True Justification, works of the Law of Moses, & Conditional Security

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That is outrageous, you added to what Paul stated in rom 4:1-5 and inserted the law of Moses. Paul never stated in those verses he was speaking minus the ten commandments.
Do not go beyond what is written 1cor 6:4
You appear to be getting a bit desperate

I am giving you the context based on the previous chapter. He mentions circumcision in Romans 3:1. Read it for yourself.

However, where in the world do you get the idea that the Law of Moses is just the 10 Commandments? Do you not know that the Old Covenant Law of Moses is made up of 613 Commands? Some moral, some judicial, and some ceremonial. Again, circumcision is a requirement as a part of the Law of Moses (But they are not of the 10). Paul mentions circumcision in both the book of Romans and Galatians several times. For surely circumcision is not a part of the New Testament. Galatians 3 says the Law is a school master that brings us to Christ. What about the Laws or Commands given by the apostles? Paul said that what he had written should be regarded as the Lord's Commandments. Commandments are laws.

As for your quote of 1 Corinthians 6:4: Well, I am not sure what you are getting at, but if you were to keep reading, you would come across this passage (that refutes your belief system):

"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God." (1 Corinthians 6:9-11).


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[stuart lawrence]

The most dangerous churches in Christendom are those that earnestly stress righteous living, and demand almost sinless perfection but do not alongside that preach Paul's gospel message of how sin is to be overcome. The result has been disaster for many

 

[stuart lawrence]

I am giving you the context based on the previous chapter. He mentions circumcision in Romans 3:1. Read it for yourself.

However, where in the world do you get the idea that the Law of Moses is just the 10 Commandments? Do you not know that the Old Covenant Law of Moses is made up of 613 Commands? Some moral, some judicial, and some ceremonial. Again, circumcision is a requirement as a part of the Law of Moses (But they are not of the 10). Paul mentions circumcision in both the book of Romans and Galatians several times. For surely circumcision is not a part of the New Testament. Galatians 3 says the Law is a school master that brings us to Christ. What about the Laws or Commands given by the apostles? Paul said that what he had written should be regarded as the Lord's Commandments. Commandments are laws.

As for your quote of 1 Corinthians 6:4: Well, I am not sure what you are getting at, but if you were to keep reading, you would come across this passage (that refutes your belief system):

"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God." (1 Corinthians 6:9-11).


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You are not giving me the context at all, simply adding words to the text to support your own misguided understanding. A true fundamentalist would not do that

 

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You keep adding your own words to scripture. Catholics do that. I am a fundamentalist christian. You do not understand the core of Paul's message of grace. You have to die to a law of righteousness to live for God, you refuse to do so. Though you have no nt scripture to back up your claims you insist the christian only dies to the mosaic law
Did you know half the sex addicts in the us at one time or another went to holiness churches? You have to understand the message, your views have destroyed lives. I know of christian counsellors who have spent much time trying to help those poor people, my heart goes out to them

No dear sir. There are many testimonies of how OSAS has destroyed lives over and over. It is evil and dark and twisted. It is saying to people to take sin lightly by saying that one can just believe in Jesus and not worry about sin and you can make into Heaven. That is the essential dark message OSAS is pushing. But many have become enslaved to their sin because of such a belief and never truly understood what it means to walk uprightly with God in HIS righteousness working in their life. For even the demons believe and tremble.


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The most dangerous churches in Christendom are those that earnestly stress righteous living, and demand almost sinless perfection but do not alongside that preach Paul's gospel message of how sin is to be overcome. The result has been disaster for many

There are Works Salvationist churches that are wrong. They are the opposite wrong extreme of OSAS and or Antinomianism.


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[stuart lawrence]

You have to know in your heart there I no condemnation in Christ Jesus for he is the end of the law unto righteousness. Then you reach first base. You live God with all your heart when you know that. Then you preach righteous living, not before, otherwise people fo not stand in Christ but in their own efforts to be good enough

 

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You are not giving me the context at all, simply adding words to the text to support your own misguided understanding. A true fundamentalist would not do that

Well, you can just do a search at blueletterbible for the key phrase words: "circumcision" and "circumcised" to see for yourself of how those words appear in the book of Romans and Galatians.

https://www.blueletterbible.org


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[stuart lawrence]

No dear sir. There are many testimonies of how OSAS has destroyed lives over and over. It is evil and dark and twisted. It is saying to people to take sin lightly by saying that one can just believe in Jesus and not worry about sin and you can make into Heaven. That is the essential dark message OSAS is pushing. But many have become enslaved to their sin because of such a belief and never truly understood what it means to walk uprightly with God in HIS righteousness working in their life. For even the demons believe and tremble.


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You added by brackets the law of Moses to the text. You have to do it for you have no plain scripture to support your errant view
I repeat, I stand on Christs shed blood, you try and stand on your own personal goodness. The power is with me, not you. For the cross of Christ is where the power is, not a righteousness of your own under the law

 

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You have to know in your heart there I no condemnation in Christ Jesus for he is the end of the law unto righteousness. Then you reach first base. You live God with all your heart when you know that. Then you preach righteous living, not before, otherwise people fo not stand in Christ but in their own efforts to be good enough

John 14:23
"Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him."

"For faith comes by hearing, and hearing the Word of God." (Romans 10:17).


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[stuart lawrence]

Brin

Well, you can just do a search at blueletterbible for the key phrase words: "circumcision" and "circumcised" to see for yourself of how those words appear in the book of Romans and Galatians.

https://www.blueletterbible.org


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Bring forth a verse of scripture without adding to it where Paul states you have a righteousness before God apart from the mosaic law but not the ten commandments. I only require one verse and i will believe you

 

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You added by brackets the law of Moses to the text. You have to do it for you have no plain scripture to support your errant view
I repeat, I stand on Christs shed blood, you try and stand on your own personal goodness. The power is with me, not you. For the cross of Christ is where the power is, not a righteousness of your own under the law

Oh good. You brought up the blood of Jesus. Okay, how do you apply the blood of Jesus to your life according to Scripture?

"...if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin." (1 John 1:7).

"And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments." (1 John 2:3).

"He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." (1 John 2:4).

"If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:" (1 John 1:6).


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[stuart lawrence]

This is

John 14:23
"Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him."

"For faith comes by hearing, and hearing the Word of God." (Romans 10:17).


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This is your problem you just reel off the literal letter without stopping to think. In forty years of going to cgurches, i have never met one christian who has even attempted to obey every literal command of Christ. Now some folk will think you must be practising what you demand of them. It isn't good jason
If you don't get the foundation right the house collapses

 

[stuart lawrence]

Oh good. You brought up the blood of Jesus. Okay, how do you apply the blood of Jesus to your life according to Scripture?

"...if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin." (1 John 1:7).

"And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments." (1 John 2:3).

"He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." (1 John 2:4).

"If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:" (1 John 1:6).


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You still cannot bring a solitary scripture can you to back up your errant belief, not one

 

[stuart lawrence]

You see, I can bring scripture forth to prove my belief is correct, but you cannot

 

[stuart lawrence]

In rom 7:4-6 Paul stresses the need to die to a law of righteousness in order to live for God. In the following five verses he gives a personal example from his own life as to why he had to die to a law of righteousness. The example he gave was. Thou shalt not covet, which is one of the ten commandments

 

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You keep adding your own words to scripture. Catholics do that. I am a fundamentalist christian. You do not understand the core of Paul's message of grace. You have to die to a law of righteousness to live for God, you refuse to do so. Though you have no nt scripture to back up your claims you insist the christian only dies to the mosaic law
Did you know half the sex addicts in the us at one time or another went to holiness churches? You have to understand the message, your views have destroyed lives. I know of christian counsellors who have spent much time trying to help those poor people, my heart goes out to them

Well, Jews believe there are 613 Laws in Torah or the first five books of Moses.

But if that is not good for you, then.... Scriptures just plainly says that. For Deuteronomy is called a book of the Law.

"And the LORD shall separate him unto evil out of all the tribes of Israel, according to all the curses of the covenant that are written in this book of the law:" (Deuteronomy 29:21).

And an altar of stones was commanded to be built by God as mentioned as being within the book of the Law of Moses.

"As Moses the servant of the LORD commanded the children of Israel, as it is written in the book of the law of Moses, an altar of whole stones, over which no man hath lift up any iron: and they offered thereon burnt offerings unto the LORD, and sacrificed peace offerings." (Joshua 8:31).


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[stuart lawrence]

There is simply no point in putting huge swathes of scripture up to try and support a view you have no direct scripture to back up. Therefore you then add to what is written, the bible forbids that. I have provided the scripture that proves my belief correct

 

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This is your problem you just reel off the literal letter without stopping to think. In forty years of going to cgurches, i have never met one christian who has even attempted to obey every literal command of Christ. Now some folk will think you must be practising what you demand of them. It isn't good jason If you don't get the foundation right the house collapses

That really does not explain the verses I quoted, though.


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There is simply no point in putting huge swathes of scripture up to try and support a view you have no direct scripture to back up. Therefore you then add to what is written, the bible forbids that. I have provided the scripture that proves my belief correct

No you have not provided Scripture that shows your belief is correct. I have kept showing the context which refutes any passage you bring up; And you also have not explained any of the passages I have brought forth that defends the Biblical view of Conditional Salvation, either.


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There is simply no point in putting huge swathes of scripture up to try and support a view you have no direct scripture to back up. Therefore you then add to what is written, the bible forbids that. I have provided the scripture that proves my belief correct

I put up Scripture verses for you to explain them.


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