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Trump border czar Tom Homan accuses Pope Francis of hypocrisy: 'He’s got a wall around the Vatican'

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A Trump administration official is accusing Pope Francis of hypocrisy for speaking out against mass deportations of illegal immigrants in the United States while living at the Vatican, which is surrounded by a wall.

When speaking to reporters Tuesday, Border Czar Tom Homan reacted to Pope Francis’ letter criticizing the Trump administration’s policies. Identifying himself as a baptized and confirmed Catholic, Homan responded, “I’ve got harsh words for the pope.”

Calling on the pope to “fix the Catholic Church,” Homan suggested that Francis’ move to “attack us for securing our border” was hypocritical: “He’s got a wall around the Vatican, does he not? So, he’s got a wall around to protect his people and himself but we can’t have a wall around the United States?”

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A Trump administration official is accusing Pope Francis of hypocrisy for speaking out against mass deportations of illegal immigrants in the United States while living at the Vatican, which is surrounded by a wall.

When speaking to reporters Tuesday, Border Czar Tom Homan reacted to Pope Francis’ letter criticizing the Trump administration’s policies. Identifying himself as a baptized and confirmed Catholic, Homan responded, “I’ve got harsh words for the pope.”

Calling on the pope to “fix the Catholic Church,” Homan suggested that Francis’ move to “attack us for securing our border” was hypocritical: “He’s got a wall around the Vatican, does he not? So, he’s got a wall around to protect his people and himself but we can’t have a wall around the United States?”

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There IS a wall around the Vatican. If pope Francis was consistent he would demolish all of that wall.
 
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There IS a wall around the Vatican. If pope Francis was consistent he would demolish all of that wall.
Yes and then there is the fact the have doubled down on their own security.
 
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There IS a wall around the Vatican. If pope Francis was consistent he would demolish all of that wall.
Well? My only comment is safety is important for both the Holy Father and nations, eh?
 
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I’ve been to the Vatican. There are walls, but it’s not totally enclosed.

This is very true, but there are areas where one cannot enter without going through security, and some which are very difficult or impossible to get access to without invitation. The public areas, when they are open, are St. Peter’s Square, the Basilica itself, and the Vatican museums, but the gardens, for example, one can only access through limited means, as well as the small private neighborhood located between the museums and the Apostolic Palace and the southeastern perimeter, and the area around the accommodation building where Pope Francis took up residence instead of the Apostolic Palace.

I quite love the architecture of the Vatican, but I do wish it were easier to access the gardens. I do understand and support the need to restrict access to clergy and church personnel for certain parts of the Vatican, and the Vatican has the Gendarmes in addition to the Pontifical Swiss Guard, and also its own fire department. It used to have additional volunteer security forces connected to the Vatican City nobility, including a mounted guard unit, but these institutions were controversially abolished by Pope Paul VI in the 1970s, but the issue was complex (there had been complaints about people with hereditary status as nobility of the Vatican City State, who had been among the nobility of the Papal States, evading traffic citations in Rome due to their Vatican City license plates, for example).

The Gendarmes are really the unsung heroes of Vatican City security, because they handle the very large number of crimes against pilgrims and tourists that occur in St. Peter’s Square, both by proactively patrolling for pickpockets and other criminals targeting pilgrims and tourists including through under-cover officers, and by making arrests and also prosecuting people who have committed crimes. The Vatican City has a court, but if I recall correctly, for people who engage in these offenses like pickpocketing of pilgrims and tourists, which is particularly mean-spirited to do in a sacred space like St. Peter’s Square, the Vatican City Gendarmes are able to hand them over to the Italian authorities such as the caribinieri or Roman municipal police for prosecution.

The Swiss Guard ensures the security of the Pope at the extra-terratorial posessions of the Holy See such as the Castel Gondolfo or the Cathedral of St. John Lateran, but I can’t recall if the Gendarmes patrol the three major extraterritorial basillicas in Rome (St. John Lateran, St. Paul-outside-the-Walls and St. Mary Maggiore) or if this is left to the Italian police, but these properties along with the Lateran palace are the equivalent to the chanceries of Papal Nuncios, embassies of the Sovereign Military Order of the Knights of Malta*, and other embassies around the world.

* Through this entity, the Pope is responsible for two separate entities that issue passports and have diplomatic accreditation. This is fairly unique among Christian churches; the closest that exists to this elsewhere is that Mount Athos in Greek is autonomous, controlled by the assembly of the hegumens (abbots) of the monasteries who assemble at the Great Lavra, the central monastery, and access to the peninsula is available only to monks, clergy and male pilgrims who obtain a permit from the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople (as opposed to the Archbishop of Athens - I believe this is because Mount Athos became part of Greece as the Ottoman Empire continued to contract later in the 19th century, rather than with the initial revolution, and so like Crete and Thessaloniki it is part of the Patriarchate of Constantinople rather than the autocephalous Church of Greece).
 
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Yes and then there is the fact the have doubled down on their own security.
I think lawmakers in the USA should follow the lead of pope Francis. Finish the wall and copy the laws the Vatican has on illegal aliens. Really toughen up the border by making it more like the Vatican. How could the pope complain.
 
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I’ve been to the Vatican. There are walls, but it’s not totally enclosed.
You can come to visit and see the sights but you cannot stay.
 
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This is very true, but there are areas where one cannot enter without going through security, and some which are very difficult or impossible to get access to without invitation. The public areas, when they are open, are St. Peter’s Square, the Basilica itself, and the Vatican museums, but the gardens, for example, one can only access through limited means, as well as the small private neighborhood located between the museums and the Apostolic Palace and the southeastern perimeter, and the area around the accommodation building where Pope Francis took up residence instead of the Apostolic Palace.

I quite love the architecture of the Vatican, but I do wish it were easier to access the gardens. I do understand and support the need to restrict access to clergy and church personnel for certain parts of the Vatican, and the Vatican has the Gendarmes in addition to the Pontifical Swiss Guard, and also its own fire department. It used to have additional volunteer security forces connected to the Vatican City nobility, including a mounted guard unit, but these institutions were controversially abolished by Pope Paul VI in the 1970s, but the issue was complex (there had been complaints about people with hereditary status as nobility of the Vatican City State, who had been among the nobility of the Papal States, evading traffic citations in Rome due to their Vatican City license plates, for example).

The Gendarmes are really the unsung heroes of Vatican City security, because they handle the very large number of crimes against pilgrims and tourists that occur in St. Peter’s Square, both by proactively patrolling for pickpockets and other criminals targeting pilgrims and tourists including through under-cover officers, and by making arrests and also prosecuting people who have committed crimes. The Vatican City has a court, but if I recall correctly, for people who engage in these offenses like pickpocketing of pilgrims and tourists, which is particularly mean-spirited to do in a sacred space like St. Peter’s Square, the Vatican City Gendarmes are able to hand them over to the Italian authorities such as the caribinieri or Roman municipal police for prosecution.

The Swiss Guard ensures the security of the Pope at the extra-terratorial posessions of the Holy See such as the Castel Gondolfo or the Cathedral of St. John Lateran, but I can’t recall if the Gendarmes patrol the three major extraterritorial basillicas in Rome (St. John Lateran, St. Paul-outside-the-Walls and St. Mary Maggiore) or if this is left to the Italian police, but these properties along with the Lateran palace are the equivalent to the chanceries of Papal Nuncios, embassies of the Sovereign Military Order of the Knights of Malta*, and other embassies around the world.

* Through this entity, the Pope is responsible for two separate entities that issue passports and have diplomatic accreditation. This is fairly unique among Christian churches; the closest that exists to this elsewhere is that Mount Athos in Greek is autonomous, controlled by the assembly of the hegumens (abbots) of the monasteries who assemble at the Great Lavra, the central monastery, and access to the peninsula is available only to monks, clergy and male pilgrims who obtain a permit from the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople (as opposed to the Archbishop of Athens - I believe this is because Mount Athos became part of Greece as the Ottoman Empire continued to contract later in the 19th century, rather than with the initial revolution, and so like Crete and Thessaloniki it is part of the Patriarchate of Constantinople rather than the autocephalous Church of Greece).
Yes, the main area in front of the Basilica is open to all. To get to the Scavi to see where St. Peter was buried I had to go up to a Swiss guard by the gate for the area where the residences are and then go through security. I came out up a level from where the popes are entombed, a level below the main floor.
 
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Anyone can walk into Vatican City and it is perfectly legal.
So America should be like the Vatican? The Bible says we honor the law of the land. That's what the illegal immigrants should do. I'm not against them coming here but I dont agree with dissension against the law.
 
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Anyone can enter the US legally too.
In the U.S. you are checked at the border. Citizens from some countries are allowed entry, others denied. For citizens of some countries you have to apply for a visa and/or pass an interview.
 
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In the U.S. you are checked at the border. Citizens from some countries are allowed entry, others denied. For citizens of some countries you have to apply for a visa and/or pass an interview.
It's called legal immigration
 
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Yes, the main area in front of the Basilica is open to all. To get to the Scavi to see where St. Peter was buried I had to go up to a Swiss guard by the gate for the area where the residences are and then go through security. I came out up a level from where the popes are entombed, a level below the main floor.

That had to be such a special experience. I have a friend who is a Syriac Orthodox bishop in Guatemala, who was at one time Roman Catholic, and who has made many pilgrimages to the tomb of St. Peter. One thing I love about the Roman Catholic Church is your hospitality to us when we visit as pilgrims the saints whose relics are in your churches, for example, we are not denied access to the myrhh-streaming relics of St. Nicholas of Myra whose relics are now in Bari, Italy.

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I would very much like to do the pilgrimage of St. James the Great to the Cathedral of Santiago de Compostela, which is incredibly beautiful and also features the world’s largest thurible. I would also like to attend the Ambrosian Rite “Liturgy of the Cloud” (I forget the Italian) on the Feast of the Holy Cross (September 14th) at the Duomo in Milan in which a large fragment of the True Cross is brought down from a reliquary by a special ornate Baroque gondola, which is one of the oldest elevators in the world, lifted by cables operated by the cathedral clergy, it carries a celebrant and altar servers up to the reliquary, where they collect the piece of the cross, and then descend with the fragment of the Cross so it can be venerated, and then it is brought back up to the reliquary, while the Litany of Loreto is chanted, which can be viewed at the following URL from the 2025 liturgy:


This is done amidst clouds of incense (which are produced by the distinctive open-top Ambrosian thuribles, which produce much smoke, and which are moved in a clockwise pattern unlike conventional Roman, Byzantine, Syriac and Coptic thuribles which are swung (the main difference between them being that the Byzantine and Syriac thuribles have bells, and the Syriac thuribles have a handle, while the Coptic thuribles lids will stay closed from centripetal forces when the priests spin them vertically 360 degrees, which is impressive to see - mainly monastic clergy and younger clergy do this, as some elderly priests lack the strength, and you don’t want your thurible to spill, as that causes a disruption to the liturgy and is a bit of a mess.*

* This did happen on two occasions to the giant thurible at Santiago de Compostela, which to give you an idea of its scale, requires about 30 clergy to man the ropes to swing it back and forth and burns about $30,000 worth of coal and incense at each liturgy, in the 1400s or 1500s, the giant thurible broke loose, exited the cathedral through the rose window and landed in the plaza, but was repaired, and in the 19th or early 20th century the mechanism which suspends the thurible failed and it crashed to the floor spilling coal and incense, but fortunately no one was hurt, and it is now suspended from a very rugged steel structure, and as a fan of incense during as many services as it is allowed from the Liturgy of the Hours and the Mass, I love the idea of the thurible at Santiago de Compostela and what it represents, which is the ascent of our prayers to heaven, but specifically, in the sacred space of the center of the ancient pilgrimage routes to Santiago de Compostela, where for the past thousand years people have come from all over Europe to pray by the relics of St. James the Great, who was the first of the Twelve Apostles to be martyred (his brother, St. John the Theologian, was the only one if I recall who was not martyred; additionally some members of the seventy I think escaped martyrdom; I can’t remember if St. Luke the Evangelist, who is sometimes counted among the Seventy, was martyred or not, do any of you recall?

Pope Benedict XVI wrote splendid biographies of several of the saints. My liturgical and theological library contains among other material of interest to Roman Catholics all the books published by Blessed Pope Benedict at the time of his resignation in English translation. One saint I particularly like, who is not well known in the East, who i learned of through his writings was St. Odo of Cluny, who would give children he encountered while traveling between the Cluniac monasteries coins if they would sing hymns for himself and the monks accompanying him.

I also hope with a sense of holy humor that they make St. Odo the patron saint of security chiefs on space stations if ever that becomes a thing, and the patron saint of actors in science fiction films. Rene Auberjonois was a baptized Roman Catholic.

St. Odo of Cluny, Pray for Us!

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So America should be like the Vatican? The Bible says we honor the law of the land. That's what the illegal immigrants should do. I'm not against them coming here but I dont agree with dissension against the law.

Well as was stated anyone can enter the publicly accessible areas of Vatican City during their normal hours of operation, like St. Peter’s Square, but some areas require going through security, however, one can only spend the night there if one has a valid ecclesiastical reason to do so. If someone tried to camp out on the Piazza or in St. Peter’s or the gift shops of the Vatican Museums they would be removed by the Papal Gendarmes (not even the Pontifical Swiss Guard, which deals with more high level threats - the Swiss Guard is a military unit which in addition to mounting a ceremonial guard and being able to respond to high level threats like a SWAT team, also functions like the US Secret Service as a protection detail for the Pope.

It is also one of the oldest military formations in the world, the beautiful yellow, purple and scarlet uniforms were designed by Michaelangelo and are the oldest and heaviest military uniform design still in use, and each uniform is custom-tailored for each guard by a husband and wife team, who took over the production of the uniforms when the previous tailor retired. Making the uniforms is truly a sacred devotion, like making clerical vestments, in that these uniforms are made from something like 375 different pieces of fabric in addition to the steel helmet, cuirass and the halberd (the melee staff weapon historically used for guarding royalty in Europe).

The Swiss guards are Swiss citizens who speak German, are Roman Catholic and have completed military training and service in the famed Swiss Army, so it is an extremely elite formation. They were not Swiss mercenaries of the sort hired by other European powers at one time, or the Gurkhas of Nepal. Their bravery is legendary - on one occasion a unit of them fought to the death to allow a Pope to escape from the Vatican via a tunnel, who otherwise would have been captured.
 
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Anyone can walk into Vatican City and it is perfectly legal.
Some particular parts of Vatican City. Other parts and you will be in the slammer, and/or fined, and/or deported, and/or forbidden to return for 15 years. Getting in and staying in illegally in the USA is a relative picnic compared.
 
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