Trump is asked, "how has your faith grown since you decided in 2015 to run for president?"

durangodawood said:

"His numbers."

Reminds me of "I built that!"

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I am addressing the poster who is speaking in first person terms with both Carter and Trump - hope that helps.

Trump Economic, Crime, etc. Numbers

People seem to like to give credit or blame mostly to a president, even though they are only like a ship captain that has to manage by democracy (!?....imagine real ship captains having to manage by democracy)....and also the captain can't control the weather that the ship has already sailed into... or a sudden event like an unexpected ice berg, etc .....

Ok, then, let's look at Trump's numbers (if you like to think a president is the main factor by himself...)


As we did for his predecessor four years ago, we present a final look at the numbers.

• The economy lost 2.9 million jobs. The unemployment rate increased by 1.6 percentage points to 6.3%.
• Paychecks grew faster than inflation. Average weekly earnings for all workers were up 8.7% after inflation.
• After-tax corporate profits went up, and the stock market set new records. The S&P 500 index rose 67.8%.
• The international trade deficit Trump promised to reduce went up. The U.S. trade deficit in goods and services in 2020 was the highest since 2008 and increased 40.5% from 2016.
• The number of people lacking health insurance rose by 3 million.
• The federal debt held by the public went up, from $14.4 trillion to $21.6 trillion.
• Home prices rose 27.5%, and the homeownership rate increased 2.1 percentage points to 65.8%.
• Illegal immigration increased. Apprehensions at the Southwest border rose 14.7% last year compared with 2016.
• Coal production declined 26.5%, and coal-mining jobs dropped by 16.7%. Carbon emissions from energy consumption dropped 11.5%.
• Handgun production rose 12.5% last year compared with 2016, setting a new record.
• The murder rate last year rose to the highest level since 1997.

@hislegacy you might have a surprise or 2...
@durangodawood you already know it's not just a president entirely, but I thought you'd like to see anyway.

Astoundingly by himself, by lowering taxes a lot, Trump did help pump up the U.S. budget deficit enormously -- and increased overall U.S. federal debt:

• The federal debt [During Trump's Term] held by the public went up, from $14.4 trillion to $21.6 trillion.

even though there was no excuse like a recession at that moment when the tax cut happened.

About 3.1 Trillion of that federal deficit spending happened in 2020 under Trump, where only about something less than but up to about ~$1 Trillion of the deficit in 2020 was really Trump's fault alone, and the other $2 Trillion was due to the pandemic.

At least Biden had initially a great excuse that there was a large recession already happening and getting worse before he took office in January 2021. But the 2021 deficit was actually just $2.7 Trillion, even though the economy had taken a major hit in 2020, shrinking, and the pandemic was ongoing still. The 2022 budget deficit was about ~ $1.4 Trillion. But in part, this size was also partly due to Trump's tax cuts that had not been reversed along with Biden's ambitious spending to help recovery.

NxNW said:

I haven't heard any damaging revelations about Biden, except for the ones that are made up. Certainly nothing resulting in an indictment.

How many indictments does Trump have now?


How many charges does Biden have?

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Oops three times. Georgia has merely been gleefully giving spoiler alerts, so far. We have to wait until the next damaging and corrupt thing about the Biden family comes out, and then issue it, to move Biden out of the news cycle.

Who's in charge right now? Biden. So yeah, he and his family have not been charged yet nor will they until this occupation ends.

Halbhh said:

@hislegacy you might have a surprise or 2...

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And he was still head and shoulders better than Carter.

wing2000 said:

You have it reversed. The right wing media has been pushing their "Hunter Biden" talking points for the last couple of weeks in anticipation of the Jan 6th indictments. It's pathetic how many people fall for this....

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No, you have it reversed. It's been one-two punch for months.

Indictment 1 - Hunter finally admitted laptop was his, which everyone knew and the state media denied, and the government had suppressed all discussion of this story using social media to get Biden elected, a serious constitutional violation, by the way. Within hours, Bragg indicted Trump in New York, shifting all news coverage of Biden media (all left wing outlets, which is most of them) to Trump. Hours were spent on MSNBC and that ilk, bewailing Trump nonstop. Mission accomplished.

Indictment 2 - It is revealed that Ukraine paid Hunter 5 mil. Immediately, Trump indicted on Maralago documents. All talk is of Trump and documents (despite Joe Biden having documents all over the east coast and even piled in his garage).

3 Devon Archer testifies that Biden indeed spoke with business partners of Hunter (with Hunter) a large number of times, debunking Joe Biden's frequent comments that he never spoke to his son about business. Immediately Smith trots out the Jan 6 indictment shifting all talk to Trump again, and away from all the Biden stuff. Mission accomplished to turn the coverage again. (Smith's charges are just a rehash of the failed impeachment but that's another issue).

What goes around comes around. So when the next damaging information or whistleblower comes out against the Biden family, expect the Georgia indictment.

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RestoreTheJoy said:

What goes around comes around. So when the next damaging information or whistleblower comes out against the Biden family, expect the Georgia indictment.

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LOL. I have no doubt Commer and company are working on their next line of attack. They seem to have a hungry audience.

Handmaid for Jesus said:

Well since you said it that way, you must also include nominal Christians of all denominations. I don't think he is even nominal. He is a wolf, a tare.

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While I do agree I have to say that he did a lot better than I ever expected and unfortunately in my opinion he’s been the better candidate in supporting the Conservative Party in the last two elections. I remember when it was between him and Clinton I said “great our choice is either satan or the antichrist”.

RestoreTheJoy said:

Indictment 1 - Hunter finally admitted laptop was his

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This never happened.

RestoreTheJoy said:

which everyone knew and the state media denied, and the government had suppressed all discussion of this story using social media to get Biden elected, a serious constitutional violation, by the way.

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All of that is false.

RestoreTheJoy said:

Within hours, Bragg indicted Trump in New York, shifting all news coverage of Biden media (all left wing outlets, which is most of them) to Trump. Hours were spent on MSNBC and that ilk, bewailing Trump nonstop. Mission accomplished.

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What mission is that? The media is not where these cases are tried.

RestoreTheJoy said:

Indictment 2 - It is revealed that Ukraine paid Hunter 5 mil.

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You got a problem with a man having a job?

RestoreTheJoy said:

Immediately, Trump indicted on Maralago documents. All talk is of Trump and documents (despite Joe Biden having documents all over the east coast and even piled in his garage).

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All over the coast, eh?

RestoreTheJoy said:

3 Devon Archer testifies that Biden indeed spoke with business partners of Hunter (with Hunter) a large number of times, debunking Joe Biden's frequent comments that he never spoke to his son about business.

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Archer's testimony cleared Biden. Try to keep up.

RestoreTheJoy said:

Immediately Smith trots out the Jan 6 indictment shifting all talk to Trump again, and away from all the Biden stuff. Mission accomplished to turn the coverage again. (Smith's charges are just a rehash of the failed impeachment but that's another issue).

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I'm unaware of a failed impeachment.

RestoreTheJoy said:

What goes around comes around. So when the next damaging information or whistleblower comes out against the Biden family, expect the Georgia indictment.

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All this could have been avoided if Trump hadn't committed so many crimes.

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....What goes around comes around. So when the next damaging information or whistleblower comes out against the Biden family, expect the Georgia indictment.

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“Just say that the election was corrupt + leave the rest to me and the R. Congressmen.”

Say it aint so said:

Extenuating circumstances not under one's control don't matter, be it the oil embargo under Carter that caused inflation. Or the pandemic that caused inflation under Biden and the pandemic job loses under Trump.
You can't have your cake and eat it too.

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The number are still better under Trump as demonstrated on the graphs -

Trump inflation - 2.5% at it's height
Carter inflation - 19% at it's height.

Which is better?

Trump GDP - 5.95 at it's highest
Carter GDP - 5.35 at it's highest

Which is better?

RestoreTheJoy said:

They don't like what he SAID. Speech is still protected. Even wrong speech.

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Like 'the election was stolen'? He can keep saying that until his dying day (and will almost certainly do that). But he hasn't been indicted for saying that. Maybe you should check.

wing2000 said:

LOL. I have no doubt Commer and company are working on their next line of attack. They seem to have a hungry audience.

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Comer isn't the one shooting indictments out like water from a firehose. Biden's DOJ and associates are, so I think we can tell who is hungry to remove an opponent by whatever means possible, even if that only means tying him up in endless litigation. I think it is going to backfire, but we shall see.

NxNW said:

This never happened.

All of that is false.

What mission is that? The media is not where these cases are tried.

You got a problem with a man having a job?

All over the coast, eh?

Archer's testimony cleared Biden. Try to keep up.

I'm unaware of a failed impeachment.

All this could have been avoided if Trump hadn't committed so many crimes.

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Yes, it most decidedly DID happen, that Biden's attorney admitted the laptop was his:
In the 14-page letter to Delaware Attorney General Kathy Jennings, Biden’s attorney Abbe Lowell claimed that repair shop owner John Paul Mac Isaac “unlawfully” accessed Hunter’s laptop data and worked with former President Donald Trump’s personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani to “weaponize” sordid and incriminating contents on it against Joe Biden.


“This failed dirty political trick directly resulted in the exposure, exploitation, and manipulation of Mr. Biden’s private and personal information,” Lowell (his own attorney) wrote.

Perhaps you've been out of the news cycle -

YES, it most decidedly DID happen that the laptop story was suppressed in media and on social media:

CNN: Former Twitter executives acknowledged to lawmakers Wednesday that the social media company erred when it temporarily suppressed a New York Post story regarding Hunter Biden’s laptop in October 2020, but the officials emphasized there was no government involvement in the decision.

Facebook did it too. Both removed any posts that even discussed the laptop, including the outlet that broke the story, the New York Post.

Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook restricting a story about Joe Biden's son during the 2020 election was based on FBI misinformation warnings.
The New York Post alleged leaked emails from Hunter Biden's laptop showed the then vice-president was helping his son's business dealings in Ukraine.
Facebook and Twitter restricted sharing of the article, before reversing course amid allegations of censorship.
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The New York Post story was released just weeks before the presidential election between Joe Biden and Donald Trump, which Mr Biden won.

Yes, the government was decidedly involved, if you watched the Congressional hearings. It had inside access to Twitter and FB and other media outlets, and directed them what needed to be "handled" (removed). The Twitter files are available for you to read any time, where all of this was detailed.

"There is also a formalized process for government officials to directly flag content on Facebook or Instagram and request that it be throttled or suppressed through a special Facebook portal that requires a government or law enforcement email to use. At the time of writing, the “content request system” at facebook.com/xtakedowns/login is still live. DHS and Meta, the parent company of Facebook, did not respond to a request for comment. The FBI declined to comment."


Jen Psaki even bragged about how the government made sure to censor "misinformation" on social media (meaning anything that contradicted the official narrative, even if true).


It also censored vaccine experts who failed to agree with the mainstream narrative being promoted, even if they were doctor and scientific experts as well, so election interference wasn't the only unconstitutional suppression, by the way.

What is the mission? The mission is to shape ONE acceptable public narrative (even if wrong), and discourage discussion of the information, by experts and/or lay people. When something happens that isn't supportive of the mainstream narrative - in this case, the Biden corruption scandal where more and more evidence, whistleblowers, emails, letters, financial documents, etc are supporting an obvious scheme, - here come the indictments, spaced out carefully to suck up all the media time and deflect from Hunter Biden and Joe Biden's involvement. When all Biden (that used to be real journalists, after the actual story) all deflect to "But TRUMP!", the mission is accomplished. Funny that three years after he's gone, that is still all they talk about.

The silly responses deserve no answer, but here is where you need to keep up:

Archer's testimony transcript has been released now. It decidedly does not "clear Biden" and no, they were not "talking about the weather" at 20+ phone calls and multiple dinners with foreign investors and corrupt businessmen which President Biden (then VP) attended.

Archer said the "Biden brand” played a significant role in preventing the Burisma Holdings from bankruptcy, and that Joe Biden WAS "the brand", and that was why Hunter got the job in the first place (Hunter did not practice as an attorney in this job). Archer stated flat out, when asked, that it was odd that any middle-aged man at work would call Dad and put him on the speaker-phone in the middle of business meetings. Archer said that Burisma execs repeatedly made contact with DC to get the Prosecutor who was investigating Burisma fired. He stated that after one dinner he attended that millions were wired to Rosemont. He testified that funds were disbursed through various foreign companies to the Biden family members (remember, they have NO legitimate business). Archer testified that in April 2014 there was an incoming wire for $142,300 which he said was used by Hunter Biden to buy a sports car, "I believe it was a Fisker first and then a Porsche...For an expensive car, yes."

Here's the transcript, just released Devon Archer Transcript (1) | PDF | Perjury

There were TWO failed impeachments. "Being Impeached" means "accusation" It is not a determination of guilt, as the average lay person misunderstands it to be. Impeachment is only to be used for those who commit "Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors," requires a majority vote by the House of Representatives, and then conviction by a two-thirds vote in the Senate.

What was the outcome of both Trump Impeachments? Acquittal, both times.

So since that didn't work to get him out of the way, the Indictments started coming on the same set of facts.

You also seem unaware that there is a presumption of innocence in U.S. law. Innocent until proven guilty.

You may wish to acquaint yourself with this information and these legal principles before commenting on topics on which you are unclear.

RestoreTheJoy said:

“This failed dirty political trick directly resulted in the exposure, exploitation, and manipulation of Mr. Biden’s private and personal information,” Lowell (his own attorney) wrote.

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A laptop is not information. The information is personal data.

RestoreTheJoy said:

Archer's testimony transcript has been released now.

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I know. I've read much of it.

RestoreTheJoy said:

It decidedly does not "clear Biden" and no, they were not "talking about the weather" at 20+ phone calls

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So, quoting from Archer's testimony, what did they talk about?

RestoreTheJoy said:

Archer said the "Biden brand” played a significant role in preventing the Burisma Holdings from bankruptcy, and that Joe Biden WAS "the brand",

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Q So when you talk about selling the brand --
A Uh-huh.
Q -- it's not about selling access to his father. It's about selling the illusion of access to his father. Is that fair?
A Is that fair? I mean, yeah, that is -- I think that's -- that's almost fair. Almost fair.
Q Almost Fair? Why almost fair?
A Because there -- there is -- there are touch points and contact points that I
can't deny that happened, but nothing of material was discussed.

RestoreTheJoy said:

Yes, it most decidedly DID happen, that Biden's attorney admitted the laptop was his

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Never happened. The lawsuit was about the unlawful access to his data, and nowhere did it confirm a laptop.

RestoreTheJoy said:

Perhaps you've been out of the news cycle -

YES, it most decidedly DID happen that the laptop story was suppressed in media and on social media:

CNN: Former Twitter executives acknowledged to lawmakers Wednesday that the social media company erred when it temporarily suppressed a New York Post story regarding Hunter Biden’s laptop in October 2020, but the officials emphasized there was no government involvement in the decision.

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So you admit the government was not involved. I'm glad that's cleared up.

RestoreTheJoy said:

Archer's testimony transcript has been released now.

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Yes, and it clears Biden, as we already established.

RestoreTheJoy said:

There were TWO failed impeachments. "Being Impeached" means "accusation" It is not a determination of guilt, as the average lay person misunderstands it to be. Impeachment is only to be used for those who commit "Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors," requires a majority vote by the House of Representatives, and then conviction by a two-thirds vote in the Senate.

What was the outcome of both Trump Impeachments? Acquittal, both times.

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No, that was the outcome of the Senate trial. Trump was successfully impeached in the House. You need to learn your terminology.

RestoreTheJoy said:

You also seem unaware that there is a presumption of innocence in U.S. law. Innocent until proven guilty.

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I never claimed otherwise.

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You may wish to acquaint yourself with this information and these legal principles before commenting on topics on which you are unclear.

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See above. You didn't even bother to read Hunter's lawsuit before making false claims about a laptop. You also misunderstand what impeachment is. You also failed to understand the nature of Archer's testimony.

essentialsaltes said:

A laptop is not information. The information is personal data.


I know. I've read much of it.

So, quoting from Archer's testimony, what did they talk about?

Q So when you talk about selling the brand --
A Uh-huh.
Q -- it's not about selling access to his father. It's about selling the illusion of access to his father. Is that fair?
A Is that fair? I mean, yeah, that is -- I think that's -- that's almost fair. Almost fair.
Q Almost Fair? Why almost fair?
A Because there -- there is -- there are touch points and contact points that I
can't deny that happened, but nothing of material was discussed.

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Biden's information: It is an admission.
Selling the "illusion of access."

Seemed pretty successful, considering the millions that have flowed in to the Biden family from various oligarchs with whom Hunter did business.

It was pompous and stupid, but not THAT stupid....Joe didn't actually say anything personally damning...he's been in politics for 50+ years. But Hunter did in several communications.

NxNW said:

Never happened. The lawsuit was about the unlawful access to his data, and nowhere did it confirm a laptop.

So you admit the government was not involved. I'm glad that's cleared up.

Yes, and it clears Biden, as we already established.

No, that was the outcome of the Senate trial. Trump was successfully impeached in the House. You need to learn your terminology.

I never claimed otherwise.

See above. You didn't even bother to read Hunter's lawsuit before making false claims about a laptop. You also misunderstand what impeachment is. You also failed to understand the nature of Archer's testimony.

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The laptop was confirmed as Biden's by his own attorney. End of story.

Trump was acquitted in BOTH impeachments. Perhaps you should review the actual facts.

2nd Impeachment: "Exactly a month and a week after insurrectionists incited a riot at the Capitol on Jan. 6, former President Donald Trump's second impeachment trial came to a climactic end on Saturday afternoon, with Trump being acquitted for his alleged role of inciting the deadly event. A majority of senators voted to convict the former president, but failed to reach the super majority threshold needed for a conviction."

1st Impeachment: The first impeachment trial of Donald Trump, the 45th president of the United States, began in the U.S. Senate on January 16, 2020, and concluded with his acquittal on February 5.

Biden is NOT cleared, by any means. Archer merely refuted the lies that Biden knew nothing of Hunter's business or partners, after it came out that he was in dozens of phone calls with foreign business partners of his middle-aged son. Financial records, Suspicious banking reports, 20 shell companies connected with the family, dumping money into family members' accounts. This is only getting started.

RestoreTheJoy said:

The laptop was confirmed as Biden's by his own attorney.

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You're lying. Maybe you should read the lawsuit.

RestoreTheJoy said:

Trump was acquitted in BOTH impeachments. Perhaps you should review the actual facts.

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Perhaps you should review what an impeachment is versus a Senate trial.

RestoreTheJoy said:

Biden is NOT cleared, by any means. Archer merely refuted the lies that Biden knew nothing of Hunter's business or partners, after it came out that he was in dozens of phone calls with foreign business partners of his middle-aged son. Financial records, Suspicious banking reports, 20 shell companies connected with the family, dumping money into family members' accounts. This is only getting started.

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All of that is false. Archer's testimony cleared Joe Biden. There are no bank records showing he received bribes.

If you had evidence, you'd post it. Even the GOP is admitting they don't have anything.