Party to realize.

When you try to overthrow the government because you don't like the choice of the voters, you are really working to undermine America more than the occupant of the White House.

 

[majj27]

...a point that millions of Americans would like the Democratic Party to realize.

When you try to overthrow the government because you don't like the choice of the voters, you are really working to undermine America more than the occupant of the White House.

Investigating possible violations of law and ethics on the part of a president and criticizing his decisions is not "overthrowing the government" by any rational standard.

 

[Halbhh]

...a point that millions of Americans would like the Democratic Party to realize.

When you try to overthrow the government because you don't like the choice of the voters, you are really working to undermine America more than the occupant of the White House.

It appears as if you are suggesting we are trying to overthrow the government.

Who do you see as trying to overthrow the government? ( I'm not sure whether you really mean to imply we here examining Trump's actions and sounding alarms about Trump are 'trying to overthrow the government', so I am asking what you are thinking in more detail.)

If you don't mean that we here in the thread are trying to overthrow the government, then why do you say that here in this thread?

Do you feel that when we look for wrongdoing in government, that is equal to undermining government?

We see it as trying to uphold government.

 

[szechuan]

...a point that millions of Americans would like the Democratic Party to realize.

When you try to overthrow the government because you don't like the choice of the voters, you are really working to undermine America more than the occupant of the White House.

So Holding People in power Accountable and in check is overthrowing the government?

Now that is quite the Anti-American mindset.

 

[Albion]

Investigating possible violations of law and ethics on the part of a president and criticizing his decisions is not "overthrowing the government" by any rational standard.

I didn't say that was.

 

[szechuan]

I didn't say that was.

You suggested it.

 

[Albion]

No, I did not.

 

[majj27]

No, I did not.

*ahem*

...a point that millions of Americans would like the Democratic Party to realize.

When you try to overthrow the government because you don't like the choice of the voters, you are really working to undermine America more than the occupant of the White House.

So are Democrats and their supporters trying to overthrow the government or not?

*HINT* The correct answer is "NO".