True name of the Messiah.

[Called out]

After studying the bible with the aid of a concordance, I found out that the Hebrew name of the Messiah is Yehowshuwa. When I talk to Christians about this, it is like it doesn't matter to them, they will still call him Jesus. And the preachers baptize people in the name of Jesus. Is that not a lie?
I just do not understand why? And why no one cares?
Here is a link for those who have no idea about the Messiah's true Hebrew name. Yehowshuwa, the True Hebrew Name of the Messiah, the Son of the Almighty God.

 

[Wryetui]

Yes, that was His name in aramaic, but in further traductions to latin and greek it changed so they can pronounce it more easily (I imagine a romanian folk pronouncing Yehowshuwa, funniest thing ever). The name doesn't matter because it refers to Jesus! The importance is who are you naming.

It's like my name, my name is Alexandru, some people call me Alex, in spanish my name is Alejandro and in english Alexander, but you are referring to me after all.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

I wonder why the author of the article, ro-jo-yo, isn’t in charge of a major theology school.

 

[JackofSpades]

(I imagine a romanian folk pronouncing Yehowshuwa, funniest thing ever).

We should all make recording of ourselves pronouncing that and post it here. I guess hearing those would make us all convinced it's better to stick with Jesus.

 

[BL2KTN]

It's pronounced yesh-oo-ah with stress on the yesh. It's not hard to pronounce for nearly anyone. The name was changed to Iesus so Romans would follow the religion (he needed a good non-Jewish name after all). Over time Iesus became Jesus.

What's funny is that the name "Jesus" has the word Zeus sneaked in on the end (Ie-zeus) which is why it was a Roman name, and Christians are completely clueless that when they cry out in the name of Jesus, they're crying out to Zeus.

Jezeus.

 

[Strathos]

It's pronounced yesh-oo-ah with stress on the yesh. It's not hard to pronounce for nearly anyone. The name was changed to Iesus so Romans would follow the religion (he needed a good non-Jewish name after all). Over time Iesus became Jesus.

What's funny is that the name "Jesus" has the word Zeus sneaked in on the end (Ie-zeus) which is why it was a Roman name, and Christians are completely clueless that when they cry out in the name of Jesus, they're crying out to Zeus.

Jezeus.

So every time someone pronounces the Spanish version of the name, they're really saying "Hey, Zeus?"

 

[BL2KTN]

Something like that. The name Ieseus literally means "Zeus heals".

 

[TillICollapse]

After studying the bible with the aid of a concordance, I found out that the Hebrew name of the Messiah is Yehowshuwa. When I talk to Christians about this, it is like it doesn't matter to them, they will still call him Jesus. And the preachers baptize people in the name of Jesus. Is that not a lie?
I just do not understand why? And why no one cares?
Here is a link for those who have no idea about the Messiah's true Hebrew name. Yehowshuwa, the True Hebrew Name of the Messiah, the Son of the Almighty God.

Pop into a Messianic area and perhaps you will be more likely to find those who use the name Yeshua, Yeshua ha Messhiach, etc.

 

[TillICollapse]

It's pronounced yesh-oo-ah with stress on the yesh. It's not hard to pronounce for nearly anyone. The name was changed to Iesus so Romans would follow the religion (he needed a good non-Jewish name after all). Over time Iesus became Jesus.

What's funny is that the name "Jesus" has the word Zeus sneaked in on the end (Ie-zeus) which is why it was a Roman name, and Christians are completely clueless that when they cry out in the name of Jesus, they're crying out to Zeus.

Jezeus.

I've read random arguments that Jesus (for the sake of the thread) would have also been called Iesous by the Greeks (or primarily Greek speakers) of the day, and so would have likely responded to Greek/Aramaic/etc ... whatever was being spoken in His direction IOW. I've heard arguments against this as well. Thoughts ?

 

[BL2KTN]

Why would Yeshua have responded to a name that wasn't his and wasn't a translation for his name?

 

[TillICollapse]

Why would Yeshua have responded to a name that wasn't his and wasn't a translation for his name?

I have no idea, as I said, the arguments or discussions I remember reading are essentially that the Greeks at that time would have referred to Him by their own pronunciation, and that if someone was speaking Greek and calling Him "Iesous", He would have responded anyways. I also remember reading against this. Do you have any of your own opinions you would want to share that you've formed from your studies on the Greek pronunciation ? I didn't see you comment on the Greek specifically, which is why I asked your thoughts. For example, are you insinuating that "Iesous" is not the Greek pronunciation of Yeshua ?

 

[BL2KTN]

The Greek pronunciation of Yeshua would have been Yesua. Ieseus is nothing like Yeshua.

 

[TillICollapse]

The Greek pronunciation of Yeshua would have been Yesua. Ieseus is nothing like Yeshua.

So from the wiki:

A typical Jew in Jesus' time had only one name, sometimes supplemented with the father's name or the individual's hometown.[27] Thus, in the New Testament, Jesus is referred to as "Jesus of Nazareth"[g] (Matthew 26:71), "Joseph's son" (Luke 4:22), and "Jesus son of Joseph from Nazareth" (John 1:45). However, in Mark 6:3, rather than being called the son of Joseph, he is referred to as "the son of Mary and brother of James and Joses and Judas and Simon".
The name Jesus is derived from the Latin Iesus, a transliteration of the Greek Ἰησοῦς (Iesous).[28] The Greek form is a rendition of the Hebrew ישוע‎ (Yeshua), a variant of the earlier name יהושע‎ (Yehoshua), or Joshua.[29][30][31] The name Yeshua appears to have been in use in Judea at the time of the birth of Jesus.[32] The first-century works of historian Flavius Josephus, who wrote in Koine Greek, the same language as that of the New Testament,[33] refer to at least twenty different people with the name Jesus (i.e. Ἰησοῦ&#962.[34] The etymology of Jesus' name in the context of the New Testament is generally given as "Yahweh is salvation".[

Your pronunciation doesn't seem to match this information. Can you explain from what are you basing your pronunciation ? Also, do you believe this information in the wiki to be inaccurate concerning the Greek of the name ? If so, in what way ?

 

[BL2KTN]

The only thing I see here that doesn't agree with me is it saying Ieseus is a rendition of Yeshua. The problem with this is that Christian "scholars" will argue this until they're blue in the face because they literally cannot admit Jesus' name is derived from Zeus. Thus is easy for a Christian to introduce such information on a wiki and find a citation even though the information is false.

Yeshua was a common Jewish name. Only one Yeshua was changed to Iesus. Josephus writes of many people called Ieseus because it wasa popular Geek name meaning Zeus Heals. I'm on my phone right now, but I'm sure you can Google what I've said to verify.

 

[Strathos]

But Zeus wasn't even the Greek god of healing. That was Asclepius.

 

[Hank]

The first article really contains some extreme conclusion as in 'Jesus could mean Satan'. A bit harsh and consequently ends up in my trash container.

here is a simpler linguistic explanation, about Hebrew naming ...
Hebrew Meaning of "Jesus"
for more in depth info are sub-links.

 

[TillICollapse]

The only thing I see here that doesn't agree with me is it saying Ieseus is a rendition of Yeshua. The problem with this is that Christian "scholars" will argue this until they're blue in the face because they literally cannot admit Jesus' name is derived from Zeus. Thus is easy for a Christian to introduce such information on a wiki and find a citation even though the information is false.

I've got no dog in the matter, just a passing interest in the moment which caught my attention and reminded me of previous things I've read, or been "taught" in the past, etc (including the Zeus perspective which I've heard before). Having said that even the information on the Greek translation to Iesous/etc is wrong ... my interest is now piqued, as I can't recall ever reading or hearing about it being Yesua for the Greek. It sounds familiar in regards to a Hebrew pronunciation for a "Joshua" related "nickname", but I may be pulling that out of nowhere tbh. I don't recall ever seeing anyone claim that would be the Greek, so now I'm a bit fascinated in the moment.

Yeshua was a common Jewish name. Only one Yeshua was changed to Iesus. Josephus writes of many people called Ieseus because it wasa popular Geek name meaning Zeus Heals. I'm on my phone right now, but I'm sure you can Google what I've said to verify.

Okay a few minutes of Googling brings up a plethora of references, referencing more than just Josephus ... the LXX, Early Church Fathers, etc. The Codex Sinaticus is referenced, although what I read says that nomina sacra was used instead of full names (Jesus was Ι&#931. Here's just one example site, which does bash the Zeus take unfortunately.

So I tried Googling variations of searches for Yesua as related to Greek and Jesus, etc ... no dice thus far. Back to a different Wiki page on the name "Jesus" itself, brings up the following:

By the time the New Testament was written, the Septuagint had already transliterated ישוע Yeshua` into Koine Greek as closely as possible in the 3rd-century BCE, the result being Ἰησοῦς Iēsous. Since Greek had no equivalent to the semitic letter [FONT=Alef, 'SBL Hebrew', David]ש[/font] shin [sh], it was replaced with a σ sigma , and a masculine singular ending [-s] was added in the nominative case, in order to allow the name to be inflected for case (nominative, accusative, etc.) in the grammar of the Greek language. The diphthongal [a] vowel of Masoretic Yehoshua` or Yeshua` would not have been present in Hebrew/Aramaic pronunciation during this period, and some scholars believe some dialects dropped the pharyngeal sound of the final letter [FONT=Alef, 'SBL Hebrew', David]ע[/font] `ayin [`], which in any case had no counterpart in ancient Greek. The Greek writings of Philo of Alexandria[13] and Josephus frequently mention this name. It also occurs in the Greek New Testament at Acts 7:45 and Hebrews 4:8, referring to Joshua son of Nun.

I have no issue with the idea that the wiki's may be incorrect or biased to present a certain POV that may be inaccurate. So having said that, I'm coming up short on the Yesua Greek pronunciation connection.

If you find the time, references would be interesting to me. If not, I may lose interest by tomorrow anyways, so I'm not going to press for them.

 

[BL2KTN]

But Zeus wasn't even the Greek god of healing. That was Asclepius.

I'd have to know more about the theology of the Romans during that time frame. I would think Zeus being the chief god of the pantheon was believed to provide many benefits if one worshiped him.

 

[TillICollapse]

Okay so I tried a search on what Yesua may look like in Greek, and I actually got a hit in the OT, an LXX version of the OT.

Ιεσουα is what I came up with as a possible Greek rendition. Genesis 46:17 popped up, in relation to a listing of the sons of Asher (this son is listed as Isui in the Hebrew interlinear I sometimes reference here). The LXX for that same passage:

17 υἱοὶ δὲ Ασηρ Ιεμνα καὶ Ιεσουα καὶ Ιεουλ καὶ Βαρια καὶ Σαρα ἀδελφὴ αὐτῶν υἱοὶ δὲ Βαρια Χοβορ καὶ Μελχιηλ

This is further referenced in this concordance link here for "Ishuah" where it also shows apparently another Greek spelling for that pronunciation.

Is this by chance where you are getting that pronunciation for what the Greeks would have pronounced "Yeshua" from ?

 

[Vlad The Exhaler]

After studying the bible with the aid of a concordance, I found out that the Hebrew name of the Messiah is Yehowshuwa. When I talk to Christians about this, it is like it doesn't matter to them, they will still call him Jesus. And the preachers baptize people in the name of Jesus. Is that not a lie?
I just do not understand why? And why no one cares?
Here is a link for those who have no idea about the Messiah's true Hebrew name. Yehowshuwa, the True Hebrew Name of the Messiah, the Son of the Almighty God.

People ignore this most likely because it presents a major logical dilemma to the faith on a number of levels.

First, according to both Christ and Paul, the name itself has power. Power to expel evil spirits and for salvation if it is accompanied by belief. This is a biblical teaching and it is widely practiced in even modern day worship and exorcisms.

Some will argue that it matters not what the name is, only that it refers to the historical figure in the gospels. Most making this argument aren't going to be too comfortable if one starts to refer to Jesus by other names, even common English names like George, Mike, Brian etc - much less work it into hymns and exorcisms.

Secondly - one doesn't even need to be some linguistic scholar or learned person to figure it out.

Reading these passages:

Zechariah 3:8
Zechariah 6:12

Gives the true name.