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Leaving the conversation again. You are not listening to what I have been saying and you keep asserting something that I do not believe.
Peace be unto you.
And may God bless you.
And may His love shine upon you, too.
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Whether you reply or not does not concern me Jason. Concerning your quote from the beatitudes. A minister said the beatitudes hold to a standard it is impossible for man to achieve. As you have admitted you faqil that standardIf you really want me to reply again soon, please explain the verses I have provided in Post #1857.
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So there is no misunderstanding as top my previous post to you. The only Christians who can truly live as God wants them to are those who die to a law of righteousness. That means the whole law for your view is not written in scripture.If you really want me to reply again soon, please explain the verses I have provided in Post #1857.
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Can i ask what version of the Bible do you get your scripture from?The Bible says, he that commits sin is of the devil (1 John 3:8). The Bible says he that does evil hates the light unless their deeds should be reproved (i.e. "reproved": Meaning, if they repent of their evil deeds). (John 3:20).
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Can i ask what version of the Bible do you get your scripture from?
Irrelevant. The old covenant was never designed to get a person into heaven. The deal in the old covenant was that Jews could live in the promised land. The point is that the old covenant involved obedience, therefore it was not specific to the new covenant, not novel, and therefore not really what you would call core.No one was born again under the old covenant.
This prophecy in Jeremiah 31 is not about the New Covenant in the NT, but is about the New Covenant we will have after the Resurrection. We know this because of verse 34, where no one needs to be taught about God. Today that is not true, many need to be taught about God.In Jeremiah 31, Jeremiah prophecies:
‘The days are coming(they were not their yet),’ declares the Lord,
‘when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
32 It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they broke my covenant,
though I was a husband tod]'>[d] them,’e]'>[e]
declares the Lord.
33 ‘This is the covenant that I will make with the people of Israel
after that time,’ declares the Lord.
‘I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts
Jeremiah 31:31-33
Verse 34 refers specifically to Israel when they all accept Christ as their saviour, at a time in the futureThis prophecy in Jeremiah 31 is not about the New Covenant in the NT, but is about the New Covenant we will have after the Resurrection. We know this because of verse 34, where no one needs to be taught about God. Today that is not true, many need to be taught about God.
"Know Jehovah; for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them."
If you read the first fourteen verses of Hebrew 10 it concerns Christ dying for sins and animal sacrifices no longer being necessary. Straight after this in verse 15 it states:Irrelevant. The old covenant was never designed to get a person into heaven. The deal in the old covenant was that Jews could live in the promised land. The point is that the old covenant involved obedience, therefore it was not specific to the new covenant, not novel, and therefore not really what you would call core.
Although the final fruition of God's plan of salvation was not realized in the Old Covenant, there were saints in the Old Covenant who were justified by faith, regenerated spiritually, had God living within them and were saved by grace thru the Messiah. It is just that the OT saint could not be made as perfect as the NT saint because the New Covenant is based exclusively on loving God and loving others (Whereas the OT saint was sent out to war against the enemies of Israel, etc.). In addition, the OT saint also had to obey certain ordinances or ceremonial laws (like circumcision and the Sabbaths) as a part of their faith in God, too. However, these ordinances are nailed to the cross for the believer under the New Covenant today, though; This applies both to the believing Jew and the Gentile.Irrelevant. The old covenant was never designed to get a person into heaven. The deal in the old covenant was that Jews could live in the promised land. The point is that the old covenant involved obedience, therefore it was not specific to the new covenant, not novel, and therefore not really what you would call core.
My point is that, as we see by the Bereans, that the Law and the Prophets were still being studied after John the Baptist.All scripture is inspired by God and profitable...
Whats your point?
Until has come, and the law of Moses has been abolished in His flesh.
The law and prophets were until John, since then the kingdom of God is preached.
All it means is that you assimilate it into your conscience. I don't believe that no one did this until the New Covenant. It has more to do with learning the Law as a child, so that it becomes more of a reflex it's so ingrained.It is true that if people loved God in the OT they were accepted by faith. However, having the law placed within you is specific to the new covenant.
I'm duly impressed! That's quite advanced thinking for a protestant. Now we just have to work on your idea of OSAS.If you are talking about how Christ works in the believer because He lives in them, then the answer would also be a... "yes." For faith without works (ie. God directed works) is a dead kind of faith (James 2:17-19).
If the law I on your heart you in your heart want to obey it. God told Moses the Israelites were a stiff necked heathen people. Most of the time they did not want to obey. The law was not placed in their hearts under the old covenant. Their history was most of the tine rebellion, getting into trouble, crying out to God for help, he saved them then it was back to rebelling. All nations and people would naturally speaking be as they were under the old covenant. In Ezekiel 36:26&27 we see God was going to do something very different from what happened under the old covenant. He would remove the heart of stone and replace them with hearts of flesh. He would put his spirit I them and cause them to obey his laws. A mirror image of Jeremiah 31:33&34, heb10:16&17All it means is that you assimilate it into your conscience. I don't believe that no one did this until the New Covenant. It has more to do with learning the Law as a child, so that it becomes more of a reflex it's so ingrained.
You can't have one part of the prophecy be after the resurrection and another part be about the NT.Verse 34 refers specifically to Israel when they all accept Christ as their saviour, at a time in the future
No offense, but I don't see what this has to do with my point.If you read the first fourteen verses of Hebrew 10 it concerns Christ dying for sins and animal sacrifices no longer being necessary. Straight after this in verse 15 it states:
The holy spirit also testifies to us about THIS(what the writer has been speaking of)
Then verse16&17 is as I previously quoted to you. It is all linked. There is only two covenants, the old and the new
I personally think that those under the Old Covenant were FULLY made perfect just as those under the New Covenant. This is because Christ's sacrifice worked backwards in time as well as forwards.Although the final fruition of God's plan of salvation was not realized in the Old Covenant, there were saints in the Old Covenant who were justified by faith, regenerated spiritually, had God living within them and were saved by grace thru the Messiah. It is just that the OT saint could not be made as perfect as the NT saint because the New Covenant is based exclusively on loving God and loving others (Whereas the OT saint was sent out to war against the enemies of Israel, etc.). In addition, the OT saint also had to obey certain ordinances or ceremonial laws (like circumcision and the Sabbaths) as a part of their faith in God, too. However, these ordinances are nailed to the cross for the believer under the New Covenant today, though; This applies both to the believing Jew and the Gentile.
Wanting to disobey, and knowing something is a sin are two different things. I know lying is a sin, but I still want to lie. IOW the law is written on my heart, but God still has a work to do in me.Most of the time they did not want to obey. The law was not placed in their hearts under the old covenant.
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