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True Justification, works of the Law of Moses, & Conditional Security

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You are forgetting again. What did you say born again entails? No born again christian can believe sin is no big deal
But that is what you are essentially saying when it comes to salvation, though. You do not believe sin is a salvation issue. Which in effect is saying you do not think sin is that big of a deal. Just focus on Jesus as being your Savior and that is all you need. Right?

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Explain Romans 2:1-12 about how God will render to every man according to his deeds?
I did a long post on this yesterday scroll back and read it
But you see Jason you do break the moral law atvtimes don't you. Now why should you be ok when you break it but others must be condemned for not as you see it crucifying their flesh?
 
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I am not Protestant. I am not affiliated with any major branch that has a denominational name. I am merely a Christian that believes in the Word of God and seeks to honor what God says in it (By letting Christ and His words live in me).


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There are three branches of Christianity: Orthodox, Catholic, and Protestant. I'm fairly certain you aren't Catholic or Eastern Orthodox. that would make you Protestant. Non-denominational churches are protestant.
 
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This is where you fail to understand the covenant. Sin is not a salvation issue for the born again christian for Jesus died for their sins. But because they have been born again sin hurts them they don't want it. You keep forgetting what you have stated born again entails. You need to always keep it at the forefront of your mind
 
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There are three branches of Christianity: Orthodox, Catholic, and Protestant. I'm fairly certain you aren't Catholic or Eastern Orthodox. that would make you Protestant. Non-denominational churches are protestant.
Uh no. I am not Protestant. Most Protestant churches (not all) believe in Once Saved Always Saved. I also do not associate with other beliefs associated with Protestant churches, as well. For example: I do not believe the Lake of Fire is eternal punishment for the wicked. I believe the wicked will be destroyed at some point in the Lake of Fire. I do not attend Protestant churches nor do I seek to get my understanding from Scripture from Protestants. I am merely a Christian that believes in the Word of God.


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But that is not the reality we see in Scripture, though. Nowhere does Scripture ever say that a believer's sins are different than unbeliever's sins salvation wise. Your belief is just something you have latched onto that was invented by others.


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But that is not the reality we see in Scripture, though. Nowhere does Scripture ever say that a believer's sins are different than unbeliever's sins salvation wise. That is just something you have latched onto by others.


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Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness for everyone WHO BELIEVETH rom 10:4

The worlds sin is unbelief in me lohn 16:9

You are wrong
 
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I'm sure you believe in "Bible only" and "Save by faith alone" which are the hall marks of Protestantism. Non-denominationalism is a protestant thing. You can't be a Christian without being part of one of the three branches. If you are outside the three branches, you are by definition a heretic. I don't think you are a heretic.
 
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Trust me. Not all protestants believe in saved by faith alone unto heaven. Most believe saved by faith alone at the point of conversion
 
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Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness for everyone WHO BELIEVETH rom 10:4

The worlds sin is unbelief in me lohn 16:9

You are wrong

The context of Romans 10:4 is in reference to the Law of Moses. Paul here is talking about Israel (See Romans 10:1-3, and See Romans 10:5).

As for John 16:9: You forgot to quote the context.

"And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Of sin, because they believe not on me;" (John 16:8-9).​

The Holy Spirit will reprove the world of their sin because they believed not on Jesus Christ. This lets us know that sin is not acceptable to God. He will reprove the world of their sin if they truly believe in Jesus Christ.


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John 16 :9 means what it states. You have been proved over and over to be wrong as to which law the christian is not under unto righteousness
 
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You keep forgetting the christian has been born again!
 
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No. Non-denominational churches are not under the umbrella of Protestant churches. They are called Non-denominational because they are not wanting to be attached to any labels. There are many things that would separate me from being called a Protestant in many ways. For one, I do not adhere to the Protestant history of events as being authorative as the Word of God. So I reject the Protestant claim of their history as being the one and only true faith.

For Protestantism is defined by a rebelling against the Catholic church here:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestantism

This is something I do not agree with. I reject this history. I believe Christians existed before Catholicism was invented by Constantine. Protestants may no doubt say the same thing as far their origins, but I do not adhere that true believers were ever a part of the Catholic church at one point in time (Whereby they needed to change and protest against it). True believers existed even while Luther was having his little protest. I believe true Christians were persecuted by what would be soon called the Catholic Church. For Rome persecuted Jesus Christ Himself and they persecuted Christ's followers, too. Luther is the father of Protestantism. I do not agree with much of what he had said; Especially his Antinomian type statements.


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So, you are annihilationist, too. Explains a few things.
 
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So, you are annihilationist, too. Explains a few things.
However, unlike most Annihilationists or those who hold to Conditional Immortality, I am a Dualastic Conditionalist. This means that I believe hell is a very real and literal place. So I believe the story of Lazarus and the Richman is a very real and literal story told by Jesus Christ Himself (that gives us a glimpse of what the afterlife is like for the wicked when they die). This hell will be cast into the lake of fire and be destroyed (after the Judgment). For the Scriptures say the last enemy to be destroyed is death. Salvation, eternal life, or immortality is a gift that can only be found by abiding in Jesus Christ. Adam and Eve were not originally created as immortal beings. They needed to eat of the Tree of Life in order to become immortal. But that never happened. Man never became immortal. God kept man away from that tree in the Garden.


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You must be self taught because I've never heard of a church teaching anything like what you teach.

Where do you get the idea that God kept them away from the Tree of Life? Verses or just your opinion?
 
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You must be self taught because I've never heard of a church teaching anything like what you teach.

Where do you get the idea that God kept them away from the Tree of Life? Verses or just your opinion?

Who was the teacher for these believers?

"But the anointing which you have received of him abides in you, and you need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teaches you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it has taught you, you shall abide in him" (1 John 2:27).

According to this verse above, did they have a need for any man to teach them? Yes, or no?


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What is the verse before that?

These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.

Just like someone needs to LISTEN and BE CONVICTED by the Holy Spirit about their sin, the same thing is true for teaching. I do not believe that you are open to being taught by the Holy Spirit because you've already decided that you know all there is to know.

1 Corinthians 2:14
13 which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words. 14 But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised. 15 But he who is spiritual appraises all things, yet he himself is appraised by no one
 
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Hello OpenHeart.

I would disagree with what you stated OpenHeart.

You said
Save by faith alone
The Bible never states that anyone is saved by their faith. What the Bible does say is written below.

Ephesians 2:8
For by grace you have been saved through faith...

Acts 15:11
But we believe that we are saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus

Romans 3
23 For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified
as a gift by His grace.

We are saved by Grace first and foremost and not by faith.
 
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