Trump Calls Stimulus Oversight Provisions Unconstitutional

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https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...-stimulus-trump-inspector-general-wont-comply

President Donald Trump said on Friday that he will not adhere to a portion of the $2 trillion coronavirus stimulus bill that would authorize an inspector general to oversee how $500 billion in business loans will be spent.

That bill also establishes a Special Inspector General for Pandemic Recovery (SIGPR) within the Treasury Department to audit and investigate half a trillion dollars in loans for large businesses. In his signing statement, Trump said that this provision raises “constitutional concerns,” adding that his administration would not comply with such an official’s request for documents.

“I do not understand, and my Administration will not treat, this provision as permitting the SIGPR to issue reports to the Congress without the presidential supervision required by the Take Care Clause,” part of Article II Section 3 of the Constitution that states a sitting president “shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed.” This seems to suggest the administration believes it is the president’s duty and not that of an inspector general to ensure the funds are distributed as the law intends.

Trump's full statement:
Statement by the President | The White House

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If only there was some way for Trump to do away with that pesky Constitution. Then he could profit from bailouts and kill the citizens of the States who’s Governors he doesn’t like with no one able to do anything about it.
 
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I’ve said it before and I’ll probably say several more times before this is over. The president is a worse scourge upon our country than the coronavirus itself. He makes a difficult situation unimaginably worse.
 
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Hi iluvatar,

I know that when President Obama was faced with the same exact task, the U.S. Treasury bought warrants in the corporations that were handed the money. I certainly wonder 'why' the person responsible for handing out $550B would be against some oversight as to 'who' and 'how' that big ocean of cash is given away. However, I'm not particularly familiar with the new bill and so would be interested in what other 'controls' might be put in place.

Despite what many seem to believe, President Trump has never really been a particularly savvy businessman. He's made a lot of money, but so have a lot of other people with a lot fewer bankruptcies and losses along the way.

God bless,
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I’ve said it before and I’ll probably say several more times before this is over. The president is a worse scourge upon our country than the coronavirus itself. He makes a difficult situation unimaginably worse.

I humbly admit that I was naive to think that Trump was finally getting his act together last week. I know now that I was sorely mistaken and I've been eating my words ever since. I thought I saw a glimmer of hope in him, but apparently it was just the sun glaring in my eyes. I'll just say that I won't make the same mistake again. It was a lesson learned of how a leopard never changes its spots.
 
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I humbly admit that I was naive to think that Trump was finally getting his act together last week. I know now that I was sorely mistaken and I've been eating my words ever since. I thought I saw a glimmer of hope in him, but apparently it was just the sun glaring in my eyes. I'll just say that I won't make the same mistake again. It was a lesson learned of how a leopard never changes its spots.
No no. I totally get your approach, but don’t be so hard on yourself. I think in a way we’re all trying to come together somehow, ironically, while we’re all supposed to keep our distance from each other. I think it’s a natural response to the situation and believe me, I’ve tried on my own to put my criticisms of the president or his response to the situation aside at this time but there’s things that just really get under my skin and I can’t hold back. The president is a lost cause. I really think he is irredeemable at this point. If a national emergency of this magnitude hasn’t humbled him in the slightest, there is no hope he’ll come around at all, I’m afraid.
 
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The fact that he is actively fighting any oversight over this bailout is hugely suspicious --- what is being concealed?
Maybe nothing. That's the trouble with Trump. His heedlessness invites suspicion even when it isn't
 
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The fact that he is actively fighting any oversight over this bailout is hugely suspicious --- what is being concealed?

Kickback and self-dealing, as like as not.
 
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The fact that he is actively fighting any oversight over this bailout is hugely suspicious --- what is being concealed?


My guess, the substantial chunk of stimulus money he plans to give the Trump Organization.
 
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As an older member here, it never fails to amaze just how many blame our politicians for anything anymore.
We all live in the most apathetic free country in the history of man and are indeed responsible ourselves for who we elect to office per the brave sacrifices of those who entrusted us with this God blessed task.
We fail at keepng our fiscally irresponsible and God-less neighbor in check yet blame whoever THEY elect for a $2.2 trillion needless bill with no recorded vote required nor meaningful oversight.

Our children are clueless by no fault of their own as most of their parents (obviously) are/were as well for many generations now.
 
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As an older member here, it never fails to amaze just how many blame our politicians for anything anymore.

They have the power, the authority, and the money... why shouldn't they take the responsibility as well?

We all live in the most apathetic free country in the history of man and are indeed responsible ourselves for who we elect to office per the brave sacrifices of those who entrusted us with this God blessed task.

We are responsible for who get the offices; they are responsible for what they do once they get there.

We fail at keepng our fiscally irresponsible and God-less neighbor in check

Obviously you desire more control over your neighbor.

Be careful; they want more control over you, as well.

yet blame whoever THEY elect for a $2.2 trillion needless bill with no recorded vote required nor meaningful oversight.

Well, it was the elected officials who wrote the bill -- who's responsible for it?

Our children are clueless by no fault of their own as most of their parents (obviously) are/were as well for many generations now.

And whose fault is that?
 
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Why should the corporations be the only ones allowed to exploit this?

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Maybe nothing. That's the trouble with Trump. His heedlessness invites suspicion even when it isn't

Hi speedwell,

Just so long as you realize that your response started out with 'maybe' nothing. I think a lot of us have seen that if there's any way that Donald Trump can scam a system...he will. He's a lot like those who decry those who own 'welfare cadillacs'. They've just found ways, and often spend a great amount of time looking for ways, to scam what is supposed to be a good system for the betterment of others.

He scammed millions, perhaps billions of dollars through his Trump 'foundation'. He just knew that by forming what others have done in creating a charitable foundation that he can get his hands on more money with little oversight. Just by creating paper trails, he uses a good portion of those charitable proceeds for his own needs. He learned that 'trick' from his father. Fred taught him years ago how, especially in real estate, you can make a bill for just about anything and create a receipt that no one's really going to check if it's genuine or not, and pocket a lot of cash. Fred Trump scammed New York and Federal housing authorities for years using that tactic. He would present them with overinflated or just plain bogus bills and the various housing authorities that were trying to do good in getting housing built would pay them. Donald Trump did exactly the same thing with his Trump foundation.

Then we have the Trump University scam. Before that it was the refusal to pay righteous bills for agreed upon work when he was building his empire of casinos. I'm only guessing of course, but I'm certainly confident that's why he doesn't want us to see his tax returns. While the Federal tax authorities aren't likely to go researching receipts for writeoffs, if fact checking organizations get a hold of them, I imagine there'll be a watershed of bogus receipts. It's how his father taught him to do business. It's why the operational officers of his corporations are family members. He is teaching them the same things that his father taught him and they care about their father and have been indoctrinated into his understanding of 'scamming is winning!'

Lately he's tried to steer government business to his hotels and resorts. He just this week laid out that he wasn't going to work with any governors who didn't support him. Donald Trump is an egotistical despot dictator and it's the way he's run his businesses and it's the way he's now trying to run the country. Fortunately, the country has some checks and balances in place to prevent him running roughshod over everyone like he has done in his business life.

That's Donald J. Trump. It's who the man is and it's why, no matter his political agenda, I don't find him to be a qualified candidate to serve in a public office. There is no understanding of, 'my job is to work for the betterment of others', in his thinking. His personal nature is a blasphemous blowhard, narcissistic niggler and iron fisted despotic authoritarion. None of which, to me, are good qualities in a public political officeholder.

God bless,
In Christ, ted
 
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Hi speedwell,

Just so long as you realize that your response started out with 'maybe' nothing. I think a lot of us have seen that if there's any way that Donald Trump can scam a system...he will. He's a lot like those who decry those who own 'welfare cadillacs'. They've just found ways, and often spend a great amount of time looking for ways, to scam what is supposed to be a good system for the betterment of others.

He scammed millions, perhaps billions of dollars through his Trump 'foundation'. He just knew that by forming what others have done in creating a charitable foundation that he can get his hands on more money with little oversight. Just by creating paper trails, he uses a good portion of those charitable proceeds for his own needs. He learned that 'trick' from his father. Fred taught him years ago how, especially in real estate, you can make a bill for just about anything and create a receipt that no one's really going to check if it's genuine or not, and pocket a lot of cash. Fred Trump scammed New York and Federal housing authorities for years using that tactic. He would present them with overinflated or just plain bogus bills and the various housing authorities that were trying to do good in getting housing built would pay them. Donald Trump did exactly the same thing with his Trump foundation.

Then we have the Trump University scam. Before that it was the refusal to pay righteous bills for agreed upon work when he was building his empire of casinos. I'm only guessing of course, but I'm certainly confident that's why he doesn't want us to see his tax returns. While the Federal tax authorities aren't likely to go researching receipts for writeoffs, if fact checking organizations get a hold of them, I imagine there'll be a watershed of bogus receipts. It's how his father taught him to do business. It's why the operational officers of his corporations are family members. He is teaching them the same things that his father taught him and they care about their father and have been indoctrinated into his understanding of 'scamming is winning!'

Lately he's tried to steer government business to his hotels and resorts. He just this week laid out that he wasn't going to work with any governors who didn't support him. Donald Trump is an egotistical despot dictator and it's the way he's run his businesses and it's the way he's now trying to run the country. Fortunately, the country has some checks and balances in place to prevent him running roughshod over everyone like he has done in his business life.

That's Donald J. Trump. It's who the man is and it's why, no matter his political agenda, I don't find him to be a qualified candidate to serve in a public office. There is no understanding of, 'my job is to work for the betterment of others', in his thinking. His personal nature is a blasphemous blowhard, narcissistic niggler and iron fisted despotic authoritarion. None of which, to me, are good qualities in a public political officeholder.

God bless,
In Christ, ted
That's why I said "maybe." I think he's gotten to the point where he kneejerks his resistance to oversight even if he hasn't got a scam in mind at the moment.
 
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That's why I said "maybe." I think he's gotten to the point where he kneejerks his resistance to oversight even if he hasn't got a scam in mind at the moment.

Hi speedwell,

Well, I certainly understand your position, I'm just not sure I've ever known that Donald J. Trump wasn't operating with some intention of scamming in just about everything that he does...except for maybe eating his lunch. He certainly scammed all of us on his commitment promise that President Obama played too much golf and that he was going to be too busy to play golf...winning!

I personally, can pretty well see the little wheels in Donald J. Trump's mind that are always whirring and spinning and turning to figure out some way to make money off of everything that he does. After all, he now makes money just by 'allowing' others to put his name on things. Once his wall gets built I would wouldn't be a bit surprised to see him order a plague to be engraved on the wall and he'll charge the treasury a 'name' fee every year in perpetuity for 'Trump' wall.

God bless,
In Christ, ted
 
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Why should the corporations be the only ones allowed to exploit this?

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Really. A fetus isn’t worth a few hundred bucks? Where are the Pro Life Republicans? Even the National Right to Life Coalition is avoiding a stance on the subject.
 
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"...As an older member here, it never fails to amaze just how many blame our politicians for anything anymore..."
[="TLK Valentine, post: 74841918, member: 306134"]They have the power, the authority, and the money... why shouldn't they take the responsibility as well?

Americans have always had the power, authority and money to change politician's minds and right the course this nation literally on a dime. Socially-based fears concerning their neighbors/fellow workers/loved ones, laziness, apathy and just plain asinine views concerning the proper role of government in their lives paralyzed most in to believing otherwise. "Responsibility" (and I know that they dd not teach you this in school, sorry) in America (as with faith) both starts and ends with the individual. The relationship between freedom and sacrifice in a nation with dead heroes in most every family is very similar.

[="TLK Valentine, post: 74841918, member: 306134"]"...We are responsible for who get the offices; they are responsible for what they do once they get there..."
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...which is why no politician ever worries about their immediate or future job performance from most younger than say 55 or so anymore.
Most (still) snot nosed young people very strongly believe that $2.2 trillion or $6 trillion (the actual amount) should always be something that they can argue at the next ballot box about...not anything that they are necessarily 'responsible' for whether easily avoidable (it's called 'fear of the electorate') in-office performances cripple our nation forever or not.
Spend that $1200 wisely my young friend..as a mark of the beast carried around as a result won't be near as easy a spend.
 
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Trump administration won’t say who got $511 billion in taxpayer-backed coronavirus loans

Federal officials responsible for spending $660 billion in taxpayer-backed small-business assistance said Wednesday that they will not disclose amounts or recipients of subsidized loans, backtracking on an earlier commitment to release individual loan data.

“As it relates to the names and amounts of specific PPP loans, we believe that that’s proprietary information, and in many cases for sole proprietors and small businesses, it is confidential information,” Mnuchin said in the hearing. “The reason why we’re not disclosing the names and amounts, unlike in the 7(a) program, is because of that issue.”

The Post is among 11 news organizations suing the SBA for access to records on loan recipients, amounts of loans and other basic information the agency has previously released. In response to questions from The Post on Wednesday, a Treasury Department spokesman said that disclosing “loan-level data” would risk the confidential business information of loan recipients.

The apparent decision to withhold loan records is the latest of several actions by the Trump administration that could shield the federal coronavirus response from public scrutiny.


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